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 SteveConIBEW 2222 Boston, MAPremium
join:2004-09-02
Boston, MA | reply to imrf
Re: cant be that expensive said by imrf:said by SteveCon: but a quality installation fishing walls, attics etc. can take all of 8 man/hours and more than likely longer. Yes, if you don't know what you are doing, sure. I have worked with installation companies for many years. I have seen a 7500sq. ft. homes wired with 6 outlets or more in less than 4 hours fishing 4 stories up, with two guy each working by themselves. Don't tell me 3 outlets in a average run of the mill home will take 8 hours. C'mon now. *1* person.. 4 story pulls.. 3 outlets.. all in 4 hours? I'm a licensed electrician with 30 years experience who has fished more tel, data, catv and power cables than I care remember; I bet a wiring inspector would have a field day citing code violations on *that* job.
Sure, you might get a "bunny" 1st floor install of 3 jacks in 4 hours once in a while - but that certainly is not going to be the rule. Working safely and doing a quality install in a neat and workmanship-like manner is going to take longer. More often, the install will be required in the upper levels of a multi-floor or worse yet, multi-family dwelling.
Sending one person to fish walls and ceilings alone is a waste of time and money for a company - it can be done, but it's not cost effective. 8 man hours is a more realistic expectation. | |
 imrfPremium
join:2002-06-06
Utica, MI | said by SteveCon:C'mon now. *1* person.. 4 story pulls.. 3 outlets.. all in 4 hours? I'm a licensed electrician with 30 years experience who has fished more tel, data, catv and power cables than I care remember; I bet a wiring inspector would have a field day citing code violations on *that* job. I bet that you are 100% wrong. There were absolutely no code violations. Why do you find it hard to pull 3 lines in 4 hours. With the proper tools and not constantly taking breaks it can easily be done, and it has been done many times. Telecom workers always claim this can't be done because they just listen to what their union tells them.
Working safely and doing a quality install in a neat and workmanship-like manner is going to take longer. Sure quality work takes time, but not an entire shift. That's just plain laziness.
Sending one person to fish walls and ceilings alone is a waste of time and money for a company - it can be done, but it's not cost effective. No, a waste of money is sending in multiple techs that still complete the job in the same amount of time. I have rarely seen telephone techs work any faster with multiple techs then it would have taken if they were by themselves.
8 man hours is a more realistic expectation. Not really. That's a ridiculous amount of time to do 3 outlets. It's just as sad as the time it takes to do a FIOS install. It shouldn't take 6 hours to do it. It really sounds like Verizon needs better training for their techs if they all think this is reasonable. | |
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