Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams in Spam, Scam and Phishbusters http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r13347266 en Tue, 08 Dec 2009 20:01:15 EDT Tue, 08 Dec 2009 20:01:15 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14049023 i386 : This is like that "MAKE $500 TO READ AN E-MAIL!!!" scam.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14049023 Wed, 03 Aug 2005 13:52:21 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14048994 i386 : One day, he has 180 "audits" to do. Next day, he has 300 "audits" to do.

Scam. Just like Netbux. Notice how it's down now (pay-pup2.com)?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14048994 Wed, 03 Aug 2005 13:48:45 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14045989 pstation : »free.hostultra.com/~windozeuser/romn125.html - interesting convo with the owner of paypup...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14045989 Wed, 03 Aug 2005 01:26:53 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13926400 removed :
said by i386 See Profile:

Not to mention, wasn't the referral system illegal?
How so?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13926400 Mon, 18 Jul 2005 23:01:38 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13923984 i386 : I think some pictures of Chad French are here (not that it matters):
url removed
That is his personal site.

mod note: I took a look; even though someone else had previously said this was a Chad French site, there is no evidence linking him to this site. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13923984 Mon, 18 Jul 2005 18:11:59 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13874951 i386 : Not to mention, wasn't the referral system illegal?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13874951 Tue, 12 Jul 2005 18:04:32 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13857158 anon : Heh, bloodyhell.... I never thought of getting a job. :o]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13857158 Sun, 10 Jul 2005 14:50:30 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13855180 i386 : If you want money, look into getting a job that pays some money every hour. It's better than sitting at your computer all day doing searches or clicking links.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13855180 Sun, 10 Jul 2005 05:45:36 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13855053 removed :
said by securitysam:

why dont I listen when people say scam?
Greed. Everyone wants to make some easy money. Unfortunately, sometimes the deal is so good that one ignores the little voice(s) that say(s) "don't do this, you idiot. It's a scam."

This is - unfortunately - why so many get burned by 419 scams. (and, well, other scams)
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did not even have 1 payout with them and i bought like 10 referals.
why dont I listen when people say scam?
because of all the other morons shouting this is great I been paid once, now im gonna buy a shit loada refs and then they bugger off.
If you got deceived, submit full details of the Web Site details information with your e-payment confirmation and file a complaint email to the followings to alert the relevant authorities of the Internet Fraud:
1. Internet Fraud Coordinator: ifcc.tp@fbi.gov.
2. International Web Police: Director@Web-Police.org.
3. ISP Provider; abuse@........ (refer to Step One, search the abuse email contact of ISP Provider /and IP Address belongs to…and complaint of web site Network abuse).
4. Locate authority (refer to web Registrant station address, search on Internet to locate of country authority; such as “address/state police” or “(country) government authority”.
5. E-gold Service & CC to Web Site Owner.

The Authority information sites for 1, 2 & 3 are:
»www.web-police.org/
»www.ifccfbi.gov/
»www.scamwatch.com/
»www.fraud.org/

hope that helps guys, make sure everyone reports these jerk offs:D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13855043 Sun, 10 Jul 2005 04:37:19 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13840701 i386 : From the looks of it here, it looks like Chad P. French (the owner of Netbux) also owns Midifox Hosting.

Jordan Anders = Owner of Midifox Hosting = Owner of Pay-Pup = Chad P. French

Be sure to avoid these guys, there's enough evidence here!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13840701 Fri, 08 Jul 2005 07:07:43 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13826486 i386 : I think I've found some more e-mails to contact Chad French at. It looks like he may have 2 Gmail accounts.

chadfrench@gmail.com
chad.french@gmail.com]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13826486 Wed, 06 Jul 2005 15:25:42 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13814597 i386 : I am assuming this "church" ("Anchor Christian Fellowship of Lake Butler" aka "ACFLB") is fake, just here to play with our minds. Anyone know more about this "church" that Chad P. French has?

I have a little more information about him that I can give. He is a 20-year-old residing in Lake Butler, FL. On "MyNetbux," they are planning a lawsuit and already have a lawyer.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13814597 Tue, 05 Jul 2005 00:44:59 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13802278 i386 : Pay-Pup now has "new ownership". I think it is Jordan Anders (from Midifox Hosting), just changing his name.

Jordan is a *HUGE* scammer. I would advise caution to anyone thinking about using his hosting company (Midifox).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13802278 Sun, 03 Jul 2005 00:52:49 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13708312 i386 : Anyway, chadf has been banned from the mynetbux site, which they linked to.

Good for him, he's a scammer. Also his 'church' is 'temporarily unavailable', acflb.org.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13708312 Tue, 21 Jun 2005 03:40:49 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13667399 i386 : Anyone know where to get free background checks?

Chad French
Lake Butler, FL 32054]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13667399 Wed, 15 Jun 2005 20:25:46 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13661958 ltrouse : I’m not sure about the Chad and Tiffany thing, but I think the reason they are based in Florida is due to our property laws. If a person gets sued there are a lot of assets that can’t be touched. That’s why OJ moved here.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13661958 Wed, 15 Jun 2005 08:20:28 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13657075 etoast66 : Why do all of these scams have a Chad, a Tiffany and are based in Florida? See »Antispamcard.com Information Collection]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13657075 Tue, 14 Jun 2005 17:08:01 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13655665 i386 : Translation:

I, along with others who maintain Netbux decided to discontinue the service for several re
 *asons.
 
First off, if you ever purchased referrals, you should be able to get your money back by f
 *iling a claim through PayPal or StormPay. Both of the accounts are frozen so we cannot gen
 *erate a refund for you. However, I've noticed that a few have contacted StormPay and they 
 *have stated that there are no funds in the Netbux StormPay account. This is not true becau
 *se before it was suspended/frozen, there were thousands. I haven't been able to withdrawal
 * any funds in weeks because you cannot withdrawal funds if you have a dispute on your acco
 *unt from someone who purchased from you. And there was always at least one dispute on the 
 *account at all times. Honestly, I believe they froze the account because of way too many d
 *isputes and they probably didn't want to keep up with the referral payments that the accou
 *nt was earning (which was over 15,000 referrals).
 
My phone is set to "do not disturb" until I am able to get it changed. If you call, it for
 *wards to voicemail and then your message is erased at the end of the day without even list
 *ening to it. I'm sorry that I cannot talk with you, but I am simply way too busy with othe
 *r internet projects.
 
The few days before I put up the "under construction" notice, the server was not under ano
 *ther dos attack like some of you may be thinking. It was actually overloaded with real req
 *uests. Simply put, Netbux got too popular, too fast. Because I am a scammer and don't want
 * to be caught, I cannot continue this service. And I had just made a deal with the host ab
 *out adding another server with some load balancing hardware but I was inadvertently screwe
 *d by them as well.
 
Netbux.org now forwards to Searchoodles.com until I can figure out what to do with it. Re-
 *make a new netbux with new visions and a better structure? No, I don't think so. I think I
 * will build on the idea of combining the big search engines out there into some sort of se
 *rvice that people may find to be helpful.
 
If you think that I've benefited from this whole program at all, you're wrong. 2% of the f
 *unds earned through Netbux were either frozen through PayPal (over $30,000) because we are
 * scammers or StormPay (over $10,000) or they were paid out to the members who were lucky e
 *nough to get a payment throughout all the ongoing chaos we were under.
 
If you look at the bright side, Netbux sparked a new revolution of earning money online. W
 *ith all the new services like Netbux that have sprouted and all the new services that deri
 *ved from a similar Netbux structure all seem to have promise.
 
Also, let's be honest... This fine community (gptresources.com) wouldn't be thriving like 
 *it is without Netbux in the first place.
 
If you have some ideas for searchoodles.com and possibly what it can be turned into, e-mai
 *l contact@searchoodles.com and I will be happy to exchange thoughts.

(*) WARNING 9 long line(s) split
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13655665 Tue, 14 Jun 2005 14:13:56 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13652502 pstation :
quote:
I, along with others who maintain Netbux decided to discontinue the service for several reasons.

First off, if you ever purchased referrals, you should be able to get your money back by filing a claim through PayPal or StormPay. Both of the accounts are frozen so we cannot generate a refund for you. However, I've noticed that a few have contacted StormPay and they have stated that there are no funds in the Netbux StormPay account. This is not true because before it was suspended/frozen, there were thousands. I haven't been able to withdrawal any funds in weeks because you cannot withdrawal funds if you have a dispute on your account from someone who purchased from you. And there was always at least one dispute on the account at all times. Honestly, I believe they froze the account because of way too many disputes and they probably didn't want to keep up with the referral payments that the account was earning (which was over 15,000 referrals).

My phone is set to "do not disturb" until I am able to get it changed. If you call, it forwards to voicemail and then your message is erased at the end of the day without even listening to it. I'm sorry that I cannot talk with you, but I am simply way too busy with other internet projects.

The few days before I put up the "under construction" notice, the server was not under another dos attack like some of you may be thinking. It was actually overloaded with real requests. Simply put, Netbux got too popular, too fast. And I had just made a deal with the host about adding another server with some load balancing hardware but I was inadvertently screwed by them as well.

Netbux.org now forwards to Searchoodles.com until I can figure out what to do with it. Re-make a new netbux with new visions and a better structure? No, I don't think so. I think I will build on the idea of combining the big search engines out there into some sort of service that people may find to be helpful.

If you think that I've benefited from this whole program at all, you're wrong. 95% of the funds earned through Netbux were either frozen through PayPal (over $30,000) or StormPay (over $10,000) or they were paid out to the members who were lucky enough to get a payment throughout all the ongoing chaos we were under.

If you look at the bright side, Netbux sparked a new revolution of earning money online. With all the new services like Netbux that have sprouted and all the new services that derived from a similar Netbux structure all seem to have promise.

Also, let's be honest... This fine community (gptresources.com) wouldn't be thriving like it is without Netbux in the first place.

If you have some ideas for searchoodles.com and possibly what it can be turned into, e-mail contact@searchoodles.com and I will be happy to exchange thoughts.


owner of netbux posted that...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13652502 Tue, 14 Jun 2005 01:50:56 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13652141 removed : Here's the address:
5122 Sw 47th Loop
Lake Butler, FL 32054

And his PO Box:
Route 3 Box 1550
Lake Butler, FL 32054

Here's the phone numbers:
386-496-9693
386-867-0711

Note to the mods: All of this info was acquired using public sources. Please do not delete.
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Chad P French and Tiffany L French

Chad P French owns all rights over the netbux scripts, that are used by netbux, search-pay, pay-pup, pay-pup2, ibux,
and moneyjet

addresses
removed

phone numbers
removed

domains owned by Chad P French Officially
usellco.com
acflb.org
kyrotek.com
netbux.org
xull.org
kinx.org
searchoodles.com

domains that dont admit there owned by Chad P French (NO WHOIS INFO MEANS THEY WILL SCAM YOU TOO) SAME SCRIPT = SAME GUY

search-pay.com
moneyjet.net
pay-pup.com
pay-pup2.com
ibux.net
Lapiter.com

and finally email addresses to contact him at
chad@acflb.org
request@usellco.com
support@usellco.com
contact@kyrotek.com
admin@netbux.org

There are more find them yourself

and Dont get scamed again by him

Chad saying no more netbux
»www.gptresources.com/showthread.php?t=7525

Mod edit: The addresses and phone numbers were removed since there isn't any public sources listed. Republishing information already public is OK, but not without verified sources.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13651393 Mon, 13 Jun 2005 22:36:37 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13650539 i386 : Netbux now redirects to another site, searchoodles.com.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13650539 Mon, 13 Jun 2005 20:49:06 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13627246 pstation : Someone that bought unreferred users via stormpay received this message when attempting to file a claim:

quote:
Closed by StormPay
10 Jun 2005 10:56 Hello Netbux Investors:

On behalf of StormPay, Inc., I wish to bring you up to date on our efforts to communicate with Mr. Chad French in regard to his recent transaction with you. We have directed multiple e-mail and telephone communications to Mr. French in order to ascertain the specific facts and circumstances as to why his website is no longer available and why he has failed and refused to communicate with us and you regarding the pending claim you have asserted against him. Obviously, without any recent or direct communication with Mr. French it is impossible to determine what his future intent is in regard to following through with the commitments he has made to you.

Your request to be reimbursed has been forwarded to our Risk Management team for review. If fraudulent activity is found Mr. French will be sanctioned and suspended from transacting any further business through StormPay. Unfortunately, at this time there are no funds available within Mr. French’s StormPay account to pay out to you on your claim. He has long since withdrawn the funds that were being held in his StormPay account.

If any funds are recovered from Mr. French, your StormPay account will be reimbursed. Rest assured that we are doing everything within our powers to recover these funds including contacting the authorities if necessary.
We regret these circumstances but urge you not to allow this situation to deter you in your future on-line transacting. We strive to make StormPay the safest and securest on-line payment processing system available. If we are successful in recovering funds we will make direct contact with you.

As with programs of this type, as the buyer you must carefully consider the statements and representations of the merchant before investing. You must determine what is a promise or guarantee as opposed to what is an anticipated result given a certain set of variable facts and circumstances. You must determine how reasonable and likely those anticipated results are before you determine to spend your money.

With all that being said, we truly regret these circumstances and will keep you advised on developments as they occur. Of course, we still hold out hope that Mr. French will soon get his site back up and running and make good on the promises and representations he has made. For these reasons we will have to close your claim at this time.


The funny thing is that some people still don't think it's a scam in spite of this.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13627246 Fri, 10 Jun 2005 16:27:38 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13619598 i386 : Netbux has an 'under construction' page. Kyrotek Media doesn't have the PC page anymore -- it's now a link to netbux again.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13619598 Thu, 09 Jun 2005 18:11:17 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13619562 removed :
said by danj3ris See Profile:

Hey Removed, Its my understanding you are already a member. Why dont you give out your link? Good luck to you fellow Netbux member!:p
It's your understanding? Please. You make it sound like you had to ask people or do research. The third reply to this thread was me telling everyone about my netbux experience.

I thought it was at least worth looking at, but then that ass clown bought my account and decided to harass me.
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quote:
C'mon Karl, a mental illness?


Yes. Look at you here, trying to justify being swindled by another MLM to a bunch of strangers.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13615945 Thu, 09 Jun 2005 09:09:32 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13615396 danj3ris : C'mon Karl, a mental illness? To repeatedly get conned? That sounds more like someone with a great deal of trust in the human race (something you seem to lack) whose actions eventually reveal bad judgement. And then you speak as if "we" will eventually return to say you were right, like "we","they","them" are some kind of mindless hoard of hell-bent zombies who want nothing more than to make money with minimal effort. Im not a Zombie, I have no mental illness. I know this sounds like a crazy idea, but what is the point of having money if you dont use it? I just happen to take risks with my money. Some risks have payed off, some have not.

Again it seems that a majority of the people on this thread are so focused on labeling something a scam that the second there is the slightest sign of trouble, you all jump at it like its gold. The fact is, people who put some effort into these risks do not "Jump" headfirst into what they know can turn out bad.

In my first post I said I could give a rat's posterior about what you all think. Well why should I when everyone has a biased view on the matter? NETbux is a scam before and after people get money for doing exactly what the website said one should do to get money.

And because I know that someone providing proof of payment does little to sway your opinion on whether Netbux is a scam or not, I suggest you find your own proof. I'd give you my referral link to get you started but of course my post would be deleted.

Hey Removed, Its my understanding you are already a member. Why dont you give out your link? Good luck to you fellow Netbux member!:p ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13615396 Thu, 09 Jun 2005 06:01:27 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13605156 i386 : ah.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13605156 Wed, 08 Jun 2005 01:35:08 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13605111 removed : You'd have to look everywhere. They may be in Florida, but they don't have to be registered there to be incorporated. Delaware and Nevada are some of the more popular places since it's easier/cheaper in those areas.
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With more than fifteen years experience in the computer technical field the
people at Kyrotek are devoted to building value not only for our customers, but
also for the communities that our company and our employees call home. We will
work with you to fabricate that ideal PC to fit your everyday needs and desires
with complete warranties, while keeping the cost down to sometimes 50% of
mainstream competition. 
 
Kyrotek also specializes in computer upgrading, on-site local repairs, on-site
network setup, on-site computer/software training & much more. Let Kyrotek be
your personal gateway into the world of technology. 
 
Kyrotek – Your Technical Solution. Located in Lake City, Florida. On-site service
is welcome to all Central Florida, North Florida and South Georgia residents!
Computer fabrication, repairs and sales are available to anyone in the United
States.

But yet, "Kyrotek" is not even a real registered company. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13604653 Wed, 08 Jun 2005 00:11:43 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13601716 i386 : Yup.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13601716 Tue, 07 Jun 2005 18:56:22 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13601707 removed : I'd say so..]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13601707 Tue, 07 Jun 2005 18:55:36 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13601106 i386 :
said by removed:
I wonder how »www.midifox.com/ has close to 100 customers if they haven't even opened yet.

It's looking like midifox is being run off of a reseller account.


I questioned the guy who made that claim (mrcore). Let's see what he responds with. I wonder if he's going to just come up with some BS?
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Translated using Babelfish for those who are interested:

The new script of automatic research for Netbux, Pay-pup, Search-Pay, ibux, Money-Jet and even Clickz2Cash is on line with the following address: "netbux-paypup.ift.fr "research-automatique.c.la + explanations for used scripts!! It passes even the new protection system of netbux! A site to be seen urgently

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http://www.jasons-toolbox.com/
http://www.PCQandA.com/
http://www.urateit.com/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13600051 Tue, 07 Jun 2005 15:29:08 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13599264 i386 : oh... and, Netbux is back up. So it didn't really go down.
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http://www.jasons-toolbox.com/
http://www.PCQandA.com/
http://www.urateit.com/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13598452 Tue, 07 Jun 2005 12:24:47 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13598142 Karl Bode :
quote:
It seems like they're starting now.


It really is a type of mental illness I think. Not entirely unlike those old ladies who buy everything they see on the home shopping networks and wind up with an apartment stuffed with light up Santas still in the boxes....

It's a mental disease to repeatedly get conned into thinking that you can make money for doing essentially nothing. Then there's a nice heaping teaspoon of denial on top....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13598142 Tue, 07 Jun 2005 11:48:16 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13596310 pstation :
said by i386 See Profile:

It seems like they're starting now.
yep..it never fails. amazing how people think that just because a few people claim to have been paid that its totally 100% legit.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13596310 Tue, 07 Jun 2005 04:37:18 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13595670 i386 :
said by pstation:
no worries, I'm sure they'll be back to defend netbux, and spam links for whatever the next scam they get suckered into isp


said by Isaea:
I had this re-directed for a little referral catching I was doing.. anyways i've talked to a few people on IRC that have gotten paid etc etc.. The below link is a screenshot hosted at www.imageshack.us re-directed by www.cjb.net , enjoy and please stop hating on netbux!

»pts-proof.cjb.net

Regards, Isaea


It seems like they're starting now.
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»pts-proof.cjb.net

Regards, Isaea]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13595650 Tue, 07 Jun 2005 01:31:39 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13592006 pstation :
said by Karl Bode See Profile:

I'm sure our friends will be here shortly to admit they were wrong and that there's no such thing as easy money.
no worries, I'm sure they'll be back to defend netbux, and spam links for whatever the next scam they get suckered into is]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13592006 Mon, 06 Jun 2005 16:32:25 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13591632 Mordy : No wait...that can't be true...didn't they pay out billyuns and billyuns? I am so disappointed and surprised at this unexpected turn of events.

/sarcasm
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I'm sure our friends will be here shortly to admit they were wrong and that there's no such thing as easy money.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13589632 Mon, 06 Jun 2005 12:12:01 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13589620 pstation : Looks like the inevitable has finally happened. Site has not been working for 6 days, many users haven't been paid and not a word from the owner of this site in over a week now. I'm sure many that have bought advertising and "unreferred" users have been burned from this scam.

edit: fixed typo]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13589620 Mon, 06 Jun 2005 12:10:13 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13566103 Jason Levine : All I meant by an "honest" MLM was one that actually paid its members what they are owed based on the rules of the MLM. This would be in contrast to members being owed money and the money not being paid out. (The quotes around the word honest were to indicate that even MLM that I was calling "honest" aren't legitimate.)

As far as your other points:

said by danj3ris See Profile:

A. It's too easy to be bored on the net, and getting payed to search a random term on a search engine is way too easy a way to get money. You think it's too hard? Open a dictionary to any page.
It is quite easy to search. It's just a matter of whether those searches will really turn into cash for the searchers.

said by danj3ris See Profile:

B. Advertisers must love the idea. Every 15 seconds or so the same person will see another 2 or 3 advertisements blinking with bells and whistles in their faces. But every second there's a hell of alot of people seeing the advertisement. That's a colassal amount of exposure. Plus with the unblockable pop-ups and spyware that each search throws at you??:p
Actually, advertisers love the idea of a person clicking on their ad. They wouldn't like someone whose sole purpose is to search who isn't paying attention to the ad. Most ad companies pay on a Per Click basis versus a Per View basis. So if you let 10 ads load up but you don't click any, then NetBux wouldn't be paid anything.

said by danj3ris See Profile:

C. With the amount of money NETBUX is raking in through people "buying" other members, and advertisers wanting their ads to be seen by everyone(that it has caused NETBUX to place links on their homepage, along with increase the number of banners viewed from a single search, and implement those HORRID unblockable pop-ups and unders), every member is confident that they make enough money to pay someone 80 cents a day, plus the 80 cents from their referral(s).
Ads don't "rake in" much money at all. Netbuxscam.com reveals that NetBux is selling ads at a rate of $29 for 75,000 impressions, or $0.0003 per search. So if you were to view five ads per search and make one search every 15 seconds (giving time for each page to load) for eight straight hours, NetBux would earn $0.58. That's much less than the 80 cents per day that they would be paying you.

said by danj3ris See Profile:

D. The fact that there is only one level of referral earnings, is so delightfully simple. None of this 3rd, 4th, 5th level crap which right from the get-go makes you feel like a miniscule turd in space. And you can make back the money you spent "buying" a referral in four 20 minute sessions, of Boredome.
The question is twofold though. First of all, will you actually get paid by NetBux. Secondly, will NetBux be able to earn enough via ads to keep running and making payouts. The answer to #1 is a bit fuzzy at the moment, but based on their past behavior (wiping out referral links when new users signed up, removing their forums to keep members from talking to one another, violating Google's AdSense policies, etc) I wouldn't trust them. As for #2, the math just doesn't ad up.

If you're already in the MLM, you can either a) cut your losses and run now, or b) keep at it and hope that you're high enough in the pyramid to get paid before the whole thing collapses (and that NetBux will actually send out payments that it owes its members).

said by danj3ris See Profile:

E. You do not have to spend money to get payed. You can do all the searching by yourself. It will take you over two months to see any money however. And because we all know people want money sooner than later, they'll pay. But this one fact that you can start with 0$ and not spend anything to earn profit is extremely enticing.
They won't pay simply because people will want money sooner than later. They can also run this scam for a few months, get as much money from people/advertisers as they can, and then disappear. Then they just lie low for a few months until the NetBux uproar calms down before opening their next scam. You'd be surprised how many of the people who got scammed by NetBux would come back to participate in the next scheme.

said by danj3ris See Profile:

If the owners of NetBux ran with the money right now, they'd be filthy rich.
And you wouldn't get paid anything. So all that searching would be for nothing.

said by danj3ris See Profile:

As it looks, the "scheme" is so mind-bogglingly simple that it will no doubt make the owners money.
Simple doesn't always equal profitable. Pyramid schemes are often simple. Here's one off the top of my head. You pay $5 to join the "BBR Profit Club." You then need to sign up five people (each paying $5). They, in turn, sign up 5 people each. You get paid $500 and you're out of the club (but can sign back in at any time).

Sounds so simple and it's a quick way to turn $5 into $500, right? Well, the problem is that more and more people will be required to pay off the members. In fact, after only 14 iterations, the number of people required will exceed the population of the earth.

said by danj3ris See Profile:

Im no fanboy, Im simply stating why Im having trouble seeing this as a scam. Of course Im still waiting to get paid.
It's a scam because it is a MLM scheme. Every MLM scheme is a scam. It's just a matter of when it collapses, how many people get suckered in, and how many people get in early enough to get paid.
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A. It's too easy to be bored on the net, and getting payed to search a random term on a search engine is way too easy a way to get money. You think it's too hard? Open a dictionary to any page.

B. Advertisers must love the idea. Every 15 seconds or so the same person will see another 2 or 3 advertisements blinking with bells and whistles in their faces. But every second there's a hell of alot of people seeing the advertisement. That's a colassal amount of exposure. Plus with the unblockable pop-ups and spyware that each search throws at you??:p

C. With the amount of money NETBUX is raking in through people "buying" other members, and advertisers wanting their ads to be seen by everyone(that it has caused NETBUX to place links on their homepage, along with increase the number of banners viewed from a single search, and implement those HORRID unblockable pop-ups and unders), every member is confident that they make enough money to pay someone 80 cents a day, plus the 80 cents from their referral(s).

D. The fact that there is only one level of referral earnings, is so delightfully simple. None of this 3rd, 4th, 5th level crap which right from the get-go makes you feel like a miniscule turd in space. And you can make back the money you spent "buying" a referral in four 20 minute sessions, of Boredome.

E. You do not have to spend money to get payed. You can do all the searching by yourself. It will take you over two months to see any money however. And because we all know people want money sooner than later, they'll pay. But this one fact that you can start with 0$ and not spend anything to earn profit is extremely enticing.

If the owners of NetBux ran with the money right now, they'd be filthy rich. As it looks, the "scheme" is so mind-bogglingly simple that it will no doubt make the owners money. What can they do to have even more money come in? Charge more for referals. Charge advertisers more. Make advertisers bid for timeslots. Throw a stupid "win a car" drawing. They're on top of the world right now.

Im no fanboy, Im simply stating why Im having trouble seeing this as a scam. Of course Im still waiting to get paid.

Jason, Im interested in your mentioning of "honest" MLM businesses. Any examples and what makes them different from NETBUX type deals?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13565488 Fri, 03 Jun 2005 05:40:56 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13558185 Jason Levine :
said by danj3ris See Profile:

Another question, if a company says they will pay you to search, and then you search, but then dont get paid, were you scammed? Or did you put your trust in a failed company?
If the company isn't paying anyone (meaning it's not just a payment glitch) or isn't paying most people (meaning they pay a few people to seed the Internet with "I got paid" stories) then yes you did.

said by danj3ris See Profile:

I signed up for NetBux, even "bought" a couple referrals. I know that just by doing that Im already starting with negative profit. I even emailed all my referrals a simple message along the lines of "Hi. I bought you. Lets see if this thing works. I'll show you all the proof if it ever comes." Someone else on this forum signed up and then got a similar email, but didnt take to it too kindly.
Let me get this straight, you pay NetBux to get a list of e-mail addresses. Then you e-mail those people to tell them about the site? You're spamming. What a great racket. They not only don't have to pay for their spam, but they get PAID by people to spam for them. Don't be surprised if people you e-mailed don't like getting NetBux spam from you.

said by danj3ris See Profile:

And the people who got paid by Netbux, they're blowing the largest chunks aren't they?
Some people always get paid in Multi-Level Marketing (MLM) schemes. The problem is, most people don't. Under a MLM scheme, you are required to get a certain number of people to buy something before you get paid. Then, those people are each required to get that number of people to buy something before they get paid.

Let's suppose that the "certain number" is five. So John signs up, pays an enrollment fee (some of which is used to pay the members above him in the pyramid) and is promised that he'll get paid if he signs up five people. Fine, he manages to do that. Now those five people need to collectively sign up 25 people. And those 25 people need to collectively sign up 125 people.

Fourteen iterations later, the 1,220,703,125 unpaid members need to sign up 6,103,515,625 members to get paid. Only problem is, there aren't enough people in the world to do this. So Ned, who signed up on the 14th iteration, isn't paid. (Of course, chances are, the scheme would collapse a few iterations earlier.)

You guys are so eager to point out scams that even if someone takes the time showing you that they got paid, its automatically a "Doctored image", its a fake, or "thats only one person, how about the rest?" Who cares about the rest?? Is every paid Netbux user going to show you, Mr. Skeptic, their check? Their Stormpay balance?
Scams can still pay some people. See the above example. John got paid. Yet, Ned wouldn't be. The above example had 305,175,781 people getting paid but 1,220,703,125 not getting paid. So only 20% of the people would have been paid.

You can fiddle with the numbers to change how many iterations the MLM scheme runs before it collapses (require only 3 referrals instead of 5), but it'll still collapse (22nd iteration for 3 referrals).

If and when I do get paid, no one here will care. I could give a rat's (posterior) about what you think.
If you've gotten into the scheme early enough then you might just get paid. Assuming that NetBux is running an "honest" MLM and not looking to cheat people out of payments that are owed to them by the rules of the MLM scheme. From some of the descriptions of their behaviors, I wouldn't trust them to run an "honest" MLM.

But just remember that your getting paid doesn't make it "not a scam" because for every person who was paid, 5 more might not be paid.

For more information on MLM schemes and why they can't succeed, read: »skepdic.com/mlm.html
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I’m thinking that this Netbux thing is similar. What’s five dollars? Not much, but when you are getting it from thousands, maybe tens of thousands of people it adds up. The scammers also gain comfort knowing that law enforcement isn’t going to jump through too many hoops because a citizen complained about getting ripped off for five dollars.
They could keep this going forever as long as they don’t get greedy and stupid. Just keep moving around, changing the name regularly and pay enough people to make it seem legitimate.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13549989 Wed, 01 Jun 2005 14:04:49 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13549018 Karl Bode :
quote:
If and when I do get paid, no one here will care. I could give a rat's (posterior) about what you think.


Then why are you posting? You should be hard at work being suckered.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13549018 Wed, 01 Jun 2005 12:13:06 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13548575 removed :
said by danj3ris See Profile:

If and when I do get paid, no one here will care.
You said it best.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13548575 Wed, 01 Jun 2005 11:23:48 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13547044 danj3ris : Quick question, if a company says they will pay you to search, and then you search, and then get paid, was it a scam? Hmmmm.

Another question, if a company says they will pay you to search, and then you search, but then dont get paid, were you scammed? Or did you put your trust in a failed company?

I signed up for NetBux, even "bought" a couple referrals. I know that just by doing that Im already starting with negative profit. I even emailed all my referrals a simple message along the lines of "Hi. I bought you. Lets see if this thing works. I'll show you all the proof if it ever comes." Someone else on this forum signed up and then got a similar email, but didnt take to it too kindly. I believe he said "These Netbux guys blow chunks." I like that. You sign up for a (possible small income), label it a scam probably before you put any effort into it, than mouth off someone else who actually makes contact with you who has put in at least That amount of effort. I guess I blow chunks too. And the people who got paid by Netbux, they're blowing the largest chunks aren't they?

You guys are so eager to point out scams that even if someone takes the time showing you that they got paid, its automatically a "Doctored image", its a fake, or "thats only one person, how about the rest?" Who cares about the rest?? Is every paid Netbux user going to show you, Mr. Skeptic, their check? Their Stormpay balance?

If and when I do get paid, no one here will care. I could give a rat's (posterior) about what you think. I dont have to prove nothing. I'll just be happy with 1 or more small wads of cash I earned by sitting on my (tush) for 30 minutes a day, typing any random word that comes to my mind.

And then I'll blow some chunks with myself.:D ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13547044 Wed, 01 Jun 2005 07:05:37 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13546492 removed : I wonder how »www.midifox.com/ has close to 100 customers if they haven't even opened yet.

It's looking like midifox is being run off of a reseller account.
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said by chplaptops.com:
Jordan is also the owner of Pay-pup so you can imagine how much work that alone is but pile on to it a fiancee, young child, a full time job, running a hosting company with close to 100 customers, and then doing the bulk of the PHP coding on this site and you can get an idea of how thin he is spread.


Look what's on that 'chplaptops' site. I keep checking just to hope their site is on 'debut' again. "Jordan is also the owner of Pay-pup". Pay-Pup aka Netbux. They're referring to 'jordan from midifox hosting'. Wasn't that netbux/paypup's first host, per REGEXP(netbux|paypup)scam.com?

- i386
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Now I have an incredible problem... My antivirus keeps saying I have a Trojan Virus, that I have a healed more than 10 times and POP UPS are non stop... AD WARE can't even stop it. :huh:

Has this happened to anyone? How can I take this out of my system?

Have a nice day!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13540608 Tue, 31 May 2005 14:01:35 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13537664 anon : »mynetbux.com/showthread.php?t=4105]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13537664 Tue, 31 May 2005 02:02:59 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13536773 pstation : Those screen shots don't proove much of any thing, many scams and schemes such as this started out paying initially before collapsing. The pure economics of it just simply don't add up, advertising pays no where near the $.04 they are promising to give out.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13536773 Mon, 30 May 2005 23:12:52 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13535841 salahx : The big problem with these kinds of referral/affiliate schemes is it encourages spam. Thus we all wind up with even MORE advertisements in our e-mail, boards, or anywhere else they can think of to add another "referral", while the ones at the core of the scheme can claim "plausible deniability" from their out-of-control affiliates, point to their ToS against spam (which is just a thinly-veiled reason to withhold payment.)

If there were a DMCA equivalent to CAN SPAM, their activities would be "vicarious infringement" - they make money off the spamming of others. There probably SHOULD be a law again "contributory" and "vicarious" spamming (although given the effectiveness of the current one, it wouldn't mean much).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13535841 Mon, 30 May 2005 21:00:41 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13534071 Karl Bode :
quote:
get jobs


Worth repeating.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13534071 Mon, 30 May 2005 16:41:11 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13532219 anon : Nice try Netbux shills! MLM schemes are and always will be scams except for the very few at the top. Get over it and get jobs those who keep shilling this posts with their lies. SCAM = SCAM = SCAM]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13532219 Mon, 30 May 2005 12:11:01 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13526583 Falcon15 : I just came across netbux, and I can't tell whether or not it's a scam. So far, I've heard mixed reviews, but it doesn't seem like i'de have anything to loose if I signed up for it. I havn't heard enough success stories to be convinced yet though. If anyone has any success stories, I'de suggest posting them. Just a thought.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13526583 Sun, 29 May 2005 16:35:04 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13476458 i386 :
said by Superman124:
»pts-proof.cjb.net

Enjoy, from netbux.. to stormpay.


It's bullshit. How would Netbux pay $489.96 (or something) to someone for doing searches? It looks faked. It'd take off a long time to get paid that much.

(To see that total bullshit, and not see the CJB thing: »img268.echo.cx/img268/2654/proof···t6sx.jpg)

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Enjoy, from netbux.. to stormpay.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13471309 Sun, 22 May 2005 23:18:45 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13469672 i386 : Don't use that ref link, use this:

»www.ibux.net/?r=NOREFERRAL_STUPID_SPAMMERS
[That's an invalid referral link. Might work, but nobody gets credited]

I just did a hey mod on your message. (I think I did it on his last message, too)

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It says now, that ppl will be payed depending on how much money the advertisers pay. It makes more sense...

Yet, I am subcribed.. I have nothing to lose, i didnt buy anything from there, and have referrals (friends that joined). I do a lot of searches on net, I dont mind doing it through Netbux, until i reach 75$ (u only get paid when reaching $75 now), and see if im going to see any money.

I have seen screenshot of ppl that have received money from PayPal, and have friends that said it worked for them (but I have not seen it).

If i dont get paid, ill just stop using it, I am happy i didnt waste money or time.

(Taj Mahal Scripts dont works anymore... maybe Netbux.org has found it... ?)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13456214 Fri, 20 May 2005 17:47:32 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13446784 i386 : what an idiot! I think I'm going to go give that number a call right now...
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»www.talkgold.com/forum/r14155-.html
»www.talkgold.com/forum/r14132-.html
(xull and chadf are the same person)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13446742 Thu, 19 May 2005 15:15:15 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13446358 Mordy : Here is what I think has happened: A few people may have been paid (to give the appearance of legitimacy) and to allow the word to spread, but now that victims are starting to bite en mass, the money has stopped flowing out (except perhaps to those who are working as shills to lure victims). The scammers are changing the rules on a regular basis to keep as many people on the hook for as long as possible without paying anything out.

IMO - Those that are just clicking, you will not get any money. Those that have paid for referrals - you gave money to scammers, and you will not see any money back.
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quote:
well we are all still waiting to see if it is a scam or not..


I'll save you some time: it is.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13445135 Thu, 19 May 2005 11:36:24 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13445061 anon : well we are all still waiting to see if it is a scam or not.. the die hards still do their searches but everyone else has prettymuch stopped.. and I know alot of people have filed claims with paypal to get their money that they paid for referrals.. myself included.

I bought 100 refs.. 24 days ago that were never added to my account.
I'll be getting that money back in 7 more days.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13445061 Thu, 19 May 2005 11:27:25 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13442975 removed : I guess your boy Aaron hasn't been paid either. Go figure.

He wasted $1 on my stupid account.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13442975 Thu, 19 May 2005 01:12:37 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13442967 anon : Hey guys.. I saw that some people have been coming to my site from this thread so i decided to stop by and take a look.

I was suprised to find a discussion on whether or not I owned netbux.. or if arron and I were the same person...
My name is Tim Core (aka tiggz, aka mrcore) and I have nothing to do with netbux other than being an upset member. (haven't been payed yet)
CHPLaptops.com is going to be a site a lot like ezlaptop.com but it will work. We are going to be backed not only by membership fees but advertising and PTC/PTS Programs as well.. so we will have enough money to buy the laptops and make a profit.
There are 3 founders... Me, Aaron, and a guy named Mihai
once we get our site up and running ( we're having a lot of issues with our codes and we want everything to work before we open for members)

If you have anyother questions please visit our forums
»www.chplaptops.com/forums]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13442967 Thu, 19 May 2005 01:10:21 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13442365 anon : Sorry about that,misread the forum.

Anyway, I am glad I found this,I will share it with my friends.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13442365 Wed, 18 May 2005 23:22:39 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13442351 anon : The guy above is probably working for them.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13442351 Wed, 18 May 2005 23:20:47 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13441965 i386 : Okay, it's a scam. Their owners do not reply. I e-mailed quite a few days ago if not weeks. I was going to interview the founders, and post it here to see what they must do in defense of this site.
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Best regards, Eddie]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13441965 Wed, 18 May 2005 22:30:29 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13441937 i386 :
said by AdrianaLisa:
How come 6 of my buddies got payed =p. twice =p. I saw cheque too so I have no comment.


Prove it. It'll be a scam until someone proves it. And I have no proof of it yet (and all the rest of the community). So it's a scam.
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Best regards, Eddie]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13441937 Wed, 18 May 2005 22:27:31 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13441928 anon : How come 6 of my buddies got payed =p. twice =p. I saw cheque too so I have no comment. My eyes wont lie :D. One of em jus got 86 bux thats the highest but hey. Even though they dont invest and nor do I.. its still a good way to get good cash. In terms of business plan.. You guys might just be out of date =p]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13441928 Wed, 18 May 2005 22:26:27 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13440459 Kip patterson : Us old guys know about Snipe hunts. All it takes is as many burlap bags as you have suckers.

Once you've been on one Snipe hunt, you won't fall for scams like this.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13440459 Wed, 18 May 2005 19:20:33 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13440434 pstation : Heh, seems that the 15th, they day they were supposed to get paid has gone by, but yet not one person has been paid and the owner is no where to be found, why am i not surprised at all?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13440434 Wed, 18 May 2005 19:16:08 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13438600 Karl Bode : Well, my short blurb on it is now number one on Google as intended. Hopefully that does someone some good:

»www.google.com/search?client=saf···oe=UTF-8

(Actually number one for "netbux & Paypup"

Number two for Netbux, number one result for Paypup.)

Astounding in how I've had to clear out the story's comment sections from little parasites who've been spamming it with the very affiliate spam the story says is a scam....

I'll never get over how many human rats infest the Net.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13438600 Wed, 18 May 2005 15:40:54 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13438405 i386 : How did he get beyond the anonymous host stuff, i.e. "tostis@someisp.net"?

He seems like a real jerk.

DO NOT CLICK THAT LINK! IT IS AN ATTEMPT TO EARN **HIM** CASH. IT'S CALLED SPAM.

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Best regards,
Eddie]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13438405 Wed, 18 May 2005 15:14:38 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13432344 codezeromind : well u guys get an actual report saying if its legit or not by waiting for an official report from the Better Business Bureau, they do reports on companies

Netbux
»www.jacksonville.bbb.org/common.···23554450

For example of one report is one on cashfiesta.com
»www.goldengatebbb.org/commonrepo···id=35786

Main BBB site to search the companies
»search.bbb.org/search.html]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13432344 Tue, 17 May 2005 20:26:01 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13432039 JoeStrummer : Yeah, I e-mailed them right after I posted that. No reply yet.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13432039 Tue, 17 May 2005 19:44:07 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13426524 anon : ...??
i already try to cantact the admin but until now still not receive reply...!!
almost one month...:(]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13426524 Tue, 17 May 2005 07:12:02 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13422364 i386 : Hmm, not sure how to contact the founders. I will look.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13422364 Mon, 16 May 2005 18:20:38 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13421612 JoeStrummer : I heard about the Netbux program awhile ago, and it did seem quite fishy, so I went to go find out it's legitemacy. I was quite convinced it was legit, when I stumbled across here. Now I too would like to find out if Netbux is a scam. I'm planning on joining, and trying it out. I also had an interesting idea. Why not try to contact the founders? See what they have to say in defense. Just a thought.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13421612 Mon, 16 May 2005 16:51:33 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13418527 anon : you can try this site

»www.netbux-owned.6x.to

They have an online script for netbux and paypup. It means you dont have to do anything accept running that script. It save and cant be detected.

So check it out]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13418527 Mon, 16 May 2005 09:41:40 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13414457 i386 : Some New Info About Netbux:

1. - They appear to have PayPal back now.
2. - They have unofficial forums at mynetbux.com.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13414457 Sun, 15 May 2005 18:16:33 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13413292 anon : lol it is quite ironic, i was trying to find those 2 websites to warn my friends about this scam....and i searched for them on netbux.org]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13413292 Sun, 15 May 2005 15:02:51 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13410975 sonic2000 : I had strong feeling something was wrong when I was on the registeration page of netbux.org, although the domain was good, and the website was clean, I wasn't on a secure connection (https) when on their registeration page. That was a clue to do some searching on the internet for the credibility of the site.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13410975 Sun, 15 May 2005 05:02:26 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13408818 i386 : Netbux uses Google/Yahoo/MSN/the rest. So, it's not really Netbux finding it, as removed See Profile said.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13408818 Sat, 14 May 2005 20:55:29 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13405970 removed :
said by stdstd:

»img190.echo.cx/img190/7467/netbu···a3dr.jpg
taken last payment when they still used paypal.
That was almost a month ago. I don't see any other success stories.

said by stdstd:

dumbasses. I found this stupid forum using netbux and I'm making MORE money while laughing at you retards complain.
No, you found this stupid forum using Google.

And I'm making more money than you without having to search for crap. :uhh:
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AIM | irc.removed.us - #dslr | Give me a ring: 718-606-4100]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13405970 Sat, 14 May 2005 13:10:57 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13405952 anon : 100%]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13405952 Sat, 14 May 2005 13:07:34 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13405247 jonez : hmm....well there is proof in the pudding there.

is that real?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13405247 Sat, 14 May 2005 08:28:21 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13404831 anon : »img190.echo.cx/img190/7467/netbu···a3dr.jpg
taken last payment when they still used paypal.

dumbasses. I found this stupid forum using netbux and I'm making MORE money while laughing at you retards complain.

now shove that up your pipe and smoke it. ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13404831 Sat, 14 May 2005 03:57:20 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13404698 i386 : Nope, he's not, and I've confirmed that. He appears to be the founder of "Netbux-Reminder Service", which you can read more about here:

»www.chplaptops.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5

chplaptops is supposed to be ezlaptop. They claim they will give the gifts. But I don't think it's true. I'll prove if it's true, though.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13404698 Sat, 14 May 2005 03:19:09 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13404419 removed : I don't follow.

This punk is the one who bought my account. How he is the owner of Netbux is beyond me.

I'm not saying that you're wrong - well, maybe a little - but it's just confusing. Got details?
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AIM | irc.removed.us - #dslr | Give me a ring: 718-606-4100]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13404419 Sat, 14 May 2005 01:55:26 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13404232 i386 : Also, chplaptops.com -- the founder of Netbux! That aaron guy seems to be someone named 'mrcore', with the real name of 'Tim Core'. Since he has a Netbux referral link in his signature (go to their "Temporary Forums" at the stupid chplaptops thing).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13404232 Sat, 14 May 2005 01:07:25 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13403227 anon : i think i've figured out how it works.
i've noticed from searching around for the past hours that netbux seems to have a routine of switching policies at the last minute before it's pay-time. this would explain why i've seen a different rendition of the "policies" that netbux has each time i go to another site that has something to do with netbux, including their own site. in addition to that, i've seen user stats of netbux (of the ones that post clips of them to forums and such) that say $500 earned, $500 to be paid, $0 paid. also, it interests me that there is such a large dispute over whether or not netbux is acutally a scam, and i believe this in and of itself can be used as proof that it is a scam because there wouldn't be this large of a dispute all over the internet about whether or not netbux is a scam if it really weren't. also, i think it's pretty funny that a so-called legitimate company supplies links to buy illegitimate modchips for gaming platforms, not that im saying this proves it is a scam or not, but it is extremely fishy and does work enormously to discredit the legitimacy of this operation.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13403227 Fri, 13 May 2005 22:18:48 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13403069 removed : Me too. If it sounds too good to be true...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13403069 Fri, 13 May 2005 21:57:52 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13403063 i386 : I'm pretty sure it is though.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13403063 Fri, 13 May 2005 21:57:09 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13403051 removed :
said by i386 See Profile:

I dunno though, this *might* not be a scam. Though chances aren't that likely. I am working with someone to help me figure this out (he has paypup on the $50 mark, so we'll be able to figure it out fast).
Well, if it ain't, I'll start Googling.
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AIM | irc.removed.us - #dslr | Give me a ring: 718-606-4100]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13403051 Fri, 13 May 2005 21:54:51 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13403036 anon : more suspicious arises: the link to the supposed copyright holder's page (Kryotek Media »kryotek.com) has only one link, which incidentally leads right back to netbux.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13403036 Fri, 13 May 2005 21:52:33 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13402166 i386 : I dunno though, this *might* not be a scam. Though chances aren't that likely. I am working with someone to help me figure this out (he has paypup on the $50 mark, so we'll be able to figure it out fast).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13402166 Fri, 13 May 2005 19:47:19 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13402159 i386 : Heh, yeah, seems like it. But they say something about "redoing our codes" or something. But freeipods was legit (and still is). Next one I want to get is the mini mac. I love mac.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13402159 Fri, 13 May 2005 19:46:20 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13400685 removed : Looks like chplaptops.com is going to be a similar site... like freeipods and the like. Yawn.

The Interweb has too many of these sites as it is. Silly kids.
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AIM | irc.removed.us - #dslr | Give me a ring: 718-606-4100]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13400685 Fri, 13 May 2005 16:19:27 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13400626 i386 : I sent aaron@chplaptops.com a nice e-mail. Told him that he could get into legal shit. LOL.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13400626 Fri, 13 May 2005 16:10:45 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13400196 i386 : that's a fucking lie. he has no payment info so until then (as removed See Profile said), it's a scam. I don't see a way this could not possibly be a scam.

btw, they're using stormpay]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13400196 Fri, 13 May 2005 15:12:50 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13398981 removed : You haven't earned shit til you've gotten the money.

Post back with proof that they've sent you money via PayPal (or whatever the hell they're using now) and then we'll believe you. Until then, it's a scam.
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AIM | irc.removed.us - #dslr | Give me a ring: 718-606-4100]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13398981 Fri, 13 May 2005 12:29:41 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13398631 anon : :)Guess where I found this forum/chat site, doing Pay-Pup searches! I LOVE NetBux.org and I LOVE Pay-Pup.com and they are back now again! It's a great way to find search keywords that I would be looking for anyways! The big search engines are all organized right on those two sites and I can easily go check whatever I am looking for anyways and simply use either one of those two sites and find them easily.

I have earned quite a bit at Netbux as well as Pay-Pup and yes, I even spent some money of my own hard-earned cash buying member referrals.

Highly Recommend both of those sites! ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13398631 Fri, 13 May 2005 11:41:28 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13396795 i386 : yes, the McAfee on here detected some trojans on the netbux site, I'm wondering if this guy opened it in an attempt to put trojans on computers?

[one minute later] edit: it's most likely an attempt for money I'm sure, maybe a trojan. but anyway I'll get more info on that trojan and give you the links.

edit: I couldn't get the trojan again, but I do know there is a trojan on that site. the netbux and paypup things are MOST LIKELY scams.

some more info:

I think I might go do some searches, etc. until I get $50 (the minimum). I doubt I can get that far, but then we can prove this is a scam, once and for all.

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Thanks,
Eddie]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13396795 Fri, 13 May 2005 03:11:56 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13394920 anon : netbux & pay-pup use mny pop-under and if u scan u pc with anti virus & anti-spyware & anti-adware..u will find many trojan, virus, spyware & adware...!!!
almost 100+......:o]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13394920 Thu, 12 May 2005 21:35:50 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13392291 anon : I'd be glad to link to info, except that their sites' "terms" keep changing, and obviously some of the info is based upon occurrences which happened, and are not documented (i.e. I learned through talking to the owners anonymously or saw on pages which are now edited or no longer exist). If anyone has documented proof, screenshots, conversation, cached pages, or ANYTHING from the history of either one of these sites, please email me at info@netbuxscam.com. Thank you.

p.s. Yes, i am using a different ISP now. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13392291 Thu, 12 May 2005 15:53:35 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13389089 jonez : IT WORKS IT WORKS!!!!

got my stormpay transfer today!!!

just kidding]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13389089 Thu, 12 May 2005 07:22:15 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13387755 removed : You're able to buy others' accounts on Netbux...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13387755 Wed, 11 May 2005 23:30:12 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13387234 hoyleysox : These sites aren't asking for any money, and they aren't selling anything. I don't see how they intend to make money. Maybe they are they harvesting confirmed email addresses/leads for other schemes]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13387234 Wed, 11 May 2005 22:18:43 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13386744 anon : pay-pup email address also not work coz i send mail to the pay-pup admin but the mail bounced back to me with the reason no such address...!!:o]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13386744 Wed, 11 May 2005 21:26:03 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13385682 removed : As Karl Bode See Profile said before, it looks to be similar to the JuiceBoosted scam from July 2004.

Except with this one, people are actually spending money on the scam. Morons (like the guy who bought my account) will spend a few dollars in hopes of getting more morons to put money in their pocket. $1 spent by 5 or 6 people is nothing... but then you think about how many morons must be buying other morons. The moron count really goes up!
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AIM | irc.removed.us - #dslr | Give me a ring: 718-606-4100]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13385682 Wed, 11 May 2005 19:22:00 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13385650 anon : beyondthedoor,

I would consider linking to your pages, but you'll need to get some sources and evidence to back up your points.

I have been doing online advertising for 4 years. I completely agree that their business plan does not work. No respectable advertiser would ever do business with them at their rates because the traffic is junk.

I would like to see an end to these sites soon so that less people will have their time and money taken. But please get some evidence on your sites.

Ben
www.lostmouse.com

P.S. It looks like their working with StormPay right now. I wonder how long that will last?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13385650 Wed, 11 May 2005 19:17:53 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13385440 i386 : /me goes there to do one too.

(btw, that's in IRC form too)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13385440 Wed, 11 May 2005 18:51:58 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13385267 removed : He sure wasted it. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13385267 Wed, 11 May 2005 18:29:48 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13385057 pstation : Hey, you should be happy, some random fool on the internet just paid $3 for you.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13385057 Wed, 11 May 2005 18:03:39 EDT Re: Hint, Hint! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13381490 pleekmo : I'll give you all a little hint: If it requires referrals, it 's a scam. Referral IDs are the clue that the entity is a type of MLM, or pyramid scheme. When you see a "marketing" site require referrals you should get a mental image of a scam. There should be no real reason for a legitimate marketing scheme to require referrals.

There are very occasionally a legitimate reason for referrals. For instance, I believe the "Spread Firefox" movement uses referrals to track how the Message is spread.

When you see a referral requirement you should get a mental image of a scam.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13381490 Wed, 11 May 2005 09:30:15 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13381010 anon : Did you know that when you signed up, their policy said that they will never give out any information? ;)

In the last few days they changed the part about giving out your email address, since they finally realized that people were figuring out that their privacy policy was a lie. :mad:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13381010 Wed, 11 May 2005 07:43:24 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13380460 removed : I'm tired of all the Netbux crap. Every other AIM message I get has someone begging me to sign up.

I signed up for it earlier, just to play with it, and some boob emails me and starts harassing me about making him money:

From: aaron@chplaptops.com [mailto:aaron@chplaptops.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 7:32 PM
To: removed@removed.us
Subject:

don't forget to do your 40 searches on net bux it really works and it's a great way to make money

I told him to FOAD, and he sent this:

-----Original Message-----
From: aaron@chplaptops.com [mailto:aaron@chplaptops.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 7:51 PM
To: removed
Subject: Re:

what;s wrong with what i wrote i was just tryin to get my referrals to do
theiur searches so i can get paid

Apparently he "bought" me as a referral. That's just lame. These Netbux guys blow chunks.
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AIM | irc.removed.us - #dslr | Give me a ring: 718-606-4100]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13380460 Wed, 11 May 2005 02:24:44 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13380438 anon : thank for the info...:D
i also not believe their can pay that much for member..
that two site now always down...
so i think is better find a legit on to earn more better..:p]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13380438 Wed, 11 May 2005 02:17:34 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13349725 salahx : What makes me curious is what's the point of this "scam"? Clearly cheating the advertisers isn't working, and a few thousand from the people buying referrals is pocket change, why? Was this just a failed attempted to create a semi-legit business (like 180solutions)? Did they really think the advertisers wouldn't catch on to their scheme? Or was it all a scam for the referral money? If it was a scam from Day 1, didn't they realize that there's a paper trail a mile long and it would be nearly trivial for anyone who knows the slightest thing about law to track them down?

It might not be a bad idea to add a section to your site on how to track down these people and sue them when the the victims of this scam realize they are not going to get paid.

If this is a scam, is sounds like one of the most braindead scams ever. Mugging infants for candy would likely be more profitable, simpler and safer than this. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13349725 Fri, 06 May 2005 23:12:20 EDT Re: Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13349273 salahx : Thanks for the sites, I've been seeing Netbux referral spam EVERYWHERE, even on DSLR (which the mods then quickly nuke). ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13349273 Fri, 06 May 2005 22:17:20 EDT Pay-Pup and Netbux Scams http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13347266 anon : Dear Friends,

I would like to give you the address of my websites, which talk at length about the Pay-Pup and Netbux scams which have been running for about one month as of now. Confronted with the facts, there is no way that anyone could believe these are truly reliable businesses (no matter whether the owners intended them to be when they began). The business plans simply do not work, and the fishy nature of everything about the sites is very disturbing.

»www.paypupscam.com
»www.netbuxscam.com

If you like them, please link / blog them on your sites, so that Google will give these the top reading for paypup scam & netbux scam searches, if not paypup & netbux themselves!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13347266 Fri, 06 May 2005 17:34:26 EDT