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Im against it

Hey fiber is not obsolete , I would hate to tell you this but both wifi and wimax are useless for large amounts of data.

Fiber moves light which is much faster then radio waves(which wimax and wifi use). To say that fiber is obsolete is a statement which bears no merit. If it had merit then we would have wi fi and wi max all over the world. We would be using wireless to transport al the backbone traffic over it also.

No wait that was a half assed comment you made with no merit, and very little understanding of the world of this important thing called physics.
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reply to animeorb
That is totally incorrect. LUS has not even announced speeds yet.

reply to animeorb
animeorb,

I don't know where you get your ideas but nothing in this post is true.

LUS will not limit broadband speed to 1 meg. (That's nuts. They will have to compete and have promised faster speeds than the competition at the same price point.)

Of course we will pay for it: by purchasing service. (That's the idea. LUS builds, peopole pay for the service, they use the revenue to pay back the revenue bonds.)

LUS will not "dig up all the yards." (Where electrical service is aerial, on poles, so will the fiber service be. When that service is already buried then LUS will bury it.)

Fiber has everything to do with the future. Every provder including BellSouth and Cox is planning on fiber to the home "eventually" --That is, when it is profitable for them on a 2-4 year payback. Fiber at its max will always be faster than wireless at its max. There is basic physics involved. WiFi and WiMax, ONLY make sense where they are built on the back of a robust, dense, fiber network that has the capacity to fund the nodes without too radical a division of available bandwidth between users. (There is a reason why Seattle has begun pushing for a fiber network and is explicitly rejecting a wi-fi network until the necesary fiber infrastructure to make it useful has been built.)

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Radio waves are people too

"radio waves to x-rays -- travel at the speed of light. In empty space this speed is approximately 300,000 kilometers per second!"

The radio waves will deflect off items and bounce slowing them down (x-ray theory). A good piece of fiber has a very high purity level which makes the light travel at a considerably faster speed then any wi fi signal can travel. Because the glass as a medium is comparable to a "vacuum" with very little loss and we actually know the loss levels, hybrid fibers which use special doping can actually reduce the refraction rate of the carrier itself.

Now we can also take a look at wifi in general and why it is a bad idea... less secure using the public protocols, Distance limited, frequency limited, prone to emi and the reasons go on and on. Wifi and wimax offer nothing but local area connections and you still need to run fiber to it to support the speeds you want.

btw phuntism I know that and for all purposes this thing called physics changes that drastically in the real world.
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Re: Radio waves are people too

reply to BosstonesOwn
Ok, I agree with your first, third and fourth paragraphs, (and in reference to your fourth paragraph, my physics is mostly textbook as opposed to industry specific, so I made a few assumptions in my post, like fiber using standard glass, ).

Your second paragraph is interesting. Aside from internet and communications and all that, are you saying that light in fiber travels much faster than in glass and almost as fast as light through air, or are you saying that it is actually faster than light traveling through air (same distance, no reflections, clear Fresnel zone)?

Either way, I don't think it really matters, but I was wondering.

Would you agree that it's the wavelength that matters most in these cases?
I looked it up and (depending on what frequency you pick of course) visible light's wavelength is about 200,000 times shorter than radio waves, meaning there are that many more wave crests per second to represent 1's and 0's. At least that's the way I've read how it works.

Edit: fixed typo

More then agree its the wavelength that matters. But the facts are there is little to no interference in the fiber to slow down the waves, what happens is , in very good fiber anyway, the light actually slows down a shade over about 55 miles so a splice is made to actually shifts the light to keep it moving at peak speeds. And prevent harmonics from destroying the data integrity. And probably the fiber if they had pushed enough threw.

Some fiber is doped with a special acrylic that can actually increase the speed of certain shades. One is the blue shade , since every shade moves at different speeds your actually limited to the wavelength, but because of the special dopes it can be almost as fast as through air. I think it's some where around 99.995 % or there about. While wifi based waves are somewhere in the 80 % on clear days with no interference because of reflection off other things such as buildings and walls even off a table. Not to mention the wave lengths you need to send data as fast as fiber you would probably end up microwaving a city slowly.

With fiber the electronics are the problem , with wifi based anything you have to worry about the delay introduced by the antenna and then by the wire length and resistance, then into the circuitry. Over many hops that becomes a problem. Fiber only has the problem with the electronics, and the new interconnects that they are using to produce all in 1 chips are bringing that problem to an end.

Last point you are dead on right , that is yet another reason why it will never carry as much data as fiber. Unless they figure out a way to transmit light to an area in a better way (lasers did not work well) then we run into the same problem.

BTW thanks for helping me straighten out my answer I did not think it all out before typing the first response to that guy.
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Re: Radio waves are people too

Both electromagnetic waves, both travel at the speed of light, but not the same thing.
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