Canada regulates VoIP in VOIP Tech Chat http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r13395684 en Sun, 29 Nov 2009 19:19:50 EDT Sun, 29 Nov 2009 19:19:50 EDT Re: Canada regulates VoIP http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13419560 sunshine12 : If they are offering Canadian numbers, then they have to register with the Commission in order to provide service.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13419560 Mon, 16 May 2005 12:24:58 EDT Re: Canada regulates VoIP http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13402516 vonsen : News reports today are that Canadian telcos e.g. telus, sasktel, et al are lining up to appeal this CRTC missive. They may win some concessions, but the CRTC doesn't often back off their ordained path.

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                                                                                                                five stars shy]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13402516 Fri, 13 May 2005 20:37:01 EDT Re: Canada regulates VoIP http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13402399 vonsen : None of the orders to date should affect someone who has a virtual Canadian number, but is otherwise registered to a US provider. So if you have a US mailing address and billing, you should escape direct regulation. It is not inconceivable that the regulations could be imposed on the basis of area codes, but that hasn't been past practice and is IMO unlikely to happen.

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                                                                                                                                     five stars shy]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13402399 Fri, 13 May 2005 20:20:41 EDT Re: Canada regulates VoIP http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13402112 stufried : I also wonder what will happen to my Canadian virtual number. I am not in Canada, have not registered a Canadian address, and am paying with a non-Canadian credit card. Will I be hit with the tariff.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13402112 Fri, 13 May 2005 19:40:09 EDT Re: Canada regulates VoIP http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13402015 ErikRP : My question is exactly what will be the impact to U.S. VoIP providers, particularly when the subscriber is located in Canada? I'm in Canada and we use Broadvox Direct. Will BVX have to meet any Canadian regulations as a result of this decision? Will U.S. companies be forced out of the market? If the CRTC is going to regulate the local phone part of VoIP service, will they allow American companies to provide service? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13402015 Fri, 13 May 2005 19:28:27 EDT Re: Canada regulates VoIP http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13401578 Styvas : The only argument I've got against the "they're actually regulating the internet but they say they're not" idea is that they are not regulating VoIP service that operates solely over the internet. Instead they are regulating that VoIP service which interfaces with the PSTN network and uses numbers that are issued for use with the PSTN network.

That's my understanding anyway.

Steve
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Check out the Primus TalkBroadband VoIP FAQ.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13401578 Fri, 13 May 2005 18:20:21 EDT Re: Canada regulates VoIP http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13400194 SaskSurfer : I have to agree with the spin complaint.

My other beef is with the spin that some media and posters in other forums are putting on this ... that this decision is a good thing because it allows the cable companies to break into the telecom companies 'monopoly' on local service, and prevents the telephone companies from selling below cost just to knock the competition out of the market.

If we're talking Bell vs. VoIP_startup_number_432, then I can at least see where the argument is coming from. But when we look at a company like Shaw coming into the Saskatchewan market to compete with SaskTel, it's suddenly the Telco who's the little guy. Financially speaking, Shaw's pockets run ten times deeper than those of SaskTel ... but it is SaskTel who is crippled by the ruling. Cast in this light, the above argument supporting the ruling starts to lose traction.

Should VoIP be regulated? The CRTC has provided their response to the question. So be it. It's not the response that I have issue with ... if they choose to regulate VoIP, that's their perogative ... but the current implementation is severely flawed. The CRTC wants to create an unequal playing field; but they've overcompensated ... Instead of unequal, this ruling is downright unfair in certain markets.

Competition? I'm all for it. Feel free to spot the visiting team a few runs. But don't expect a competitive ball game when you make the home team take the field but state they can't use their ballgloves until after the game ...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13400194 Fri, 13 May 2005 15:12:32 EDT Re: Canada regulates VoIP http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13396627 vonsen :
said by nsumner See Profile:

It says nothing of 911 or anything else.
The CRTC imposed voip 911 last month and gave carriers 90 days to have it in place. My complaint is with the spin that the CRTC tries to place on it's decisions. They have a history of heavy regulation, but always portray their decisions as almost apologetic, minimalist abberations. They are regulating an internet service, but not brave enough to be straight up and just say so.

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                                                                                                                 five stars shy]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13396627 Fri, 13 May 2005 02:09:27 EDT Re: Canada regulates VoIP http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13396462 nsumner : It basically says nothing other then the big telcos can't undercut the market. I see nothing wrong with that in essence (indeed in the US you would allow it and then take them to court for anti-competitive behaviour). It says nothing of 911 or anything else. It does of course say they are continuing to "not regulate" the internet, but are going to regulate VOIP because it is effectively a telephone service. I have had this argument before, but I dare say VOIP is effectively a telephone service, at the same time it operates over the internet. The CRTC had to choose where to view it and both are very logical. Many people are dumping their regular phone for VOIP and really couldn't care much it operates over the internet which I think leads to the CRTC viewing it as a telephone service, if that is how it is marketed why should we expect the CRTC to disagree???]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13396462 Fri, 13 May 2005 01:30:27 EDT Re: Canada regulates VoIP http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13396403 vonsen : The spin on the CRTC announcement is that they aren't 'regulating the internet'. But since it looks like a phone call, they're going to tariff it anyway. Something like a politician who says 'no new taxes', then doubles your existing tax rates. But since he didn't add any new tax categories he proclaims that he upheld the 'no new taxes' pledge. Spin spin spin.

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                                                                                                                 five stars shy]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13396403 Fri, 13 May 2005 01:13:36 EDT Re: Canada regulates VoIP http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13395817 bugabuga : In other words, current big shots on Canadian market can't price their VOIP offering at $5 a month, waiting to kill off competition and then bring it back to $50 a month to keep their business.
Big deal.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13395817 Thu, 12 May 2005 23:30:44 EDT Canada regulates VoIP http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13395684 sunshine12 : »www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/NEWS/RELEASES···0512.htm

Today the CRTC decided to regulate VoIP. The decision requires ILECs to tariff their VoIP services when offered within their operating territories. Cablecos and any other provider must register with the CRTC and adhere to local competition rules (i.e. 911, access for disabled, interconnection, etc)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13395684 Thu, 12 May 2005 23:09:37 EDT