Re: Such a waste of time in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r13548029 en Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:36:33 EDT Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:36:33 EDT Re: Have you voice heard! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13672255 bbreports8 : To be consistent with his line of thinking you must use "municipalities" not nobody/anybody etc. the bill does not exclude citizens, businesses, investors. In being consistent with the bill, YOU CAN do exactly what you're proposing you couldn't with your variants of the bill.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13672255 Thu, 16 Jun 2005 12:50:11 EDT Re: Such a waste of time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13672205 bbreports8 : Would someone with some actual knowledge enlighten me!
I didn't realize that Clinton and Bush function(ed) in the Legislative Branch.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13672205 Thu, 16 Jun 2005 12:43:19 EDT Re: Such a waste of time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13671843 bbreports8 : It's all spin...if it were a Democrat, the liberal response would be "See how the democrats actively seek to reduce government programs! To protect private industry, to not waste tax payers money". Did anybody notice that the exclusion if only for "municipalities"? Any citizen, business person, investor etc. is welcome to start their own "company" and provide the services. Bla bla bla.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13671843 Thu, 16 Jun 2005 11:49:46 EDT Re: Such a waste of time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13560263 JakCrow : When you're done being predictably cliche, entertain me with your rationale at deriving "your unrealistic ideals of what business is seems to be very twisted. Your ill seek help" from my "We should stop the handouts to multi-billion dollar corporations". You've obviously shot your wad on the subject since all you're bringing to the table at this point are insults, insinuations, and exaggerations. Good job.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13560263 Thu, 02 Jun 2005 16:12:34 EDT Re: Such a waste of time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13559897 anon : well gee, i will duck the real issues.

since when is tax breaks corporate welfare? The same tax breaks that I see going to give employees big raises, those employees spend that money generating sales taxes, so what you call corporate welfare is the working mans paycheck. Tax breaks are not government handouts of money. Your unrealistic ideals of what business is seems to be very twisted. Your ill seek help......]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13559897 Thu, 02 Jun 2005 15:26:08 EDT Re: Such a waste of time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13558446 JakCrow : Gosh. I'll pretend to be surprised you're trying to weasel out on the corporate welfare issue and turn it into some froth-mouthed partisan game...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13558446 Thu, 02 Jun 2005 12:32:39 EDT Re: Such a waste of time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13556384 anon : Still no links to your data???

I do agree "handouts" should not happen, but wait, what handouts, please show a link to a government handout. Do not try to convince me that tax breaks are handouts, they are not. The tax breaks Bush has made are effecting everyone, business has never been better. People have more money and new businesses are popping up like never before. The deficit is being paid down, 3 years ahead of the plan. Fiber is being laid, new technologies are coming fast to offer real free market competition. Ask why we do not have fiber already??? Under Clinton businesses were overtaxed and the money sent to the UN or france for UN votes. 8 years of pure destruction of this countries economy and it has taken a great leader such as Bush 5 years to even offer a glimmer of hope. You would throw away that hope for a pipe-dream of muni ran internet. Sacrifice the working mans money to support your wants, not the wants or needs of most people. So if I come off as insulting to you, fine, I see you as a sick person. Steal money from everyone to allow only a few to benefit. It is wrong to the core. Where I work most of the workers have just gotten .50 to 1.00$ raises, better believe we all want lower taxes on businesses, it is just common sense that says it is good for everyone. You commies lose we win!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13556384 Thu, 02 Jun 2005 05:32:42 EDT Re: Such a waste of time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13556291 JakCrow :
said by justncredible:

bbrat, you provided NOTHING, no links nothing but some gibberish about street fairs, like out of the blue the people going to street fairs represent a full slice of the peoples will. You must be insane. I have been to a street fair maybe 2 times, made me feel dirty like shopping at wal mart does. With that you are looking at a small population, the real issue is trust in the government to provide a service without it becoming a tax pit as every single social program has become. I fear you are to simple to understand the point, this link DOES apply to this issue.
Moving to the insults now. And just what are your qualifications again? How many polls have you overseen?

said by justncredible:

»www.cato.org/dailys/01-31-02.html

At the most 34% trust the government when it comes to social programs. Muni ran ISP is a social program, your data is skewed by the wording and placement of the questions.
Specious generalization.

said by justncredible:

I can say that without having read it, since I know how you nuts operate.
Another uncalled for insult.

said by justncredible:

Kinda like going to a gay parade and asking if being gay is normal.
Interesting comparison. More reflective of you than others.

said by justncredible:

There is no metrics in place to verify the success of any of the in place social programs, there is no data showing any good programs. Yet everyday I see in my local paper another tax payer social scam busted for stealing taxpayers money. Sessions is doing the right thing, less government is the right thing. No more taxmoneypits are needed, just plain common sense.
You're right. We should stop the handouts to multi-billion dollar corporations. Good thinking.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13556291 Thu, 02 Jun 2005 04:34:42 EDT Re: Have you voice heard! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13553995 guitarzan :
said by click_310 See Profile:

said by nixen See Profile:

Communcations of this tenor tend to be looked at as the rantings of a crank rather than a concerned, voting citizen.
Thanks for pointing that out. This proves that once in office these people turn into humorless bastards. :)
Shhh no need to put ideas on the table for them :D ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13553995 Wed, 01 Jun 2005 21:45:29 EDT Re: Such a waste of time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13553953 guitarzan :
said by Ga Dawg See Profile:

said by Brianv5 See Profile:

I guess that whole terrisom thing is over now. Nobody is unemployed. Food is abundant everywhere. Nothing else to do but make laws!
It is the legislatures job to make laws. It is NOT their job to make sure people have jobs or food.
Then why was Clinton and now Bush,up on their soapboxes
during national televised speaches.Speaking of creating new jobs for America,American's if it's NOT their job? Some how that just does not jive,now with what your saying.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13553953 Wed, 01 Jun 2005 21:39:04 EDT Re: Such a waste of time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13552558 nixen :
said by Ga Dawg See Profile:

said by nixen See Profile:

said by Ga Dawg See Profile:

said by Brianv5 See Profile:

I guess that whole terrisom thing is over now. Nobody is unemployed. Food is abundant everywhere. Nothing else to do but make laws!
It is the legislatures job to make laws. It is NOT their job to make sure people have jobs or food.
It is the legislature's job to make laws that are in the best interests of the electorate. Not sure how making it more difficult to provide technology to the electorate benefits the electorate.

And, sorry, but the electorate is composed of the people that vote the legislators into office, not the lobbyists that line legislators' pockets.

-tom
When did I say that making it more difficult to provide technology to the electorate was a benefit to the electorate? And on that note, when did I say that the electorate was composed of lobbyists?

Perhaps you should re-read what I wrote. I was commenting on some fool lamenting the fact that the legislature is making laws while there are people without jobs and food. I simply stated that it is not the legislarures job to provide those things.
You said that "it is the legislatures job to make laws". You did not qualify it to say that it was their job to make good laws or laws that were good for the electorate. You simply left it at "just make laws". That implies that, in your view, by simply causing paper with rules and regulations on them to be printed, they have properly discharged their duties.

-tom
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"Some people have morals, standards and ideals about quality, but I'm an American: I couldn't care less." --Tony Pierce (paraphrased)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13552558 Wed, 01 Jun 2005 19:09:49 EDT Re: Such a waste of time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13552350 fiberguy : Ok, I am going to stab this one..

Let me start with, I HATE LOBYISTS!!

But, a reality check... aren't lobyists tax payors too? Yes they represent businesses as well, but aren't the people that have interest in business ALSO tax payors AND electorate too?

You guys do realize that lobyists ARE part of the process don't you? Not all lobyists pay off politicians. A Lobyist is a mouth piece for a "group of people" and that group can also be an citizen group. The lobyist is just the mouth piece sent to congress to get the voice heard.

Limiting the scope on who can and can't say what to whom is actually NOT the way out founding fathers intended our government to run. If you want the common good for all people represented at all time, then may I suggest communism?

EVERYONE CAN HAVE THIER VOICE HEARD and be represented... FORM A GROUP and organize... sit back as one voice and fall into the croud of too many to be heard.

I DO have a question, do you guys really think this will pass? I am not going to give this one a second wink. I think it's nothing more than a law maker trying to get some advertising and air time for a popularity or image boost.

For the record, didn't cable tv get it start by a small group forming their own delivery system? Yup!

So, why would government try to ban the same thing in round two? Also, ban community WiFi? Give me a break.. this piece of legislation is nothing more than "if you aren't a big guy, don't try to start your own ISP because we say no. It will never make it past a judge as legal anyway.

Ask youreslf, where are these Community WiFi people supposed to get their connection to the internet from anyway? AND if they do, and offer a service, aren't they then a business, ie: competition?

This legislation is plain, flat, simple, STUPID and a waste of time. Again, a publicity booster for the idgit sponsoring it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13552350 Wed, 01 Jun 2005 18:46:08 EDT Re: Such a waste of time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13550625 NCriss : Don't you think the individual communities should get to decide if it's a waste of THEIR money or not?!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13550625 Wed, 01 Jun 2005 15:26:02 EDT Re: Such a waste of time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13550462 anon : bbrat, you provided NOTHING, no links nothing but some gibberish about street fairs, like out of the blue the people going to street fairs represent a full slice of the peoples will. You must be insane. I have been to a street fair maybe 2 times, made me feel dirty like shopping at wal mart does. With that you are looking at a small population, the real issue is trust in the government to provide a service without it becoming a tax pit as every single social program has become. I fear you are to simple to understand the point, this link DOES apply to this issue.

»www.cato.org/dailys/01-31-02.html

At the most 34% trust the government when it comes to social programs. Muni ran ISP is a social program, your data is skewed by the wording and placement of the questions. I can say that without having read it, since I know how you nuts operate. Kinda like going to a gay parade and asking if being gay is normal. There is no metrics in place to verify the success of any of the in place social programs, there is no data showing any good programs. Yet everyday I see in my local paper another tax payer social scam busted for stealing taxpayers money. Sessions is doing the right thing, less government is the right thing. No more taxmoneypits are needed, just plain common sense.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13550462 Wed, 01 Jun 2005 15:06:35 EDT Re: Such a waste of time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13550089 bbandbrat :
said by justncredible:

Sessions is doing the will of the people, the majority of people do not want muni ran services.
Please cite your resources for "the majority of people". I'd like to see national, non-push, polls or other objective measures to back your assertion. We've done polls in our community and due to the bad performance of the incumbents, we've found the vast majority support muni-efforts to increase telecommunications efforts. We are now working on a statistically valid survey to check out our polls which were taken randomly at street fairs, civic meetings, etc. Note, at the street fairs it was random, whoever walked by - so there was no cherry picking of respondants. I've provided the references for my information - provide yours.

waiting .....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13550089 Wed, 01 Jun 2005 14:19:08 EDT Re: Such a waste of time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13550045 JakCrow :
said by justncredible:

I really think this is what the people want, imagine government not wasting more money. Not raising taxes for foolish pipedreams. If we all voted on this issue it would fail. No one in a sane state of mind wants bigger government. Seems every time some crap like this gets posted a few morons come ranting about "how dare the government not spend more tax dollars" or " please I need the government to choose my ISP for me, I am to stupid to make a choice". Sessions is doing the will of the people, the majority of people do not want muni ran services.
Pure hyperbole.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13550045 Wed, 01 Jun 2005 14:13:00 EDT Re: Such a waste of time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13549663 Ga Dawg :
said by nixen See Profile:

said by Ga Dawg See Profile:

said by Brianv5 See Profile:

I guess that whole terrisom thing is over now. Nobody is unemployed. Food is abundant everywhere. Nothing else to do but make laws!
It is the legislatures job to make laws. It is NOT their job to make sure people have jobs or food.
It is the legislature's job to make laws that are in the best interests of the electorate. Not sure how making it more difficult to provide technology to the electorate benefits the electorate.

And, sorry, but the electorate is composed of the people that vote the legislators into office, not the lobbyists that line legislators' pockets.

-tom
When did I say that making it more difficult to provide technology to the electorate was a benefit to the electorate? And on that note, when did I say that the electorate was composed of lobbyists?

Perhaps you should re-read what I wrote. I was commenting on some fool lamenting the fact that the legislature is making laws while there are people without jobs and food. I simply stated that it is not the legislarures job to provide those things.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13549663 Wed, 01 Jun 2005 13:26:59 EDT Re: Have you voice heard! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13549607 anon : You got it wrong with legislation no.1 (though you got it right with no. 2). Here is the correction:

1. Preserving Innovation in Transportation Act of 2005.

Public transportation cannot have a bus stop, train station or other public transportation outlet within 2 mile radius of any home having a private transportation (car/SUV/truck/bicycle). Those areas which don't have a private transportation (including large parts of Nevada and Utah deserts) are considered 'market failure' and allowed to have public transportation.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13549607 Wed, 01 Jun 2005 13:19:01 EDT Re: Such a waste of time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13549260 anon : I really think this is what the people want, imagine government not wasting more money. Not raising taxes for foolish pipedreams. If we all voted on this issue it would fail. No one in a sane state of mind wants bigger government. Seems every time some crap like this gets posted a few morons come ranting about "how dare the government not spend more tax dollars" or " please I need the government to choose my ISP for me, I am to stupid to make a choice". Sessions is doing the will of the people, the majority of people do not want muni ran services.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13549260 Wed, 01 Jun 2005 12:44:05 EDT Re: Such a waste of time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13549142 footballdude :
said by Ga Dawg See Profile:

It is the legislatures job to make laws. It is NOT their job to make sure people have jobs or food.
In a perfect world you may be correct. In this world, the legislature's jobs are to get reelected. It makes sense that they use their influence to help those who help them.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13549142 Wed, 01 Jun 2005 12:28:25 EDT Re: Have you voice heard! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13549096 nixen : Nah, I don't think they wait that long to become humorless.

-tom]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13549096 Wed, 01 Jun 2005 12:22:38 EDT Re: Have you voice heard! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13548950 click_310 :
said by nixen See Profile:

Communcations of this tenor tend to be looked at as the rantings of a crank rather than a concerned, voting citizen.
Thanks for pointing that out. This proves that once in office these people turn into humorless bastards. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13548950 Wed, 01 Jun 2005 12:05:24 EDT Re: Have you voice heard! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13548805 nixen : Communcations of this tenor tend to be looked at as the rantings of a crank rather than a concerned, voting citizen.

-tom]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13548805 Wed, 01 Jun 2005 11:50:28 EDT Re: Such a waste of time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13548783 nixen :
said by Ga Dawg See Profile:

said by Brianv5 See Profile:

I guess that whole terrisom thing is over now. Nobody is unemployed. Food is abundant everywhere. Nothing else to do but make laws!
It is the legislatures job to make laws. It is NOT their job to make sure people have jobs or food.
It is the legislature's job to make laws that are in the best interests of the electorate. Not sure how making it more difficult to provide technology to the electorate benefits the electorate.

And, sorry, but the electorate is composed of the people that vote the legislators into office, not the lobbyists that line legislators' pockets.

-tom
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"Some people have morals, standards and ideals about quality, but I'm an American: I couldn't care less." --Tony Pierce (paraphrased)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13548783 Wed, 01 Jun 2005 11:48:10 EDT Re: Have you voice heard! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13548633 anon : Dear Congressman Pete Sessions,

I have an idea for other legislation acts which are right along your way of thinking:

1. Preserving Innovation In Transportation Act of 2005.

Nobody living within 2 mile radius of a bus stop, train station or other public transportation outlet should own or use a personal transportation device such as a car, truck or motorcycle.

2. Preserving Innovation in Nutrition Act of 2005.

Nobody living within 2 mile radius of a restaurant should be allowed to cook or otherwise prepare their own meals.

If HR2726 becomes law I can come up with many more bills similar to the above, you'll have your hands full changing the face of our communities and the nation.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13548633 Wed, 01 Jun 2005 11:29:32 EDT Re: Have you voice heard! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13548357 AirGig : Agree!!! I sent this:

I'm writing about proposed legislation H.R. 2726, ironically entitled the "Preserving Innovation in Telecom Act of 2005".

This bill will actually provide an exclusive monopolistic arena for telephone and cable companies while locking out cities from the opportunity to bootstrap themselves with a viable Internet service. This is especially true for rural and smaller communities that the telco/cable companies find econonmically unattractive. The is no good reason to legislate that a community can't help itself out!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13548357 Wed, 01 Jun 2005 10:57:52 EDT Have you voice heard! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13548208 cbrigante2 : Thanks for the link. I encourage everyone who is opposed to this to visit this link and put a quick note of opposition in there for this bill. It only takes 2 minutes, and with enough comments, who knows?

Speak out against HR2726.
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Why is abbreviate such a long word?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13548208 Wed, 01 Jun 2005 10:34:32 EDT Re: Such a waste of time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13548093 AirGig : Here's one place to register your opposition:

»energycommerce.house.gov/feedbac···feedback]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13548093 Wed, 01 Jun 2005 10:21:11 EDT Re: Such a waste of time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13548029 Ga Dawg :
said by Brianv5 See Profile:

I guess that whole terrisom thing is over now. Nobody is unemployed. Food is abundant everywhere. Nothing else to do but make laws!
It is the legislatures job to make laws. It is NOT their job to make sure people have jobs or food.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13548029 Wed, 01 Jun 2005 10:12:04 EDT Re: Such a waste of time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13547815 LegoPower77 : Where have you been for the past, oh, say 120 years?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13547815 Wed, 01 Jun 2005 09:40:53 EDT Such a waste of time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13547738 Brianv5 : I guess that whole terrisom thing is over now. Nobody is unemployed. Food is abundant everywhere. Nothing else to do but make laws!
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More power never hurt anything.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13547738 Wed, 01 Jun 2005 09:29:00 EDT