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|  ke4pymPremium
join:2004-07-24
Charlotte, NC | Re: Good Lord! Not all of us want or care about 911. Speaking for myself. | |
| |  pogPremium
join:2004-06-03
Kihei, HI
 ·Hawaiian Telcom
| Re: Good Lord! said by ke4pym:Not all of us want or care about 911. Speaking for myself. Do you mean 911 in general? Or specifically with respect to VoIP? | |
| | | ke4pymPremium
join:2004-07-24
Charlotte, NC | Re: Good Lord! Eh, either. But more towards VoIP. | |
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| cacoPremium
join:2005-03-10
Whittier, AK | said by ke4pym:Not all of us want or care about 911. Speaking for myself. You say that now! Lets hope you never need to call it.
I don't see a problem having Voip providers have to offer 911 service. You would think it would actually help sell Voip if folks didn't have to worry about 911 service. | |
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| | It would be a great move if it wasn't the consumer who suffered in the end. VoIP is a cheap alternative to regular landlines for those who want to use it. Individuals with cell phones who like the comfort of a more consistant line benefit greatly from the service, regardless of 911.
I am quite hard, and you'd expect me to say "this is great, 911 is a needed and important social program that protects the public."
But even a pinko like myself can see when a careless regulation is going to absolutely squash competition and stagnate progress in an industry. Consider the bells essentially dictate 911, and considering VoIP providers (the underdogs of course, just like Linux guys were) are a new form of direct and very tough competition for those bells, it seems obvious to me that the bells can raise their charges for service provision just enough to insure that VoIP can't quite break even or make profit in an attempt to stale the market and slow progress.
Now, if the FCC orders that the bells and others provide 911 to the VoIPs at a reasonable, consistant rate, or better yet, broker a provision deal themselves, then I might give this the old "good idea," but not as it seems to be.
I think that not allowing customers to use their VoIP service until they have set up their VoIP 911 is a brilliant idea that solves this problem pretty quickly. A problem that is mostly hype driven special cases taken on my a media and a public always fearful of disruptions to their current lifestyle. I wonder what more of a percent of 911 calls placed over VoIP get missed/fudged over the number which are missed/fudged over regular 911 calls.
While I think it is ridiculous that people have to pay for the food that they need to keep them alive and the clothes on their back that keep them from dying of exposure, I think it is completely inproper for the government to get involved retroactively in a new technnology that has the potential to make life better faster and cheaper for millions of people. | |
| | | | Re: Good Lord! The US Gov't mandates certain safety features in all cars sold in America. This is a basic hinderance to a 4th US automaker from arising. The same could be argued of gun manufacturers who are sued if their product misfires because of no safety on the weapon.
So cheaper is something the gov't doesn't care about when it comes to issues of public safety. | |
| | | | | Re: Good Lord! Safety features are more than fine. However, in the case of a new car manufacturer, they do not have to DIRECTLY PAY their competition in order to come up to the safety standards of their competitors. If a third-party operated and paid for 911 call centers this would be a different situation, because then the charges would be objective and even-handed. Since the bills operate and own the call centers, they can essentially squash their competition at wil. The public safety aspects of the argument or almost irrelevent to the actual result of the legislation. | |
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 DavidNow accepting new patientsPremium,VIP
join:2002-05-30
Granite City, IL
kudos:70 | I think you and my brother (a firefighter, #5185 from perryville, MO) would agree with this.
Can't say I have had many people ask me about it yet, but I am going to be sure to educate them if I have to install one/ask about one. | |
| |  TransmasterDon't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY | Re: Good Lord! If you will look back in years many areas of the country Telco's where forced to offer 911. They where dragging their feet, moaning and complaining about the cost of equipment and so on. Of course they got a fee structure planted to pay for it and the advanced 911 system that followed. 911 has saved countless lives so I don't understand what the beef is about it. VoIP companies should have a 911 service installed as part of the setup. If for some reason you don't want E911. I can't imagine what that would be. You would have to request to be removed from it, and I would make that about as hard as it is to stop an AOL subscription. They should make clear if you don't want E911 on your VoIP you are a fool.
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 calvoiper
join:2003-03-31
Belvedere Tiburon, CA | said by exocet_cm:Stop complaining! Its good they are forcing 911 on all VoIP providers! Even if it means they'll have to shut down for whatever reason. As a firefighter I think this is a GREAT move! Hmmmm. What I hear you saying is "Let's force 9-1-1 availability everywhere, even where there are technical issues that prevent it from working. If not, shut the operation down."
OK. What about CB radios? No 9-1-1 on those. Shut 'em down.
What about that nice hiking trail up the mountain? No 9-1-1 there because there are no phones and cellphones don't work? Shut that down too.
How about the hot dog man on the corner? If he made more money, he'd have a cell phone--but if he made more money, he wouldn't be selling hot dogs from a cart. Shut him down too.
How about cars? GM puts "On-Star" in some of its cars, so we know that 9-1-1 from cars is possible. Should we forbid the sale of cars without this service? How about GM cars after the first "free" year? Should we pull the car's license plates if the owner doesn't renew his On-Star at $17/month?
What's next Mr. Firefighter? We look at the world exclusively through your eyes and outlaw candles?
calvoiper
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| |  exocet_cmYou delete it, I'll find itPremium
join:2003-03-23
New Orleans, LA
kudos:2 | Re: Good Lord! said by calvoiper:said by exocet_cm:Stop complaining! Its good they are forcing 911 on all VoIP providers! Even if it means they'll have to shut down for whatever reason. As a firefighter I think this is a GREAT move! Hmmmm. What I hear you saying is "Let's force 9-1-1 availability everywhere, even where there are technical issues that prevent it from working. If not, shut the operation down." OK. What about CB radios? No 9-1-1 on those. Shut 'em down. What about that nice hiking trail up the mountain? No 9-1-1 there because there are no phones and cellphones don't work? Shut that down too. How about the hot dog man on the corner? If he made more money, he'd have a cell phone--but if he made more money, he wouldn't be selling hot dogs from a cart. Shut him down too. How about cars? GM puts "On-Star" in some of its cars, so we know that 9-1-1 from cars is possible. Should we forbid the sale of cars without this service? How about GM cars after the first "free" year? Should we pull the car's license plates if the owner doesn't renew his On-Star at $17/month? What's next Mr. Firefighter? We look at the world exclusively through your eyes and outlaw candles? calvoiper I like candles.
Channel #9 is (for as long as I had a CB) is used for emergencies. HAM radio I'm not sure of as I didn't ever learn about an emergency freq to use.
As for the hiking trail: Tis what rangers are for. No, it may take a little time to get to ya but thats what they are there for. (plus some other stuff)
I dunno about the hot dog guy. If he is isolated and selling hotdogs then thats weird. All of the hot dog people I see are in public view.
No, I don't want to outlaw candles. We need to educate the public about their use and how to use them properly.
David  #1138 Pearl River, La 
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Missionary work in Brasil is awesome!!! | |
| | | | | Re: Good Lord! Well in Pearl River all you need is their last name and you just look for that street.
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| | | TransmasterDon't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
1 edit | You have but to Ask said by exocet_cm:Channel #9 is (for as long as I had a CB) is used for emergencies. HAM radio I'm not sure of as I didn't ever learn about an emergency freq to use. Here you go:D If there isn't a designated emergency frequency the national call frequency is used.
160 METERS
1.8078 FISTS Calling frequency
1.810 QRP Calling frequency
1828.5 -- DXpeditions CW Operations are frequently here
1.830-1.840 CW, RTTY and other narrowband modes, intercontinental QSOs only
1.840-1.850 CW, SSB, SSTV and other wideband modes, intercontinental QSOs only
PSK31
80/75 METERS
3.500-3.510 CW DX Window
3.505 DXpeditions CW are frequently here
3.5078 FISTS Calling frequency
3.560 QRP Calling frequency
3.590 RTTY DX
3.790-3.800 SSB DX Window
3.71 QRP Novice/Tech CW Calling Freq
3.845 SSTV
3.885 AM Calling Frequency
3.799 DXpeditions SSB are frequently here
3.985 QRP SSB Calling frequency
PSK31
40 METERS
7.000 - 7.010 CW DX Window
7037 Pactor Calling frequency
7.040 RTTY DX
7.050 XTAL Controlled Rigs
7.078 FISTS Calling frequency
7.290 AM
7.065 DXpedition SSB USA split to 7.150 and above
7.005 DXpeditions CW are frequently here
7.110 QRP Novice/Tech CW Calling Frequency
7.171 SSTV
7.285 QRP Calling frequency
7.290 AM Calling frequency
PSK31
30 METERS
10.106 QRP CW Calling frequency
10.110 -- DXpeditions CW are frequently here
PSK31
20 METERS
14.025 DXpedition CW Freq -- Usually Split
14.060 QRP Calling frequency
14.078 FISTS Calling frequency
14.080 DXpedition RTTY Freq
14.080 to 14.100 Primary Range for RTTY
14.100 NCDXF Beacons (STAY OFF OF THIS FREQUENCY) Many Hams rely on these beacons for propagation determination. For Details - see NCDXF/IARU International Beacon Network
14.195 Rare DX & DXpeditions Frequently Operate SSB Here -- Generally Listening Up-Split
14.230, 14233, 14236 SSTV
14.285 QRP Calling frequency
14.286 AM Calling Frequency
14.336 MHz County Hunters when ever 20 is open and mobiles are around
PSK31
17 METERS
18.075 DXpeditions CW are frequently here -- Usually Split
18.078 FISTS Calling frequency
18.110 NCDXF Beacons (STAY OFF OF THIS FREQUENCY) Many Hams rely on these beacons for propagation determination. For Details - see NCDXF/IARU International Beacon Network
18.145 DXpeditions SSB are frequently here -- Usually Split
PSK31
15 METERS
21.025 Rare DX & DXpeditions Frequently Operate CW Here - Generally Listening Up-Split
21.060 QRP CW calling frequency
21.078 FISTS Calling frequency
21.080 to 21.100 RTTY Primary Range
21.080 RTTY DXpeditions are frequently here
21.150 NCDXF/IARU beacons (STAY OFF OF THIS FREQUENCY) Many Hams rely on these beacons for propagation determination. For Details - see NCDXF/IARU International Beacon Network
21.295 Rare DX & DXpeditions Frequently Operate SSB Here -- Generally Listening Up-Split
21.340, 21430 SSTV
21.385 QRP SSB calling frequency
PSK31
12 METERS
24.895 Rare DX & DXpeditions Frequently Operate CW Here -- Generally Listening Up-Split
24.930 NCDXF Beacons (STAY OFF OF THIS FREQUENCY) Many Hams rely on these beacons for propagation determination. For Details - see NCDXF/IARU International Beacon Network
24.945 Rare DX & DXpeditions Frequently Operate SSB Here -- Generally Listening Up-Split
PSK31
10 METERS
28.025 CW Rare DX & DXpeditions Frequently Operate Here – Split
28.060 QRP CW Calling frequency
28.078 FISTS Calling frequency
28.080 RTTY Rare DX & DXpeditions Frequently Operate Here -- Split
28.080 to 28.100 Primary Range for RTTY
28.1010 10/10 Intl CW Calling Frequency
28.120-28.300 Beacons
28.200 NCDXF/IARU beacons (STAY OFF OF THIS FREQUENCY) Many Hams rely on these beacons for propagation determination. For Details - see NCDXF/IARU International Beacon Network
28.380 10/10 SSB Intl Calling Frequency
28.385 QRP SSB Calling frequency
28.425 10/10 SSB Intl Calling Frequency – Another is 28.400
28.495 SSB Rare DX & DXpeditions Frequently Operate Here -- Split
28.600 Old General Callin Frequency - Still used by Old Timers
28.675~28.685 SSTV Operating Frequency -- IARU Region 1
28.680 SSTV Operations USA/Canada
28.825 10-10 Backskatter Net - Paper Chasers Net
28.885 6M DX Liaison Frequency -- Listen here for 6 Meter DX opening announcements and discussions.
28.945 FAX Operating Frequency
29.000-29.200 AM Operations
29.300-29.510 Satellite Downlinks
29.520-29.580 Repeater Inputs
29.600 FM Simplex - Calling Frequency
29.620-29.680 Repeater Outputs
PSK31
SIX METER FREQUENCIES
50.06-50.09 Beacons
50.0-50.1 CW
50.058 FISTS Calling frequency
50.090 CW Calling Freq
50.7 RTTY Calling Frequency
50.100 to 50.130 DX Window (USB)
50.110 DX Calling Frequency (USB) Usually Non-USA Stations Call Here.
50.115 DXpeditions Frequently operate CW and SSB here
50.125 USA National SSB Simplex Frequency (USB) Lots Of USA Hams Call Here For Local and Across Country
50.1-50.6 Weak Signal, AM
50.300 FM Simplex Calling Frequency (West Coast)
50.385 USB PSK31
50.4 National AM Simplex Frequency
51.910 FM Internet Linking
52.525 National FM Simplex Calling Frequency
6 Meter Simplex Frequencies --51.500 51.520 51.540 51.560 51.580 51.600 52.490 52.510 52.525* 52.540 52.550 52.570 52.590
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Low voltage Tech's are wimps, Real tech's use 45 pound filament transformers, plate voltages no less then 2400 volts with at least 10 amp's lighting 8877 triodes...BPL I'm coming to get you.
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| | | | exocet_cmYou delete it, I'll find itPremium
join:2003-03-23
New Orleans, LA
kudos:2 | Re: You have but to Ask Dude thanks!
bogey780 dude, sad thing is your right! | |
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| | calvoiper
join:2003-03-31
Belvedere Tiburon, CA | Re: Good Lord! said by exocet_cm:...Channel #9 is (for as long as I had a CB) is used for emergencies. HAM radio I'm not sure of as I didn't ever learn about an emergency freq to use. ... I dunno about the hot dog guy. If he is isolated and selling hotdogs then thats weird. All of the hot dog people I see are in public view. No, I don't want to outlaw candles. We need to educate the public about their use and how to use them properly. David #1138 Pearl River, La Well, neither CH 9 nor "public view" would satisfy the FCC on 9-1-1. CH 9 doesn't get you to the PSAP--it only gets you to whoever might be listening, with absolutely no guarantee anyone is. "Public view" isn't relevant--if the customer is having a heart attack, having 7 people watch won't help.
Your approach on candles is more reasonable--educate the user on the uses and hazards and recognize that some risk remains. The FCC should have taken that approach on VOIP 9-1-1.
calvoiper
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