| Mccain ready for his presidential election run... Its true. He putting himself everywhere. I myself like Mccain, he's very moderate, and not super right wing. We need a president whos neither left nor right, we need a man inbetween, and thats why I say Mccain 08! |
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 pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
1 edit | said by FTCXtreme:Its true. He putting himself everywhere. I myself like Mccain, he's very moderate, and not super right wing. McCain is not going to win the presidency as a Republican. He lost the 2000 primaries because he had no support in the Republican conservative base. The recent deal he struck in the Senate in which he sold out some of GWB's judicial nominees is not going to win him any votes in the conservative base in 2008 either. However, he could probably win if he ran as a Democrat because there are a lot of Democrats who like him.
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DirtyMic
join:2003-11-19
Pompano Beach, FL | I consider myself democrat, and I would vote for him no matter what ticket he was on. |
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I think McCain could probably garner support from the right off-center masses, even running as a democrat. He certainly has my vote should he chose to run.
In other posts, I've championed municipal broadband, particularly wireless, for the positive socioeconomic effects that we're all familiar with. This is the sort of thing that vilifies the entire Republican party, and it's embarrassing for those of us who lean right for the right reasons. |
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Primis1
join:2005-06-13
Coldwater, MI | reply to pnh102
Re: Mccain ready for his presidential election run I don't know that he would/will have much of a shot on either ticket really, but yeah. McCain's a rare breed in DC. Not so much for a moderate status or anything even as much as his making a nuisance of himself where nuisances often need to be made. Even if nobody else wants much to do with it.
I do think you underestimate McCain's Republican appeal a bit though... |
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Re: Mccain ready for his presidential election run... I think you're underestimating just how "who ya know/party party party" the democrats are. McCain would be a wonderful nominee from either party and would obviously, I think, dominate a national election. However, democrats have been electing predictable party head nodders since ... well I think since FDR. Even Carter had been deeply invested in official party politics.
I think the shots of McCain winning the nomination have improved. I think health issues and the amount of money Bush had thrown behind him won him the primary in 2000, not the conservative base. The truth is the conservative base, just like the democratic base, votes with the money most of the time. I think this time, McCain could probably get the investment to be the party favorite. |
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join:2000-12-17
Naperville, IL
kudos:4 | reply to faberoptic6
I'm a fairly middle of the road Republican and I'd vote for McCain any day. It wouldn't be a lesser of two evils kind of voting either, as I did the last election. |
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RadioDoc58ef2c0Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11 | reply to Primis1
Re: Mccain ready for his presidential election run said by Primis1:I do think you underestimate McCain's Republican appeal a bit though... Appeal is one thing, clout is another. He has it, and hopefully will start using it more. |
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RadioDoc58ef2c0Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11 | reply to broadbanderexpanderc
Re: Mccain ready for his presidential election run... said by broadbanderexpanderc:
However, democrats have been electing predictable party head nodders since ... well I think since FDR. Yeah, Kennedy was certainly boring...  |
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DirtyMic
join:2003-11-19
Pompano Beach, FL | oooh nice catch |
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No, he certainly wasn't boring.
But he was a party politician. Well, until he got elected. |
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Re: Mccain ready for his presidential election run said by DirtyMic:I consider myself democrat, and I would vote for him no matter what ticket he was on. Bingo I second that!
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joshpo
join:2002-09-24
Collingswood, NJ | reply to pnh102
Re: Mccain ready for his presidential election run... He could win if he ran as a Nazi, The average joe on both sides of the spectrum loves him. You don't need the wingnuts to win an election you need the center. |
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Re: Mccain ready for his presidential election run I am a 5th generation Republican and I find myself voting less and less for the party. |
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 gogeta6
join:2002-06-20
San Diego, CA | reply to DirtyMic
Re: Mccain ready for his presidential election run... ditto
It's nice to see there are at least a few people in government who aren't total chodes when it comes to internet/tech issues. |
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pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD | reply to Primis1
Re: Mccain ready for his presidential election run said by Primis1:I do think you underestimate McCain's Republican appeal a bit though... McCain has very little if any appeal as a "Republican." Bush smoked him in just about every primary in 2000. The only primaries in which McCain did well were open primaries. He is just not popular with the conservative wing of the Republican party.
Republicans who reach out to the Left don't do well when they run for President. George H. W. Bush in 1992 and Bob Dole in 1996 are great examples of this. Both candidates alienated the conservative wing of the party and went down in flames.
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Re: Mccain ready for his presidential election run... said by joshpo:You don't need the wingnuts to win an election you need the center. That was true twenty years ago. There isn't much left in the center anymore. Why do you think both parties are embracing their hard core people more and more?
McCain missed his chance when he attacked the Christian right. A circus clown could beat him in the Republican primaries now. |
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 tapeloopNot bad at all, really.Premium
join:2004-06-27
Airstrip One
kudos:1 | reply to pnh102
Re: Mccain ready for his presidential election run said by pnh102:said by Primis1:I do think you underestimate McCain's Republican appeal a bit though... McCain has very little if any appeal as a "Republican." Bush smoked him in just about every primary in 2000. The only primaries in which McCain did well were open primaries. He is just not popular with the conservative wing of the Republican party. Of course, that good ol' down-and-dirty Rove campaigning style helps. Thanks to--you guessed it: PUSH POLLING!--more than a few people in SC thought that, among other things, McCain had fathered an illegitimate black (gasp!) child. (Must have confused him with Strom Thurmond.  )
Republicans who reach out to the Left don't do well when they run for President. George H. W. Bush in 1992 and Bob Dole in 1996 are great examples of this. Both candidates alienated the conservative wing of the party and went down in flames.
Not disagreeing with you, but it's still a sad reflection of politics today. It would seem that everything is polarized to the point that simply even talking to the "other side" is tantamount to political self-destruction.  |
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pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD | said by tapeloop:Of course, that good ol' down-and-dirty Rove campaigning style helps. Thanks to--you guessed it: PUSH POLLING!--more than a few people in SC thought that, among other things, McCain had fathered an illegitimate black (gasp!) child. (Must have confused him with Strom Thurmond. ) McCain campaigned just as dirty as Bush did in the 2000 primaries. He was behind a push-poll in Michigan which accused George W. Bush of being anti-Catholic. But as for alienating the religious right which make up the bulk of the Republican party, McCain did that on his own without any "help."
Any Republican running for national office must have the votes of the Religious Right or else he/she will lose. If you look at most previous Republican victories for the presidency, you will notice the margin of victory was much higher when the candidate running campaigned from the right than from the center (Reagan in 1980 and 1984, George H. W. Bush in 1988, George W. Bush in 2004).
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pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD | reply to broadbanderexpanderc
Re: Mccain ready for his presidential election run... said by broadbanderexpanderc:
McCain would be a wonderful nominee from either party and would obviously, I think, dominate a national election. I never said McCain could never win the presidency at all. I just said he would never win if he ran as a Republican, mainly because he won't ever get the nomination. I don't know how well he would do if he ran as a Democrat.
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