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Re: No problem for me Can you guys run a test for me?
I think I narrowed this down a bit.
I have a Motorola Cable modem that has a very cool switch on top to isolate it from the internet. At night, when I am done for the day, I usually switch it off, even if I keep my home internal network running.
The cable modem is still "on", but it does not provide any outside connectivity to the router.
I think that if I leave it on, the router stays alive.
Thoughts? I should be able to use this thing as a router, even if it has no input from the WAN port, don't you think?
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 mozerdLight Will Pierce The DarknessPremium,MVM
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Nepean, ON | said by rhyalus6:I have a Motorola Cable modem that has a very cool switch on top to isolate it from the internet. At night, when I am done for the day, I usually switch it off, even if I keep my home internal network running. The cable modem is still "on", but it does not provide any outside connectivity to the router. Yes, if you activate the Motorola switch [killing the WAN interface] the Router will stop polling the WAN port after a period of time. To get the WAN port on the Router to Respond after you have activated the Motorola switch [make alive] all you have to do via a wired connection is open a Command window, issue a IPCONFIG /RELEASE then wait 15 seconds and issue a IPCONFIG /RENEW ... your Router should now operate normally.
The issue is not Pre-N related -- there are some issues all related to how Your ISP deals with polling your Motorola Cable Modem Interface and How the Pre-N deals with a silent WAN port.
IMO that Motorola switch you termed as cool is not cool in anyway -- in fact its my opinion that its far from cool.  I would suggest not activating that switch. Plus I would also suggest that you leave the Pre-N router running 24/7 because devices like the Pre-M operate better when they are hot. The Pre-N routers SPI Firewall and NAT interface does a excellent job of protecting you from incoming traffic. Outgoing traffics is subject to your disciplines.
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| Hi David,
Thanks for the info...
It seems easier to pull the plug on the router and then plug it back in...
From my perspective, this is a bug. It has nothing to with my ISP. I have had a router from every major company, and have never had this problem. There is no reason on earth why this box should not be able to act as a hub for my internal network - what if I don't WANT a WAN input, but rather just a good wireless internal one? I have two unix workstations and a PC wired directly, and a couple of PCs on wireless. When it is time to stop working, I like to sever the tie to the Internet. I should be able to do that....
Your information is much appreciated, and I am glad to know that it is not just my unit, but don't help Belkin rationalize an obvious bug.
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mozerdLight Will Pierce The DarknessPremium,MVM
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Nepean, ON | said by rhyalus6:what if I don't WANT a WAN input, but rather just a good wireless internal one? I have two unix workstations and a PC wired directly, and a couple of PCs on wireless. When it is time to stop working, I like to sever the tie to the Internet. I should be able to do that.... Perhaps I misunderstood how YOUR Motorola Cable Modem works. I have worked with the Motorola SURFBoard Cable modems and each model that provides the Standby Button -- the switch you term as cool -- has the following characteristic:Internet service is blocked because the Standby button was pressed. If this light is on, all other lights are off. If all lights are off except the Standby light, the cable modem is in Standby mode. Press the Standby button to reconnect your Internet service. So as long as the Standby Button is active Your unix boxes will not be able to communicate over the Internet regardless of whose Router your chose to use as the gateway. Insofar as How a Router reacts to an INTERFACE that’s gone silent is another subject that takes too much time for me to explain -- and you're certainly entitled to believe whatever it is that you chose is the correct methodology
Insofar as the Pre-N acting like a LAN Switch -- from my perspective there are no issues [I have done work on many of the Belkin Pre-N devices] -- why you are having issues is beyond my ability to provide further meaningful input.
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| Hi David,
All I want is for the Router to not crap out when there is no input from the WAN.
I want a functioning internal network while the cable modem is in standby mode.
This is what I could do with Linksys and Dlink, but not with the Belkin Pre-N.
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mozerdLight Will Pierce The DarknessPremium,MVM
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Nepean, ON
1 edit | said by rhyalus6:All I want is for the Router to not crap out when there is no input from the WAN. I want a functioning internal network while the cable modem is in standby mode. This is what I could do with Linksys and Dlink, but not with the Belkin Pre-N. OK, then I strongly suggest that you and everyone else who see this as a legitimate issue to write the U.S. Networking Tech Support people at usnetsupp@belkin.com and request that they have the firmware adjusted accordingly -- if enough people write in and complain I suspect they would make the adjustment --- although what you may be requesting is not standard operating procedure because of a unique [and useful] feature provided by Motorola. The fact the Dlink and Linksys routers are not bothered by a WAN port gone silent over extended periods of time is not a material argument -- although perhaps it should be |
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| Good advice, mozerd - I'll do that.
We have probably inconvenienced too many electrons on this matter already, but let me belabor the point a bit longer.
What if I wanted a wireless network for file sharing and resource sharing (like printing, etc) in an environment that was NOT connected to the internet.
I disconnected the motorola modem altogether, and the results are the same. If there is no input from the WAN, the modem locks up after a few hours. This is not because of the funny switch on the top of the cable modem.
Do you think this is a valid, possible use for the modem? I would probably include this as the MAIN issue in my email to Uncle Belkin.
Does anyone else need the Pre N to function in this matter?
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R |
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