"gelding" NIS? in Security http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r13569578 en Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:16:15 EDT Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:16:15 EDT Re: "gelding" NIS? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13576675 richter35 : You truly are altruist. A lot of us can learn from you and realize life is not just about the money, it's about giving.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13576675 Sat, 04 Jun 2005 16:11:33 EDT Re: "gelding" NIS? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13576275 gracie :
said by richter35 See Profile:

Shame you refused such a great offer.
yeah, i'm funny that way ;). didn't bite when the former nigerian consulate offered me a great way to make a million dollars either. go figure.
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said by gracie See Profile:

they offered me mcafee instead; had to drink water to stop the hiccups from the laughing...
Now, that's just mean. Don't you love using your favourite ActiveX enabled browser to install/check for software updates and definitions? With super duper security check requiring username and password so you know none of your family, friends or enemies can update it unless you do so. Every cool person knows it's the only way to go. And it uses McAfee's InstantUpdate patented technology, so you can rest assured you get nothing but the best. Need to see what's going on? Just fire up Security Center. It cames in various colours - red one year, blue the next. Symantec does not offer that. Also, rumour has it 2006 will support email scanning, Windows Explorer integration, and Microsoft Outlook integration. Of course, there is so much more, like constant reminders you can buy other services as well.

Shame you refused such a great offer. :(]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13576231 Sat, 04 Jun 2005 14:54:30 EDT Re: "gelding" NIS? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13575586 gracie :
said by 2kmaro See Profile:

gracie See Profile, I'll put in my 2-cents worth (in 1964 dollars)...Why not use the free Symantec package? Because of the nightmare of uninstalling I envisioned 60 or 90 days down the road.
first off, 2kmaro, your 2 cents are always worth a lot! ;)

as for the trial, i agree, except they are giving me a FIFTEEN MONTH free license, and that wasn't something to sneeze at.

but i probably will just have them leave it off. they offered me mcafee instead; had to drink water to stop the hiccups from the laughing...
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Bought a laptop recently, it came with an offer to install NIS for a trial period of either 60 or 90 days. I didn't even bother, even though it was free. I ignored the offer to install and instead put Kaspersky Security Suite on it (anti-virus [possibly the very best], anti-spyware, and firewall as one purchase/license). I then backed up the anti-spyware segment by also installing Microsoft's free Anti-Spyware and a copy of Webroot's SpySweeper.

Why not use the free Symantec package? Because of the nightmare of uninstalling I envisioned 60 or 90 days down the road. Tell Dell, Thanks, but No Thanks - give my copy to some other unsuspecting deserving soul.
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You just reminded me, so I went and looked. Sure enough, there's a trial version of NIS 2005 on the system CD that we got with the Gigabyte motherboard for my latest home-brew machine. I was more interested in exactly how the nVidia NForce4 (firmware based firewall on the motherboard's chipset) worked, so I'd forgotten all about the NIS 2005 package. Probably just as well or I'd once again be writing rants about the recent implementations of NIS that Symantec provides. :D
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said by gracie See Profile:

spent most of yesterday dealing with the dell borg---not a pretty sight.
Captain Janeway strikes back. A bit off topic, is Dell really that intrusive with preloaded software? I've only used IBM and things included are actually useful, believe it or not. No constant connections online, unless I check for upgrades or something. Although it does load a lot of processes during bootup. Security, trackpoint and a lot of other things - those processes are probably required for software to work. Other than that, no problems whatsoever.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13574876 Sat, 04 Jun 2005 11:24:16 EDT Re: "gelding" NIS? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13574231 gracie :
said by mbhoule See Profile:

Dell *has* been cited for saying things that they regret lately.
gee, and here i was worried lately about ME being cited for saying things about dell ;). spent most of yesterday dealing with the dell borg---not a pretty sight.
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said by B See Profile:

Just remember. At least one of the top 3 Google hits for "uninstall" always points to a Symantec site.

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;) two out of three, currently...

I'm curious about their comment about the word "illegal" in regard to not preinstalling it. They actually want you to believe the local, state or federal government passed legislation specifically making the removal of Norton products against the law? Wow, this whole 'homeland security' thing is covering issues I'd never considered.

Do they actually mean, 'inconvenient, relative to cooperative marketing and promotional agreements' instead? Dell *has* been cited for saying things that they regret lately. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13573972 Sat, 04 Jun 2005 07:54:10 EDT Re: "gelding" NIS? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13573731 gracie : antdude, thanx. looks like, from what you say, too integrated.

richter35, again, thanx for the smile ;). and yes, i've had those tech support idjits plenty; betcha we all have!

as always, thanx all!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13573731 Sat, 04 Jun 2005 06:22:31 EDT Re: "gelding" NIS? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13572956 richter35 :
said by gracie See Profile:

hmm...my license says "gold" as well. but repeated emails to support resulted in the usual canned crap, etc. worth further exploration; wish i knew someone as symantec instead of just dealing with the anonymous 'tech support'.

and yes, live update works fine and my sigs are up to date as we speak.

and thanx for the smile, richter35 ;). unfortunately, the link doesn't work (maybe overloaded?) but i can guess...
Consider yourself lucky. It can be worse. You could be speaking to a person who doesn't have a slightest clue what you're talking about, then recommends you to just reformat and have a nice day. On top of it, you pay for phone call. :p

I don't know exact username, but you might want try searching for threads which refer to "latest Symantec update" in which you can catch someone from Symantec posting. Maybe he can help you?

Regarding "email" - I sent you a PM. :)

Edit: fixed qoute]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13572956 Sat, 04 Jun 2005 01:29:13 EDT Re: "gelding" NIS? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13572937 antdude :
said by gracie See Profile:

said by antdude See Profile:

I believe NIS 2005 requires its NAV to be installed
it does, but when installing fresh from the cd, i believe you can install either the whole suite, or just the NAV. but my issue is that with the whole suite pre-installed, i want to nuke everything except the NAV, and it's looking like i can't.
I am pretty sure NIS 2005 doesn't let you not install its NAV. It has been awhile since I used it though. Easy check. Run Add/Remove Programs list and see if it lets you install/uninstall its NAV from NIS 2005.
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said by EGeezer See Profile:

My customers all have "gold" maintenance and are eligible for upgrades and phone support -
hmm...my license says "gold" as well. but repeated emails to support resulted in the usual canned crap, etc. worth further exploration; wish i knew someone as symantec instead of just dealing with the anonymous 'tech support'.

and yes, live update works fine and my sigs are up to date as we speak.

and thanx for the smile, richter35 ;). unfortunately, the link doesn't work (maybe overloaded?) but i can guess...

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said by richter35 See Profile:

I believe she's able to update signatures, but doesn't have license to upgrade to newer version, or am I wrong?


My customers all have "gold" maintenance and are eligible for upgrades and phone support - the VLA pricing brings it to around $40-45 per client depending on 1 or 2 year renewals. We don't subscribe to the client security(firewall) piece. I can't speak to whether liveupdate works without that support contract. I'd assume liveupdate works or Gracie's NAV CE 8.0 sigs would be sadly out of date! ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13572034 Fri, 03 Jun 2005 23:22:27 EDT Re: "gelding" NIS? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13571936 richter35 :
said by gracie See Profile:

said by EGeezer See Profile:

I suppose this means no scotch... :(
egeezer, you KNOW i'll buy you a drink anytime!

richter35, thanx for the encouragement ;). and the sig, unfortunately, is all too true, i'm told...
LOL @ EGeezer.

I believe she's able to update signatures, but doesn't have license to upgrade to newer version, or am I wrong?

You're welcome.I enjoy your posts, and the way you help people around here is awesome.

I am sure that's not true. Just tell him to find a way to use that DSL in his advantage.

Email:

From:john@hateverizon.com
To: gracie@toobusy.com

In a link you can find a video I'd like you to see.

»www.petitions.com/discontinuebro···ight.asx

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Edit - you don't need a WIN server OS or domain to have a parent SAV server - I run one parent on a WINXP PC in a P2P net. I can update AV sigs fine and force scans etc. I just can't push out client installs of new version upgrades (client rollout function). ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13571770 Fri, 03 Jun 2005 22:49:25 EDT Re: "gelding" NIS? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13571750 gracie :
said by EGeezer See Profile:

I suppose this means no scotch... :(
egeezer, you KNOW i'll buy you a drink anytime!

richter35, thanx for the encouragement ;). and the sig, unfortunately, is all too true, i'm told...
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said by gracie See Profile:

or bat my eyelashes at the symantec guy to let me upgrade my 5-license SAV 8 to 10 ;).
It should be ok. Yes, it's preloaded but Symantec and Dell must have an licensing agreement between them so Dell customers should have proper licence, taking it's OEM version and not trial.

Hmm... maybe you could do the same with Dell guy so you can get NIS CD. I'm sure Symantec guy does not have a chance against you. Just make sure he stops at 5 licences.

Your sig is hilarious. :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13571701 Fri, 03 Jun 2005 22:41:16 EDT Re: "gelding" NIS? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13571700 gracie :
said by EGeezer See Profile:

Last install, I used Dell's recovery disks to delete the partition and load JUST the OS and drivers....SAVCE 10 is out.Works best in a domain environment though.
don't forget, this will NOT come with any recovery disks, etc. NO media at all...they are merely replacing the tower. period. with the software installed, but no media. stupid.

just can't afford the upgrade to 10 right now. i'm using version 8 on the machines in client mode, which works fine on a workgroup; i agree for server mode you might want a domain environment. i never could get the "non-scanning" problem that affects about 50 files solved by really unresponsive and unhelpful tech support, which was frustrating, since i kinda (to my surprise, never having been a symantec fan) like SAV.
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As for SAV CE, I like it - you can configure it to suit yourself. Be sure to UNINSTALL the NAV that comes on the PCs prior to SAV CE installation or you'll be dealing with bugs.

SAVCE 10 is out. I have it at one site, so far so good. Works best in a domain environment though.

NOTE - Cajole the vendor into the 10-25 VLA license for SAV CE - ASAP did that for one of my customers and then another guy got the pricing from his VAR based on ASAP's quote.

Also if you provide training or teach as part of your business, you should be eligible for educational pricing, much better than commercial.

If that works, you can buy me a drink in some cigar bar in Westchester... :D ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13571621 Fri, 03 Jun 2005 22:31:29 EDT Re: "gelding" NIS? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13571572 gracie :
said by richter35 See Profile:

Since it's legal you can download NIS from Symantec (if it is not on your computer) and then install NAV. For activation you would simply contact Symantec explaining them you're Dell customer and they should provide you (or Dell) with activation key.
thanx, guys. not sure that applies here, though. as i said, the NIS would already be installed---i just want to nuke all the parts that aren't NAV.

or bat my eyelashes at the symantec guy to let me upgrade my 5-license SAV 8 to 10 ;).
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said by antdude See Profile:

If you mean installing from nav.msi, then it won't work in the newer versions.
Why not?
said by angelique See Profile:

Just checked add/remove software in windows control panel and it gives you the option to uninstall all or just portions of NIS.
Failing that, there are ways to grab a copy of the installation media and legally obtained key. I'll leave the semantics to you, Dell, and Symantec :hmm:.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13571264 Fri, 03 Jun 2005 21:47:35 EDT Re: "gelding" NIS? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13571187 richter35 : Sorry, but that was hilarious. You're right, it's second result on Google.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13571187 Fri, 03 Jun 2005 21:36:36 EDT Re: "gelding" NIS? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13571098 B : Just remember. At least one of the top 3 Google hits for "uninstall" always points to a Symantec site.

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said by gracie See Profile:

hah! no worse than i've seen some installs of nav (especially that old 2004) do to friends' computers ;). but heck, maybe if someone from symantec sees this, they'll take pity on me and let me upgrade my SAV...i'd jump at it! ;)
You sure have a history with Norton. :D There is a user from Symantec's team who follow this board, so maybe you can sweet talk him into "enabling" you to upgrade to v10. :p

I am not sure, but as far as I recall there is option during uninstall to remove everything or just one part, but I am not sure if it's remove antivirus/remove all or was it remove NIS (without NAV)/Remove all. I haven't used NIS in a long time so I don't know.

Does Dell leave setup files lying around? For example, IBM leaves all application setup in one folder, and drivers in other. So if I uninstall something that came with computer I can always install again. I've never used Dell, but if that is the case, maybe you don't need that CD after all.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13570615 Fri, 03 Jun 2005 20:28:57 EDT Re: "gelding" NIS? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13570249 gracie :
said by richter35 See Profile:

Let's hope someone from Symantec does not find out what are you planning to do with their "baby".
hah! no worse than i've seen some installs of nav (especially that old 2004) do to friends' computers ;). but heck, maybe if someone from symantec sees this, they'll take pity on me and let me upgrade my SAV...i'd jump at it! ;)
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said by TheJoker See Profile:

You said that you have Symantec Corp on the LAN at work? Can you use that?
i guess i wasn't clear. i AM using that---it's version 8; we have 5 licenses. "work" is me and my partners. it's our pocket ;). i've been told i shouldn't still be using 8, so this looked like a good solution to try before laying out the money for an upgrade.
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said by antdude See Profile:

I believe NIS 2005 requires its NAV to be installed
it does, but when installing fresh from the cd, i believe you can install either the whole suite, or just the NAV. but my issue is that with the whole suite pre-installed, i want to nuke everything except the NAV, and it's looking like i can't.

back to the search for a new AV ;). or just keep using SAV 8 and accept it's annoying tendency to not be able to scan about 50 files, not all in use (decompression problems, etc.) other that that problem, i've been fine with SAV, and we have 5 licenses and unexpiring updates (just not upgrades). and dealing with symantec tech support is...well...there are no words ;).
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said by angelique See Profile:

I'm not sure about the trial version but the full version of NIS 2005 allows you to choose what gets installed, NIS NAV or both
gracie See Profile wrote... "but dell refuses (they actually say it would be illegal for them) to just install the AV portion. and will not send me the cds so i can uninstall and then just install the av."

iow, it's coming pre-installed

edit in: ah, redundancy...
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said by angelique See Profile:

I'm not sure about the trial version but the full version of NIS 2005 allows you to choose what gets installed, NIS NAV or both.
yes, angelique, i do know that. the point was that NIS will be installed already, and then i want to "castrate" it...remove everything except NAV. if they would send me the cds, i know i can do it, but without them...
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said by redxii See Profile:

Normally the NIS firewall and NAV setups are different. You can actually browse the CD (if it's a CD) and pick out the NAV installer. Normally Symantec's suites have a common interface, and their components (firewall and anti-virus in this case) "plug-in".
If you mean installing from nav.msi, then it won't work in the newer versions.
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said by angelique See Profile:

I'm not sure about the trial version but the full version of NIS 2005 allows you to choose what gets installed, NIS NAV or both.
I believe NIS 2005 requires its NAV to be installed.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13569920 Fri, 03 Jun 2005 18:53:23 EDT Re: "gelding" NIS? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13569851 gracie :
said by redxii See Profile:

Post-setup is a bit different. Even though I could isolate, and install NAV separately, getting it to work properly has been a different story.
thanx, rexii1234! that's just as i suspected, but having no experience with NIS i couldn't tell. why the idiot dell borg won't just send me the cd i don't know, but there it is. since they are "replacing" a machine, no software media---even though NIS wasn't included in the original (that had NAV 2003, which lasted about 30 seconds here ;)).

my SAV license is for 8 with unlimited updates but not upgrades, and was trying to save a bit of $ by not having to upgrade it. after the aggro i've had with dell over this machine, i just hated to not get whatever i could from them ;). but headaches (i should say 'more headaches') i don't need.
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Post-setup is a bit different. Even though I could isolate, and install NAV separately, getting it to work properly has been a different story. It may just be my bad luck with the consumer products of Symantec. Their corp AVs are by far more reliable (hmmm...).
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said by boblandy See Profile:

so why let 'free' skew your thinking?
are you kidding? you don't know me very well ;).

said by boblandy See Profile:

coming from a NAV fan, i still say, given the complexities of what you are proposing, don't even bother
really? it's that hard to tell it not to use the other components? i have little experience with suites except as a beta tester for a large, shall-remain-nameless-due-to-nda firewall company, and there, you can pick and choose among the components. if i'm forced to use norton's firewall, etc. i will pass, but i would have liked to give nav 2005 a run.

thanx, boblandy, as always, for your take on this!
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Creating & Hosting SuperSites Worldwide]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13569716 Fri, 03 Jun 2005 18:31:25 EDT Re: "gelding" NIS? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13569670 boblandy : my first instinct is to suggest that you forget it.

just pass on it.

you even said yourself you are not a NAV fan.

so why let 'free' skew your thinking?

coming from a NAV fan, i still say, given the complexities of what you are proposing, don't even bother
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look out kid they keep it all hid]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13569670 Fri, 03 Jun 2005 18:27:54 EDT "gelding" NIS? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13569578 gracie : (figured the word "castrating" in a topic might be impolite ;) but that's what i mean): dell is replacing a problematic computer finally, and has offered to install norton internet security with anti-spy 2005. now, we use symantec corporate on this lan, and i've not been a fan of norton's av, but am willing to give it shot since there's a free trial, BUT i do NOT want the firewall, the anti-spam, or the anti-spyware components as we have other solutions for these that i FAR prefer. but dell refuses (they actually say it would be illegal for them) to just install the AV portion. and will not send me the cds so i can uninstall and then just install the av.

is there a way to 'castrate' the NIS installation so that the portions i don't want are uninstalled but the AV still works? or is it too integrated? i will probably just tell them to leave the whole thing off, but thought i'd check here first. even if i end up not using it at all, i know others who feel as i do that the AV might be acceptable, but the other components aren't our favorites. thanx!
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