worthless in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r13646565 en Sun, 06 Dec 2009 13:29:29 EDT Sun, 06 Dec 2009 13:29:29 EDT Re: worthless http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13656730 oliphant : MuniBB starts going where there is significant CONSTITUENT DEMAND for them to be there. More often than not it takes democratic action (voting on the bond issuance etc) to get these rolling which is why we see all of the incumbent money being spent on advertising saying like a Jedi Mind Trick "No, you don't want choice, you don't want better service..."
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Life is good without the headache of Comcrap HSI]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13656730 Tue, 14 Jun 2005 16:28:09 EDT Re: worthless http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13656169 anon : That is completely true, I have yet to see a MuniBB start up where there wasn't already an Incumbent. At least in all the cases where I've dealt with it personally. I'm sure there are Munis out there with pure intentions, but mostly they're there to drive someone else out.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13656169 Tue, 14 Jun 2005 15:22:30 EDT Re: worthless http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13648483 KoolMoe : NM, Oliphant covered my points
KM]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13648483 Mon, 13 Jun 2005 16:47:31 EDT Re: worthless http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13648461 oliphant : Public schools compete against private. The USPS competes with Fedex, UPS and DHL. Private security patrols compete with police. Public transit competes with private transit. Private hospitals complete with public hospitals.

There are plenty of areas where gov't completes directly or indirectly against private sector business.
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Life is good without the headache of Comcrap HSI]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13648461 Mon, 13 Jun 2005 16:45:52 EDT Re: worthless http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13648367 footballdude : I thought the government was constrained against direct competition with private business?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13648367 Mon, 13 Jun 2005 16:35:10 EDT Re: worthless http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13648085 techie :
said by footballdude See Profile:

said by oliphant See Profile:

Which they may if he got his way which I think is the point of the criticism.
You really think muni broadband in out of the way townships is having any real effect on SBCs financials?
No, I think the guy wanting muni BB banned and him having half a mil in stocks with SBC is just a huge coincidence, we all know he's looking out for the good of the people, and that less competition = more innovation.

:uhh:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13648085 Mon, 13 Jun 2005 16:03:10 EDT Re: worthless http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13648073 oliphant : Munis are to provide services whether there is other competition or not. --
Life is good without the headache of Comcrap HSI]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13648073 Mon, 13 Jun 2005 16:01:27 EDT Re: worthless http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13647627 footballdude :
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I doubt that SBC would consider cities like San Francisco out of the way townships.
I thought the whole idea of munis was to wire places that weren't being served by the telcos. I would think SF is being well served by SBC.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13647627 Mon, 13 Jun 2005 15:05:35 EDT Re: worthless http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13647190 oliphant : I doubt that SBC would consider cities like San Francisco out of the way townships. »SBC opposes San Francisco Muni BB
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Life is good without the headache of Comcrap HSI]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13647190 Mon, 13 Jun 2005 14:08:00 EDT Re: worthless http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13647186 SRFireside : SBC apparently thinks so. At least they see the potential for unwanted competition. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13647186 Mon, 13 Jun 2005 14:07:32 EDT Re: worthless http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13647109 footballdude :
said by oliphant See Profile:

Which they may if he got his way which I think is the point of the criticism.
You really think muni broadband in out of the way townships is having any real effect on SBCs financials?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13647109 Mon, 13 Jun 2005 13:55:12 EDT Re: worthless http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13646672 oliphant : Which they may if he got his way which I think is the point of the criticism.
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Life is good without the headache of Comcrap HSI]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13646672 Mon, 13 Jun 2005 12:53:38 EDT worthless http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13646565 footballdude : Stock options are worthless if the stock price doesn't go up. SBC's stock hasn't moved in five years. That's why the guy is still holding on to the options and hasn't cashed them in yet. If you buy a half million worth of stock and sell it for a half million, that's not exactly an incentive to be someone's champion.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13646565 Mon, 13 Jun 2005 12:37:59 EDT