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cdru
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join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
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Well that would explain...

...why things haven't gotten passed at the state level. Why screw the consumer at the state level when you can screw the nation for just a few dollars more.
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"What gives them the right to come in and do this?" she said. - Lady complaining that she was getting FIOS in her backyard.


TheSaint5

join:2002-01-25
Hanover Park, IL

I wouldn't even have a problem with such a ban if SBC and others were more willing to roll out ADSL2, fiber and other up and coming technologies. If you are going to try and stop everyone else, make sure you're going to feed our gut with something.
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The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. --- Edmund Burke
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Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus

join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY

reply to cdru
This is going no where, Session is just making pretty for his
corporate sponsors.


hescominsoon

join:2003-02-18
Brunswick, MD
Reviews:
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said by Transmaster:

This is going no where, Session is just making pretty for his
corporate sponsors.
REALID was supposedly going nowhere and it is the law of the land. Don't let this one fly under the radar.
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God Blesshttp://www.emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com-- carpe ductum -- "Grab the tape"

ossito16

join:2004-07-31
Whiting, IN

reply to TheSaint5
I think you are wrong. you should have a big problem with this regardless of what they offer. Corporations are not supposed to dictate how we will live and what we provide for ourselves.



TheSaint5

join:2002-01-25
Hanover Park, IL

Business should thrive as long as they roll the stuff out. Their biggest problem is their lack of deployment. Muni sounds like a good idea in theory, but I still have my doubts regarding their long-term capital and even moral standards. (Not that SBC or any of the major players don't).

I'm just saying that humans run the major telcos/cable and likewise they'll run muni efforts. Give anyone enough time/money and they'll become like PG&E, The Gas Company or any other major utility service:

A Monopoly with a capital "M".
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The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. --- Edmund Burke
Kill your TV, then Internet Explorer: »www.mozilla.org


ossito16

join:2004-07-31
Whiting, IN

Point well taken, I still hope we allowed to screw up ourselves without any help from muni-bans.



TheSaint5

join:2002-01-25
Hanover Park, IL

reply to cdru
One final thing, increased taxes for muni projects = More money out of your pocket no matter what.

I'm pro-muni in areas where the telcos/cable folks haven't deployed anything as of yet. Perhaps that will be reason enough for the corporate players to jump on the bandwagon and give rual folks a taste of this thing they call broadband.

This is 2005 people.

Dial-up is not acceptable.

To the people that are out in the boonies with a muni project trying to get off the ground, we wish you the best of luck.
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The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. --- Edmund Burke
Kill your TV, then Internet Explorer: »www.mozilla.org



cdru
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join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
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said by TheSaint5:

One final thing, increased taxes for muni projects = More money out of your pocket no matter what.
Depending on how it is financed, it could mean some additional out of pocket expense or it may not. Ideally through municipal bonds a city generates enough money to pay for the installation, then in turns pays off those bonds through fees from the use of the service. This way tax dollars are not directly used to fund the project as well as those that use the service are the ones that pay for the service.

Yes what you say is true that if taxes are increased to pay for a municipal project, it is more money out of your project. But the issue isn't always as simple as that. If the overall cost of the service is less because it's run by the government and isn't "in it for the money", then the cost savings on a monthly basis can offset any initial tax burden.

The bottom line is that with any project, the actual numbers have to be figured out. We can hypothesize and theorize all day, but without specific details and circumstances, not a whole lot can be argued one way or another. That is, unless you are the incumbent telco or cableco in which case you always argue against them, even if they make sense.
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"What gives them the right to come in and do this?" she said. - Lady complaining that she was getting FIOS in her backyard.


guitarzan
Premium
join:2004-05-04
Skytop, PA

reply to Transmaster
So far it's only a house rule.Depends on what the senate does with that bill.


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