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reply to Wizard0562

Re: 900MHz at 9 miles and some trees

Hey DaDogs...

Yes in most parts of El Paso, and the majority of east El Paso it is mesquite bushes and some sgraggly kind of cactus I wouldn't be able to put a name on.

A lot of our clientelle is located in the La Mesa, NM, Anthony, NM, and La Union, NM in the Rio Grand Vally of Southern New Mexico which is a part of our neighborhood as El Paso, and Las Cruces, NM are now almost one huge Metroplex.

Ranger Peak is an awsome POP, but, the majority of our services come off of towers throughout the Southern NM Mesa along the border of US and MX and a few well placed POPs on tall buildings in the Vado area.

Even since '92 El Paso has spread out... it is almost one big city from Las Cruces, NM all the way down to Fabens, TX now. We have POPs all throughout the region as well as in Roswell, NM, Ruidoso, NM, and Cloudcroft, NM.

They got real trees up there...LOL

I was just trying to let Bob see the stats on the 11 mi 900 link we put up the other day... that was fun...

Wizard

reply to Wizard0562
Hi wizard:

Neat. Right now I'd be happy just to get one POP up...LOL.

I see Calderone has a jitter of 8/12. That sure is a long link. Thats neat to know that Canopy will go that far. Does it still work ok with that kind of jitter?

I assume all of them are 900 MHz.

Thanks for the posting.

Bob

reply to cmaenginsb
Hi cmaenginsb:

I see you mentiomed panel and grid antennas on your 8/31 post.

Is a grid antenna just another name for a panel antenna?

reply to BigCreek
Nope, a grid antenna is the style of antenna that looks kinda like a barbeque grill. They are closer to a dish than a panel.

reply to Wizard0562

reply to Airplane777
Bob,
Yes Calderon works great... reregs are somewhat high but the customer is not complaining so we just let it run.

This particular customer was told of the possibility of slower speeds and because of the long link the speeds are slower, yet, the client had no other option but dial up and is happy with half a meg.

reply to cmaenginsb
Hi cmaenginsb:

I looked closer at the grid antennas. I see they have higher gain then the panels.

Thanks

reply to DaDogs
Hi DaDogs:

I apologize that I let your request for the coordinates go so long. I kind of "get lost" in all of the threads and sometimes forget what was said a while back...LOL.

Plus I was getting a good sized WiFi system ready for deployment (which I finally installed a couple days ago). It worked right away...LOL. I got lucky in all my configurations...LOL.

Here are the coordinates you asked for. I'll have to use 900 MHz due to trees all around.

Point 1 - I would like to put my Canopy 900 MHz AP at this location. N 40 degrees 12.271 ' W 76 degrees 56.900 ' I can probably get the AP up about 150 feet above the ground here (on top of a building I would like to use).

Point 2 - This is at a shopping center near my neighborhood. There are commercial customers there, so I could use my 900 MHz there. N 40 degrees 13.055 ' W 76 degrees 58.911 ' I could probably put the SM on top of the buildings here, about 40 feet high.

Point 3 - This is in the middle of a small town.
N 40 degrees 13.055 ' W 77 degrees 00.445 ' I might be able to put the SM on top of the row buildings. The row buildings roofs average around 60 feet high.

BTW, I just learned yesterday that a large network customer of ours, who already has WiFi for the public in one his large buildings, just bought another very large building. He wants a large private network installed in the building he bought. Wants public WiFi there. And wants me to wirelessly bridge the two buildings together.

Thats so neat that we get a large amount of repeat business from our present customers. I guess our network team does a pretty good job for our clients. I wish I had more wireless work though...LOL, since I'm the wireless guy and not one of the IT networking people. But I do help them out when they need wireless help.

We even have some attorneys as clients. You don't want to do network integration work for attorneys if you don't know what you are doing. They can sue real easy.

Wow. I'm excited. I was laying in bed last night, going over in my mind how I will put this wireless stuff together for this large new building.

Fortunately our network guys will take care of the private network stuff in this new building...LOL.

This business owner is a real good person and just a nice client. I want to do the best job I can for him.

I can get maps like that, but I messed with the color scheme and don't like what I did. What color scheme do you use? Is there a way to get back to the default?
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Scott

reply to DaDogs
Hi DaDogs:

Wow. Looks pretty good.

I assume the SM heights of 5 & 10 meters assume only trees in the way? Reason I ask, if I would imagine if I have just one tall home in the way, that the tall home would kill my signal completely? Then I might have to get the SM up even higher, just to "look over" the tall home, in order to see the AP.

Seems that there isn't any difference in the two heights as far as signal...if I'm interpreting the maps correctly.

I know a fellow on here said his Waverider and antenna was in his basement and he picked up a good signal about 500 yards away in his neighbors home. I'm not so sure Canopy would be able to do that?

That brings up a neat question. It would be real neat if someone set up a Waverider and a CAnopy 900 MHz...maybe Trango too. And tested the signal into someones home or through a whole bunch of trees, or whatever. It would be real interesting to see if the Canopy could keep up a usable signal, the same distance as the Waverider and Trango. I don't know if anyone has ever tried that.

But it sure looks like I might be able to get some good coverage.

What kind of program did you use there? Where can it be bought?

Thanks so much.

Bob

I agree on the learning curve....

I spent about two hours on my first encounter with it making colored squares . Hopefully I'll have some time to figure it out better within the next few weeks.

Any thoughts on the following antenna:
Product Description

900MHz base antenna with enclosed fiberglass radome, gold anodized support pipe and N Female termination. 65" long, 902-928 MHz, tuned to 915MHz, 5dB gain. Clamps sold separately.

Technical Specification

Antenna Gain 6dB
Frequency Range 902-928Mhz
Bandwidth 26Mhz
RF Connector Type N
Dimensions 65" long
Weight 4 lbs
Shipping Method UPS Shipable
Type Of Antenna Colinear Omni
Is Exact Freq. Required No
Is Pigtail Included No
Frequency Band 900MHz
Antenna Mount Type none
Connector Gender Female

Will be trying out a test unit from Wave Rider
CCU300, 1 EUM 3005 Indoor Ant, and 1 EUM 3006 Outdoor unit