Re: Is this site fake? in Spam, Scam and Phishbusters http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r13531200 en Mon, 13 Oct 2008 21:37:51 EDT Mon, 13 Oct 2008 21:37:51 EDT Re: Is this site fake? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13846268 removed : »www.newegg.com
»www.tigerdirect.com
»www.directron.com

You cannot expect to get something "75% below retail price!"... it's just impossible. You're going to search yourself to death if that's what you're looking for.
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AIM | B | irc.removed.us - #dslr | Give me a ring: 718-606-4100]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13846268 Fri, 08 Jul 2005 20:20:28 EDT Re: Is this site fake? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13843027 anon : Yo guys, I found this forum on google search when I aksed "is this real"? So, what I also wanna know is where for sure I can get cheap stuff. Edirect club seems too unreal, also because they don't work with credit cards, only checks, and checks are like if they receive 'em, they can just take the money, you know. And they have sent me a letter, where it said that their international department is in Canada, why? Why not in U.S.? So only after it, I started to suspect and went to google. Not like I paid, naaa. I only wrote my email to them and they sent me an automated letter where they told me where and when to pay.
So please, if anyone can suggest me smth good, please drop one too farikkara@hotmail.com. That's me, thanks, I will also be glad to help to anyone of yous.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13843027 Fri, 08 Jul 2005 13:42:43 EDT Re: Is this site fake? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13788070 i386 : What I would do is contact Williams Communications (WilTel) at abuse@wiltel.com and cc the e-mail to Server Beach. I sent a complaint in, but nothing has happened yet.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13788070 Fri, 01 Jul 2005 05:56:36 EDT Re: Is this site fake? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13686949 Wildcat_67 : Definately a large post....LOL.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13686949 Sat, 18 Jun 2005 07:26:43 EDT Re: Is this site fake? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13678616 i386 : I love their e-mail they sent to PimpRig.com:

said by morons:
We are requesting that you immediately remove Pimprig forum thread #21214. This thread contains postings that are defamatory to our company, harassing, and contain illegal activity. Our company is also sustaining substantial financial losses as a result of the messages that appear on your web site.


This is a translation in the real words:

said by morons:
We are requesting that you immediately remove Pimprig forum thread #21214. This thread contains postings that are defamatory to my scam, harassing, and contain illegal acitivity. Our scam is also sustaining substantial financial losses as a result of the messages that appear on your web site.


Basically, "You're making me lose money for my scam. Take the post off!" is what he's saying.

What a good guymoron.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13678616 Fri, 17 Jun 2005 02:07:09 EDT Re: Is this site fake? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13599337 i386 : Who wants their server to go? Contact WilTel and Serverbeach. Here is an output of ip whois.

Williams Communications, Incorporated WCG-BLK-4 (NET-69-44-0-0-1)
                                  69.44.0.0 - 69.45.255.255
ServerBeach WLCO-TWC1263571-SERVERBEACH-DULLES (NET-69-44-152-0-1)
                                  69.44.152.0 - 69.44.159.255
 
# ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2005-06-06 19:10
# Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database.

 
OrgName:    Williams Communications, Incorporated
OrgID:      WLCO
Address:    One Williams Center
City:       Tulsa
StateProv:  OK
PostalCode: 74172
Country:    US
 
NetRange:   69.44.0.0 - 69.45.255.255
CIDR:       69.44.0.0/15
NetName:    WCG-BLK-4
NetHandle:  NET-69-44-0-0-1
Parent:     NET-69-0-0-0-0
NetType:    Direct Allocation
NameServer: STLDNS1.WCG.NET
NameServer: TULDNS1.WCG.NET
Comment:    TO REPORT ABUSE, PLEASE CONTACT: ABUSE@WCG.NET
RegDate:    2003-05-01
Updated:    2003-12-29
 
NOCHandle: NOC215-ARIN
NOCName:   Network Operations Center
NOCPhone:  +1-800-934-8434
NOCEmail:  noc@wcg.net
 
TechHandle: CS1473-ARIN
TechName:   Smith, Cindy
TechPhone:  +1-314-595-6081
TechEmail:  cindy.k.smith@wiltel.com
 
OrgTechHandle: CS1473-ARIN
OrgTechName:   Smith, Cindy
OrgTechPhone:  +1-314-595-6081
OrgTechEmail:  cindy.k.smith@wiltel.com
 
# ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2005-06-06 19:10
# Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database.

 
OrgName:    ServerBeach
OrgID:      SERVER-17
Address:    5150 Broadway #620
Address:    X
City:       San Antonio
StateProv:  TX
PostalCode: 78209
Country:    US
 
NetRange:   69.44.152.0 - 69.44.159.255
CIDR:       69.44.152.0/21
NetName:    WLCO-TWC1263571-SERVERBEACH-DULLES
NetHandle:  NET-69-44-152-0-1
Parent:     NET-69-44-0-0-1
NetType:    Reallocated
Comment:
RegDate:    2003-11-14
Updated:    2003-11-14
 
AbuseHandle: ABUSE405-ARIN
AbuseName:   Abuse
AbusePhone:  +1-210-225-4725
AbuseEmail:  abuse@serverbeach.com
 
TechHandle: HOSTM325-ARIN
TechName:   Hostmaster
TechPhone:  +1-210-225-4725
TechEmail:  hostmaster@serverbeach.com
 
OrgTechHandle: ZZ4092-ARIN
OrgTechName:   ipadmin
OrgTechPhone:  +1-210-225-4725
OrgTechEmail:  ipadmin@serverbeach.com
 
# ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2005-06-06 19:10
# Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database.

Traceroute:

skylake# traceroute 69.44.156.53
traceroute to 69.44.156.53 (69.44.156.53), 64 hops max, 40 byte packets
 1  192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1)  1.193 ms  0.783 ms  1.202 ms
 2  10.67.0.1 (10.67.0.1)  6.738 ms  6.812 ms  6.008 ms
 3  172.30.28.81 (172.30.28.81)  7.178 ms  6.227 ms  7.857 ms
 4  12.125.99.101 (12.125.99.101)  11.283 ms  10.601 ms  10.364 ms
 5  gbr2-p70.phmaz.ip.att.net (12.123.142.50)  9.858 ms  10.629 ms  10.140 ms
 6  tbr2-p013402.dlstx.ip.att.net (12.122.10.81)  30.329 ms  29.520 ms  30.161 ms
 7  tbr2-cl6.sl9mo.ip.att.net (12.122.10.89)  44.730 ms  42.986 ms  44.297 ms
 8  tbr1-cl2.sl9mo.ip.att.net (12.122.9.141)  44.789 ms  45.559 ms  44.191 ms
 9  tbr1-cl4.wswdc.ip.att.net (12.122.10.29)  60.838 ms  60.953 ms  60.617 ms
10  gar1-p300.ascva.ip.att.net (12.123.8.49)  62.169 ms  61.509 ms  60.643 ms
11  * * *
12  OC48-POS0-0.wdc-sp2-cor-1.peer1.net (216.187.115.234)  61.766 ms  60.683 ms  60.401 ms
13  OC48-POS6-0.wdc-sbsp2-dis-1.serverbeach.com (216.187.115.238)  63.203 ms  61.998 ms  6
 *5.579 ms
14  novadns.com (69.44.156.53)  77.908 ms  62.698 ms  63.205 ms

(*) WARNING 1 long line(s) split

Contacting WilTel can get the serverbeach network offline, but...

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CodingIRC -- »www.codingirc.net/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13599337 Tue, 07 Jun 2005 14:00:16 EDT Re: Is this site fake? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13596268 i386 : Heh! LOL.

Go to the Housewares page on isaveclub. You'll see the preview one:

said by Scammers/Bastards:
Hundreds of other items available in this category to eSaveClub members


Looks like they made esaveclub before that one! They didn't use isaveclub.
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CodingIRC -- »www.codingirc.net/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13596268 Tue, 07 Jun 2005 04:22:24 EDT Re: Is this site fake? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13596089 i386 : Yeah, that IP has esaveclub.com too.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13596089 Tue, 07 Jun 2005 03:18:08 EDT Re: Is this site fake? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13596066 i386 : note: I apologize for the large post, I hope it doesn't make the layout on the forum crappy or anything :)

Thanks to the clantemplate forum, I now have a copy of the buyer's guide.

You can either:

1) SEE FOR YOURSELF
user name: isc48392
password: pqz3510

2) VIEW IT HERE [This is here if they change the user name/password]
*** This is copyrighted content which is copyright by scammers (Clearout Club). I did not write it.

Welcome to the May 2005 issue of the

Clearout Club Buyer's Guide

Please take the time now to save this file (that is, this web page) and print it for future reference.

Although major changes to the Buyer's Guide occur at least once a month, minor changes may occur as often as once a week, so be sure to check back every 2-3 days or so for changes and new information.

Whether you've never shopped on the Internet before, have made a few purchases, or are a seasoned Net shopper, the information in this Buyer's Guide can save you hundreds or even thousands of dollars over the course of a few months. Perhaps you've already made a few purchases from some of the major web sites. If you did, you probably OVERPAID by as much as HUNDREDS of dollars - if not more! And that's what this Buyer's Guide is about. It is the result of thousands of hours of research and extensive experience by our staff, as well as comments and suggestions by our customers. Unfortunately, very few people know how to get the very best deals on the Net. With the information here, you can be one of the privileged few.

Then again, all the savings in the world mean nothing if you wind up not getting merchandise you paid for, or getting defective products, or just plain getting ripped off. Quite a few articles in major magazines (including recent articles in PC Week and Home Office Computing) mention the not insubstantial amount of fraud occurring over the Internet. Most web merchants are honest and legitimate, but unfortunately there are a few rip-off artists out there, and it only takes one bad purchase to turn you off shopping on the Net forever. With this Buyer's Guide, we can help you avoid the disreputable web merchants and steer you towards solid, reliable sources for all your needs.

A note about "Buyer's Guides" in magazines: You've probably seen "Buyer's Guides" in some magazines promising you "great buys" on various products. Don't believe it! Usually these "Buyer's Guides" feature a small handful of links to a few web sites with little or no description as to what you'll find on these sites, and often no site ratings or any way to tell which sites are worth visiting and which ones are not. These "Buyer's Guides" represent only a small fraction of the publishing space and effort of a magazine, and are thus very limited in both scope and substance. On the other hand, the Buyer's Guide you are reading here is the result of thousands of hours of extensive research by our staff. Unlike the part-time operations of magazines, our Buyer's Guide is a full-time project - it's what we do for a living, so we have to make sure it's not just good but truly great. Case in point: a few months ago, a major computer magazine published a "Bargain Shopping Guide" that consisted of only six links. Upon checking these sites, our staff discovered that one of the sites was no longer in service and two other sites had merged into a single site. Even more disturbing, one of the sites listed is a site that we know from our extensive research has had problems fulfilling its obligations to its customers. No doubt some readers of this major computer magazine went to this site, placed an order, and found that their "bargains" weren't quite what they bargained for! On the other hand, anyone who had the information contained in the Buyer's Guide you're reading now would have known to avoid the site, since we check sites before we list them and don't list sites that we know customers have had problems with. A final point: Many of the sites listed in magazine "Buyer's Guides" are major websites that don't offer those "hard-to-find" bargains like those listed here. Remember that magazines are heavily dependent upon advertising, and thus may provide site listings that satisfy the demands of their advertisers rather than the needs of their readers. On the other hand, you can be sure the Buyer's Guide you're reading now is unbiased and objective, since we don't accept advertising or any other form of payment from the sites listed here. Quite a few of the sites listed here are "hard-to-find" - you won't find these sites listed in magazines. These sites offer great bargains by keeping their overhead low, which unfortunately doesn't leave much money for advertising, unlike the "big boys" who spend lavishly on advertising and then pass the costs on to their customers. These treasure troves of bargains may be hard to find - but you'll find them here.

Format Note: We have made some changes to sections of the Buyer's Guide format. We now feature Quick-At-A-Glance tables so you can easily narrow down your choices. The first table is sorted by alphabetical order by site, the second table by ratings with the highest-rated sites appearing first. Once you've picked out the site(s) you're interested in dealing with, have a look at the more detailed listings which appear after the tables and are sorted by alphabetical order by site. As always, we check sites for reliability and do not list those sites which we are aware have a history of problems in meeting their obligations to customers. This in itself is a very useful service; a recent issue of PC World magazine pointed out that there are a number of Internet shopping sites that rip off their customers. Hopefully, the information provided here can help you steer clear of these dubious sites. The Guide's site ratings are based primarily on a site's product selection and prices, as well as other factors we deem to be important. Since we are not related to these web sites or conduct any business with or accept any payments from them, you can be sure that these ratings (as well as the other information provided in this Buyer's Guide) are unbiased and objective.

Shopping note: We've changed a few of the site ratings in this issue to reflect any differences in the services provided by each of our listed sites. In particular, a few sites that earlier had limited selections of products have recently increased their selections of goods, and these improved selections are reflected in our new, higher ratings for each site that has made such an improvement. Please see the UPDATE notes in each site's listing for further information.

Important note: Some people have asked us why we don't have direct links to the sites mentioned in this Guide on this page. We used to have such links a long time ago, but many people clicked on the links and subsequently had problems returning to this page. We realize that this is not a problem for some people, but unfortunately we have had to remove the direct links because of the people who were unable to return to this page and ended up sending us a large amount of e-mail about this problem. Anyway, you can visit these web sites easily by selecting the URL of the site you want to visit by dragging over it with your mouse, copying the URL (press CTRL-C in Windows, COMMAND-C on the Mac) and then pasting it into the ADDRESS/LOCATION bar of your web browser (press CTRL-V in Windows, COMMAND-V on the Mac). We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.

How to Get Your Free Items

To obtain your free Apple iPod Music Player, CLICK HERE
To obtain your free Samsung 17" LCD Monitor or Sony Wega 27" Flatscreen Trinitron Television, CLICK HERE
To obtain your free Sony PSP, CLICK HERE

Hints & Tips

Shipping: Check shipping & handling charges carefully for an item - in fact, you should consider these charges to be a part of the item's final price. Some sites can charge quite a bit for even relatively small (and light) items, making them less of a bargain than they first appear to be. For example, a $35 shipping charge on a $1,000 computer system is not a lot - but a $35 shipping charge on $60 memory is. Some sites offer a variety of shipping methods such as expedited and two-day shipping. Obviously, the more you pay for a shipping, the faster you can expect to receive the item, so consider how long you're willing to wait to receive the item versus the shipping & handling charge you'll pay.

Brand Names: If you're looking for the best buys in computer equipment, you should think about avoiding the "brand names" like IBM and Dell and look for smaller, lesser-known brands. In a recent Dell advertisement, Dell tells us to ask their (presumably lower-priced) competitors if they are a multi-billion-dollar computer company like Dell. And why, one might ask, is Dell a multi-billion-dollar computer company? Simply because of the prices they charge for their systems. The big "brand-name" companies like Dell and IBM can afford to spend massive amounts of money to advertise their products (money that's ultimately paid for by purchasers of their products) and many people unfortunately equate this large amount of advertising with quality. The truth is, the basic components that make up most computers are fundamentally similar - same processors, same video cards, same hard drives, etc. - regardless of which brand you buy. This is not to knock IBM or Dell or Compaq or any other big computer companies, but just be aware that when you pay more (sometimes much more) for one of these "name-brand" systems what you are paying extra for is the logo on the box - and often nothing else.

Refurbished Products: If you're really looking to save money, do consider refurbished products. Many of the refurbished products being offered are in "like-new" condition. Pay particular attention to the warranty. Some refurbished products only come with a token 90-day warranty, which is rather minimal. Look for products that come with at least a 180-day warranty; a year or more is even better.

Warranty Concerns: Most of the equipment being offered is new and in good condition, but problems do occasionally occur. Most products do come with a manufacturer's warranty (see the specific product listings on the auction sites for details). Many products are manufactured by large companies such as IBM, Hewlett Packard, etc. and companies such as these usually have service centers located in many areas that will repair or replace a product for you should a problem arise. In some cases, for instance if you don't live near a repair facility, you may need to send the product in for repair or replacement. In any case, be sure to read the warranty information carefully before buying or bidding on an item.

Comparison Shopping Information

One of the most exciting developments in Internet shopping is the advent of comparison shopping services. Basically, you type in the item you wish to purchase, and these services search hundreds of on-line stores to find the best prices for you. (Consider how long it would take you to search 200-300 web sites manually for the product you're interested in.) Using these services, you can easily save hundreds of dollars on your purchases by finding the best prices and save yourself countless hours of searching through hundreds of web sites for that great buy. These services are so far little-known, but by reading the following information you'll be among the privileged few who have access to these wonderful services - and they're all free for you to use! Using these services can save you a great deal of time - hundreds of hours - of manually searching through web sites yourself. And the prices you can get are incredible!

Pricescan
URL: »www.pricescan.com
RATING: 9.5/10
COMMENTS: Excellent search system and detailed pricing information on a wide variety of products. Unique among comparison services noted here is a Price Trend Graph feature that gives you an idea of past price fluctuations of products you're interested in.

Pricewatch
URL: »www.pricewatch.com
RATING: 9/10
COMMENTS: Very easy to use and versatile search system.

MySimon
URL: »www.mysimon.com
RATING: 9/10
COMMENTS: Excellent service covering a wide range of products.

Shopper.com
URL: »www.shopper.com
RATING: 9/10
COMMENTS: Provides extensive comparison shopping information on computer equipment.

iBuyer
URL: »www.ibuyer.net
RATING: 8.5/10
COMMENTS: Good search system. Also searches for product reviews and rebates.

PriceGrabber
URL: »www.pricegrabber.com
RATING: 8/10
COMMENTS: A good comparison service. Also has product reviews.

DealTime
URL: »www.dealtime.com
RATING: 8/10
COMMENTS: Good comparison service with a wide variety of products.

Auction Hints & Tips

A few of the sites included here are auction sites. A few tips to help you shop smart on these sites follow:

* Before you participate in an auction, read the auction rules carefully. This may seem like an obvious thing to do, but you'd be surprised at the number of people who fail to read the rules and then complain about the auction site. To give you an example of typical auction rules, you can start by reading the "Sample Auction Rules" below.
* Some auction sites will (at your request) send you e-mail regarding new products as they become available for bidding. If you're really interested, you can ask to be added to the auction site's mailing list.
* Some auction sites, when bidding, give you the option of an "all-or-nothing" bid for quantity purchases. This usually means that (for example) if you bids for three quantities of an item and only win the bidding for two, then you will not receive any items at all. You can use this option if you absolutely MUST have a specific quantity of an item and won't settle for less.

Sample Auction Rules

The following rules represent the rules of a typical auction. Auction rules can vary widely, and as noted above it is VERY IMPORTANT that you read and understand an auction's rules before you decide to participate.

Bids win as follows:

* Bids with higher prices win over bids with lower prices.
* If bids are for the same price, the bids with larger quantities win over bids with smaller quantities
* If bids are for same price and quantity, then earlier bids will win over later bids.

The Best Time to Bid in an Auction

The best times to bid at an auction are summarized in the table below, and are followed by an explanation for each variable listed in the table. Please note that this table should be used as a guideline only; the "best" time to bid at an auction varies widely.

Bid Earlier Bid Later
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large bid increment small bid increment
light bidding action heavy bidding action
large quantity of item available small quantity of item available

Large Bid Increment vs. Small Bid Increment: If you're bidding on an item where the bid increment (the price a bid must be raised to "win" the item) is relatively small, as it is for less expensive items such as printers and scanners, you might wish to wait until almost the closing time of the auction to find out what others have bid to decide whether you want to bid on the item or not. On the other hand, if the item has a fairly large bid increment (as more expensive items like computers usually do), you may wish to bid early in the hope that you can get the item at a lower bid.

Light Bidding Action vs. Heavy Bidding Action: There are two reasons for bidding later if an item you wish to bid on is experiencing heavy bidding action. The first reason is that the heavy bidding action means you will likely be outbid rather quickly, making early bids a waste of time. The second reason is that heavy bidding can dramatically raise an item's price; in this case it is wise to wait until later to see what sort of price the item is going for before you decide whether you want to bid or not.

Large Quantity of Item Available vs. Small Quantity of Item Available: If there is a large quantity of an item available you can bid early with less of a chance of being outbid due to the larger quantity of the item available. On the other hand, if an item is available in small quantities, you will likely be outbid fairly quickly if you bid early.

IMPORTANT WARNING:
PERSON-TO-PERSON AUCTIONS

Most of the auction sites listed here are "dealer-type" auctions, where the products for auction are being offered by actual dealers or manufacturers or even the auction site itself. In such cases, you can be pretty much assured that you'll get what you paid for, and that if there are problems with the product they'll usually be taken care of. A few sites, however, are "person-to-person" auctions, where the sellers are individuals. Although person-to-person auctions can get you some great buys, be aware that the auction site is generally not responsible for the delivery of an item you've paid for - there are more than a number of people (as many as 8%-15%, according to a recent survey) who've lost money on person-to-person auctions and never received the items they paid for - recent articles in PC World and other magazines went into some details about this.

Reading the Ratings

To help clarify what the ratings mean and help save you time and money, here's a quick guide:

8-10 - Excellent site, a must-see if you're shopping for computer equipment
7-7.5 - A pretty good site
6.5 and below - Don't waste your time with this site

Legal Notice

This document is (c) copyright 2005 by Clearout Club. All rights reserved. No part of this document, in whole or in part, may be reproduced, transferred, or stored by any means whatsoever without the written permission of Clearout Club. All the web sites listed in this document have no relation to Clearout Club. This list of sites is meant to serve as a guide only. Clearout Club does not endorse the fitness of any of these web sites for any purpose whatsoever. Although reasonable efforts have been made to determine the reliability of these web sites, Clearout Club, its employees, assignees, officers, officials, owners, shareholders and agents shall not be held liable for any losses or damages of whatever kind that may result from doing business with any of these web sites or any other uses of this list of web sites whatsoever. Although Clearout Club strives to ensure the information contained in this document is as accurate as reasonably possible at the time of its collection and/or update, Clearout Club, its employees, assignees, officers, officials, owners, shareholders and agents shall not be liable for any losses or damages of whatever kind that may result from any use of this document or any errors or omissions that may exist in this document - any use whatsoever of the information contained herein is strictly at the user's own risk. Use of the information contained within this document signifies acceptance of the terms and conditions of this Legal Notice.



TABLE 1
Sites sorted alphabetically by name

Site name Site type Rating (/10) Payment Accepted
Dealer Auction Visa MC AMEX Disc.
AuctionAddict x 6.5 varies by item
Auction Depot x 7 x x x
Buy.com x 9 x x x x
Chips and Bits x 8 x x x x
Computers4Sure x 8.5 x x x
Dell Refurbished x 8 x x x x
Dragon Software x 7.5 x x x
ECost x 8 x x x x
eVGA x 8 x x x
IBM Refurbished x 8 x x x x
Most Significant Bit x 8 x x x x
Overstock.com x 7.5 x x x x
PCMall x 8 x x x
Recycled Software x 8 x x x x
Red Tag x 8 varies by item
Respond.com x 8 varies by item
Smart Bargains x 7.5 x x x x
Tiger Direct x 8 x x x x
UBid x 8.5 x x x x
United Computer Exc. x 8.5 varies by item
Wholesale Products x 8 x x x x
Winbook x 7.5 x x x x
Z-Buy x 7.5 x x x

Note: Disc.=Discover

TABLE 2
Sites sorted by rating

Site name Site type Rating (/10) Payment Accepted
Dealer Auction Visa MC AMEX Disc.
Buy.com x 9 x x x x
Computers4Sure x 8.5 x x x
UBid x 8.5 x x x x
United Computer Exc. x 8.5 varies by item
Chips and Bits x 8 x x x x
Dell Refurbished x 8 x x x x
ECost x 8 x x x x
eVGA x 8 x x x
IBM Refurbished x 8 x x x x
Most Significant Bit x 8 x x x x
PCMall x 8 x x x
Recycled Software x 8 x x x x
Red Tag x 8 varies by item
Respond.com x 8 varies by item
Tiger Direct x 8 x x x x
Wholesale Products x 8 x x x x
Dragon Software x 7.5 x x x
Overstock.com x 7.5 x x x x
Smart Bargains x 7.5 x x x x
Winbook x 7.5 x x x x
Z-Buy x 7.5 x x x
Auction Depot x 7 x x x
AuctionAddict x 6.5 varies by item

Note: Disc.=Discover

LISTINGS

AUCTIONADDICT
URL: »www.auctionaddict.com/
SITE TYPE: Person-to-person auction
RATING: 6.5/10
COMMENTS: Selection and prices are lacking, though there are many categories of products to choose from. Be aware that with this auction you're dealing with individuals, and although sellers tend to be honest you may not always get what you bargained for.
UPDATE: This web site's selection of available items has improved lately, though prices vary widely - there are a few bargains here, but some not-so-great prices either.
UPDATE: Prices could be better.
PAYMENT METHODS: Varies by item

PRODUCT CATEGORIES - COMPUTER-RELATED:
cases
cd rom
desktops
digital cameras
hardware
input devices
macintosh
mass storage
memory
modems
monitors
motherboards and cpus
multimedia
networking
notebooks
printer accessories
printers
scanners
servers
services
software
sound cards
upgrades
video cards

PRODUCT CATEGORIES - NON-COMPUTER-RELATED:
antiques
books & magazines
coins & currency
collectibles
consumer electronics
food & wine
jewelry & gems
medical
memorabilia
miscellaneous
movies
music
musical instruments
services & information
sporting goods
stamps
toys
trading cards
travel

AUCTION DEPOT
URL: »www.auctiondepot.com/
SITE TYPE: Auction
RATING: 7/10
UPDATE: Limited selection of products lately.
PAYMENT METHODS: Visa, MasterCard, American Express

PRODUCT CATEGORIES - COMPUTER-RELATED:
hard drives
Mac-compatible hardware
memory
notebook computers
office products
PCs
peripherals
printers

BUY.COM
URL: »www.buy.com
SITE TYPE: Dealer
RATING: 9/10
COMMENTS: Huge selection of just about every type of computer equipment imaginable, plus a wide variety of non-computer related items. Also check out the clearance section for great deals on computer equipment and home electronics.
UPDATE: Buy.com now has separate sections for shoppers from Canada and from the U.K.
UPDATE: Click on Clearance for a large selection of deals.
PAYMENT METHODS: Visa, MasterCard, American Express, Discover

PRODUCT CATEGORIES - COMPUTER-RELATED:
cameras
computers
memory
monitors
modems
motherboards
networks
notebooks
PDAs
peripherals
power Protection
printers
processors
scanners
software - business
software - entertainment
software - educational
software - financial
software - graphics/presentation
software - internet/communications
software - multimedia
software - OS
software - programming
software - utilities
storage
video Cards

PRODUCT CATEGORIES - NON-COMPUTER-RELATED:
books
games
music
videos

CHIPS AND BITS
URL: »www.chipsbits.com/
SITE TYPE: Dealer
RATING: 8/10
COMMENTS: Huge selection of computer and video games at very good prices.
PAYMENT METHODS: Visa, MasterCard, American Express, Discover

PRODUCT CATEGORIES - COMPUTER-RELATED:
Dreamcast
Game Boy
Game Boy Advance
Gamecube
Macintosh
Nintendo 64
PC games
PC hardware
PlayStation
PlayStation 2
Xbox

PRODUCT CATEGORIES - NON-COMPUTER-RELATED:
boardgames
card games
DVD movies
hint books
pen and paper games

COMPUTERS4SURE
URL: »www.computers4sure.com
SITE TYPE: Dealer
RATING: 8.5/10
COMMENTS: Very good prices on a wide variety of computer products. Price alert feature lets you know when a product you're interested in has dropped in price.
PAYMENT METHODS: Visa, MasterCard, American Express, Check, Money Order, Wire Transfer

PRODUCT CATEGORIES - COMPUTER-RELATED:
accessories
cameras
computers
memory
modems
monitors
networking
notebooks
PDAs
peripherals
printers
scanners
software
storage
supplies

PRODUCT CATEGORIES - NON-COMPUTER-RELATED:
telephones

DELL REFURBISHED ONLINE OUTLET
URL: »www.dell.com/outlet/
SITE TYPE: Dealer
RATING: 8/10
COMMENTS: Dell makes some of the best-built, best-backed computers around. If you're worried about buying refurbished products, don't be with Dell - these computers are reconditioned by Dell and many are backed by full warranties (see Dell's web site for details), virtually unheard of for refurbished products. Unfortunately, the prices could be better, but if you must have a Dell this is a good place to start looking for one at prices that are lower than buying brand-new.
UPDATE: Large variety of systems available, from desktops to notebooks to servers, good prices.
PAYMENT METHODS: Visa, MasterCard, American Express, Discover

PRODUCT CATEGORIES - COMPUTER-RELATED:
desktops
notebooks
servers
workstations

ECOST
URL: »www.ecost.com/
SITE TYPE: Dealer
RATING: 8/10
COMMENTS: Good prices on many products.
PAYMENT METHODS: Visa, MasterCard, American Express, Discover, Diner's Club

PRODUCT CATEGORIES - COMPUTER-RELATED:
accessories
books/video
cables/wiring
CD/DVD
communications
controller cards
CPU products
desktop computers
digital cameras
handheld computers
input devices
keyboards/mice
memory
modems
monitors & projectors
multimedia
networking
notebook computers
office supplies/equipment
power
printers
scanners
servers
software - business
software - education
software - entertainment
software - graphics
software - internet
software - Linux
software - utilities
storage
supplies
video cards

PRODUCT CATEGORIES - NON-COMPUTER-RELATED:
home appliances
home audio
home electronics
portable audio
video
wireless communications

IBM Refurbished PC Warehouse
TYPE: Dealer
URL: »www.ibm.com/financing/refurbishedpcs/
RATING: 8/10
COMMENTS: Brand-name IBM hardware (refurbished) at very good prices.
UPDATE: The product selection has improved here lately, and now includes other types of computer hardware.
UPDATE: Product selection continues to improve.
PAYMENT METHODS: Visa, MasterCard, American Express, Discover.

PRODUCT CATEGORIES - COMPUTER-RELATED:
accessories
desktop PCs
notebooks PCs

Most Significant Bits
TYPE: Dealer
URL: »www.msbcd.com
RATING: 8/10
COMMENTS: Large selection of software - including many games - at good prices.
PAYMENT METHODS: Visa, MasterCard, American Express, Discover, Money Orders and Cashier's Checks (U.S. Funds Only)

PRODUCT CATEGORIES - COMPUTER-RELATED:
software - games & entertainment
software - education
software - tools and utilities
software - applications
software - graphics & desktop

Overstock.com
TYPE: Dealer
URL: »www.overstock.com
RATING: 7.5/10
COMMENTS: A good selection of computer products. Although some prices are not great, there are some good deals to be found here.
PAYMENT METHODS: Visa, MasterCard, American Express, Discover.

PRODUCT CATEGORIES - COMPUTER-RELATED:
computer systems
drives & storage
modems & networking
monitors & video
office & phones
peripherals
software
upgrades & accessories

PRODUCT CATEGORIES - NON-COMPUTER-RELATED:
apparel
baby products
books, mags, videos & CDs
electronics & cameras
gifts & seasonal
hardware & garden
home decor
housewares
jewelry & accessories
sports & outdoors
toys & dolls
travel & business

PCMALL
URL: »www.pcmall.com/
SITE TYPE: Dealer
RATING: 8/10
COMMENTS: Wide selection of products at good prices. Also bargain-priced clearance items and Mac products.
UPDATE: The Mac Mall can now be found at »www.macmall.com/
PAYMENT METHODS: Visa, MasterCard, American Express

PRODUCT CATEGORIES - COMPUTER-RELATED:
accessories
books & video
CD & DVD
communications
consumer electronics
controller cards
CPU products
desktop & towers
digital cameras
handhelds
input devices
keyboards & mice
memory
modems
monitors & projectors
multimedia
networking
notebooks
power
printers
scanners
servers
software - business
software - education
software - entertainment
software - graphics
software - Internet
software - utilities
storage
supplies
video cards

RESPOND.COM
URL: »www.respond.com/
SITE TYPE: Auction
RATING: 8/10
COMMENTS: This is a unique service. Instead of bidding on products, products are selected by the purchaser, and Respond.com contacts merchants who bid on the sale, with the lowest bid winning. A huge variety of products are offered through this service.
PAYMENT METHODS: Varies

PRODUCT CATEGORIES:
art & collectibles
automotive
beauty products
cameras
computer accessories
computer consulting
computer repair
computer software
computers - desktop & laptop
computers & electronics
consulting services
cruises & trips
dvd players
fashion
financial & legal
financial services
fitness products
foods & beverages
gifts
health products
home & garden products
home improvement services
home maintenance & repair services
insurance
jewelry
legal services
loans & credit
mortgages
moving & storage services
pet products
real estate services
sound systems, and more.
special event & party planning
sporting goods
toys & hobbies
travel reservations
vacation packages

SMART BARGAINS
URL: »www.smartbargains.com/
SITE TYPE: Dealer
RATING: 7.5/10
COMMENTS: A good selection of products, some good prices on closeouts and overstocked merchandise.
PAYMENT METHODS: American Express, MasterCard, Visa, Discover

PRODUCT CATEGORIES:
accessories
apparel - men's
apparel - women's
bed & bath
electronics
home decor
jewelry & watches
kids
kitchen & dining
luggage

TIGER DIRECT
URL: »www.tigerdirect.com/
SITE TYPE: Dealer
RATING: 8/10
COMMENTS: Good prices on a large selection of hardware.
PAYMENT METHODS: Visa, MasterCard, American Express, Discover

PRODUCT CATEGORIES - COMPUTER-RELATED:
accessories
barebone kits
cables
CD/CD-RW/DVD
components
computer cases
cooling products
desktop PCs
digital cameras
DSL/broadband
electronics
flash memory
hard disk drives
input devices
media
memory
modems
monitors
motherboard & cpu
motherboards
mp3 audio
networking
notebooks
office equipment
PDAs
power protection
printer supplies
printers
processors (CPUs)
projectors
removable storage
robots
scanners
servers
software
sound cards
speakers
video cards
wireless networking

UBID
URL: »www.ubid.com/
SITE TYPE: Auction
RATING: 8.5/10
COMMENTS: Decent selection of products, very good to excellent prices. Bid Butler feature saves you time by allowing you to enter the maximum amount you're willing to pay for an item, and automatically increases your bid as required up to your set limit, saving you from having to constantly re-bid on item you're lost to other bidders. Bid Butler will even (at your option) send you an e-mail when your maximum price has been exceeded, allowing you to increase your bid if you want to.
UPDATE: A vastly improved selection of products at great prices makes an already good auction site even better.
UPDATE: Decent selection of Mac hardware.
PAYMENT METHODS: Visa, MasterCard, American Express, Discover

PRODUCT CATEGORIES - COMPUTER-RELATED:
accessories
components
computer
desktops
digital cameras
drives
home office
modems
monitors/video
portable
printers
scanners
software

PRODUCT CATEGORIES - NON-COMPUTER-RELATED:
accessories
appliances
audio
fashion & accessories
home audio
home theater
mobile
portable
seasonal
speakers
video

UNITED COMPUTER EXCHANGE
URL: »www.uce.com/
SITE TYPE: Auction
RATING: 8.5/10
COMMENTS: This site auctions surplus business equipment. Although the selection is small, there are quite a few good buys here.
PAYMENT METHODS: Varies

PRODUCT CATEGORIES - COMPUTER-RELATED:
adapters and chargers
batteries
desktop PCs
drives
laptop computers
memory upgrades
monitors
PCMCIA cards
printers and supplies

WINBOOK
URL: »www.winbook.com
SITE TYPE: Dealer
RATING: 7.5/10
COMMENTS: Good prices on well-equipped laptops ranging from entry level to fully loaded.
PAYMENT METHODS: Visa, MasterCard, American Express, Discover, Winbook Credit Card

PRODUCT CATEGORIES - COMPUTER-RELATED:
notebook PCs

Z-Buy
URL: »www.z-buy.com
SITE TYPE: Dealer
RATING: 7.5/10
COMMENTS: Decent prices on a good variety of hardware, some good deals.
PAYMENT METHODS: Visa, MasterCard, American Express

PRODUCT CATEGORIES - COMPUTER-RELATED:
cables
cases
CD-ROMs
CD-RWs
cpus
DVD
floppy drives
hard drives
keyboards
mice
modems
monitors
motherboards
memory
network cards
network components
printers
SCSI
sound cards
speakers
systems
tape drives
video cards

and/or

3) SEE THE NOTES
Don't they offer these items at very low prices? Nope. It's a list of discounters and a guide to discount buying. Nothing more than that.

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CodingIRC -- »www.codingirc.net/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13596066 Tue, 07 Jun 2005 03:08:48 EDT Re: Is this site fake? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13596032 removed : All of the above are the same sites - same IP and all.

»whois.webhosting.info/69.44.156.53 - looks to be an IP dedicated to stupid "savings club" sites.

Also, you ask why they choose *club. That's simple. By stating that this is a club, it tells people that it's something special and cool and exclusive. "Not every slob has access to this since it's a CLUB. I want in!"
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Anyway, these sites appear to be replicates:

»www.isaveclub.com
»www.edirectclub.com
»www.clearoutclub.com
»www.esaveclub.com

EDIT: added esaveclub scam.

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CodingIRC -- »www.codingirc.net/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13596023 Tue, 07 Jun 2005 02:54:12 EDT Re: Is this site fake? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13587636 i386 : Anyone have an HTML copy of their 'buyers guide'? ISaveClub.com has the same exact thing.

said by Scammers/Bastards:
For over ten years we have satisfied tens of thousands of eDirect Club members by providing them with saving of up to 90% off normal retail prices. We look forward to continuing to provide exceptional prices and service to all of our Club members


They've been in business for over 10 years?? How come the domain was created last November? Unless they have a retail store, that's just a lie.

said by Scammers/Bastards:
"I'm glad I found out about you guys. Keep up the great work, I'm looking forward to viewing the updates of the eDirect Club Buyer's Guide."
–Mike, San Diego, California

"Thanks to your buyer's club, I've saved over $3,000 this past year on my purchases."
–Karen, New York City, New York

"I am still amazed that I managed to save over $2500 on a plasma TV and computer system. Thanks!"
–John, Chicago, Illinois


They use that same quote on their other sites, too! Visit »www.isaveclub.com. They just changed "I Save Club" to "eDirect Club". The testimonials are most likely bogus, just like the domains you buy at »www.new.net.

said by Scammers/Bastards:
Offer Expires At 12AM


They've been saying that for a few years!

said by Scammers/Bastards:
We are now offering eDirect Club memberships – normally a $99.95 value – for $19.95, and are now including your choice of a FREE Apple iPod, Samsung 17" LCD Monitor, or a Sony PSP ... a total retail value of over $200


They are »www.freeipods.com, »www.freepsps.com, »www.freeflatscreens.com affiliates (note: there is no ref link in those). You have to complete a bunch of offers. It's not worth it.

said by Scammers/Bastards:
eDirect Club
SECURE PAYMENT FORM


Wrong! I could not find 'https' in the source code and the browser did not say 'https'. This is obviously some scam.

I tried submitting bogus information, obviously they ARE taking money out of your account immediately - it returned "incorrect checking account". (I used crap like 123456789)

I will create an e-mail correspondence with them and post it on a page on my Web site.

- i386]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13587636 Mon, 06 Jun 2005 03:09:50 EDT Re: Is this site fake? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13585948 i386 : obviously... I knew it was a template!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13585948 Sun, 05 Jun 2005 22:13:07 EDT Re: Is this site fake? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13584136 damn : it's a template
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Still, sounds like a scam.
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Best regards, Eddie]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13534061 Mon, 30 May 2005 16:39:10 EDT Re: Is this site fake? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13533989 i386 : This is similar to isaveclub.com - previously mentioned on here (maybe 4 or 5 pages).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13533989 Mon, 30 May 2005 16:28:53 EDT Re: Is this site fake? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13531290 Lostintech : Thanks.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13531290 Mon, 30 May 2005 09:47:23 EDT Re: Is this site fake? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13531200 nil : They claim to have been around for over 10 years yet the domain was registered last November.. and a google search finds very little.. so obviously just pop-ed up.

.. and what removed See Profile said.

A little google search on the registrar info

»sillydog.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8061
»forums.clantemplates.com/nextold···134.html
»www.ozzu.com/ftopic37445.html

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(you fill in the rest)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13531171 Mon, 30 May 2005 09:18:34 EDT Is this site fake? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13531156 Lostintech : »www.edirectclub.com/ ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13531156 Mon, 30 May 2005 09:16:08 EDT