Re: In order for it to succeed.. in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r13817929 en Fri, 27 Nov 2009 19:13:50 EDT Fri, 27 Nov 2009 19:13:50 EDT Re: In order for it to succeed.. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13824554 anon : The success of iTunes has spoken, people will buy into DRM---

Um, don't think the few million in sales iTunes even comes near the CD sales marks, iTunes was simply the first to do it simply for morons. Nevermind the catchy ads, I've had many friends lose iTunes material once the ipod battery dies, how do you rectify that? with a cd or mp3, you haven't that problem. also, who's to say they aren't purposely making crappy batteries that force this situation(and up iTunes sales to fools paying twice for the same limited bogus content).

Same goes to movies, once the mega chains get outfitted with HD cams that show films, clearly, with high res content(higher than DVD), better managed sound(the yokels at my local theater couldnt setup a pair of headphones right), GOOD seating, not just barely better than b4(note the wake your ass up chair you sat in for 2+ hrs), reasonable prices for drinks and snacks, $6.50 for a hotdog, gimme a friggin break. Until this fundamental greed change happens, you can kiss the theater experience goodbye, they've bilked us saps for way too long and cannot understand our ire. My bud spent the equivalent of a movie night out once a month, for one year, for his family of 4 on building a home theater ROOM on his house. and let me tell you, it blows the doors off any theater that isn't IMAX. HD projector and all, 10 foot screen, and 8.1 sound, and some seriously sweet HT lounge chairs that caress the ass into thinking it went to heaven! It's amazing what you can do with money when you don't throw it blindly at someone dangling overpriced candy you can't really eat in front of your face(hollywood+chains).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13824554 Wed, 06 Jul 2005 11:15:01 EDT Re: In order for it to succeed.. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13819117 andyb :
said by LilYoda See Profile:

The problem is that you could burn 20 copies and sell 20 copies.

They could either make the file burnable once only,
i could see that happening but not till they make a dvdr thats gaurantee'd not to fail.be a bitch if your burn failed and you have to repurchase it]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13819117 Tue, 05 Jul 2005 16:52:52 EDT Re: In order for it to succeed.. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13819006 LilYoda :
said by djrobx See Profile:

Making theatrical releases available to home video won't happen anytime soon. They will not cannibalize the box office cash cow.
I think they have canibalized it already, with movies coming out in DVD 3 to 4 months after their theatrical release...
But that's just MHO]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13819006 Tue, 05 Jul 2005 16:39:38 EDT Re: In order for it to succeed.. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13818026 djrobx :
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I'll pay 24.99 at the checkout line at blockbuster, if I can get it TODAY
Making theatrical releases available to home video won't happen anytime soon. They will not cannibalize the box office cash cow.
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I must OWN in, and be able to RESELL it ... [snip] ... No damn DRM, or restrictions, or time limits ... [snip] ... That's where the future is. It's not adding more restrictions.
I disagree. The future is more DRM and more restrictions. The success of iTunes has spoken, people will buy into DRM restricted material. As much as we'd like to think the pirates can crack anything, schemes WILL get tougher. DirecTV piracy, for example, has been dark for a while now. Hardware based DRM is coming. The only way you're going to be able to get away from DRM is to use old technology (CD and DVD, or whatever the last "cracked" geneartion of DRM was). The industries will be looking to stop production of new material on those insecure formats as soona as possible.

And no, I don't like it one bit.
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said by G_Poobah See Profile:

#3: No damn DRM, or restrictions, or time limits. I paid 24.99 for the movie, it had damn well better be a regular, unprotected DVD. "Oh no, he'll rip it off and resell it'. Sheesh, get over it you dumbasses at hollywood. I'll do that anyway if I want to. What you can do by pricing it correctly is take away the MARKET of people I could resell it to. Your greed will be your downfall. People will pay for what they feel they are getting a value for. I have ZERO QUALMS about buying a perfect DVD bootleg copy of my favorite TV shows (Sopranos) for 20.00 vs. the 100.00 per season you are trying to rip me off. Guess what, China produces em cheaper, and I'll buy from china. Set your price right, and you will put china out of business.


I think DVD's should be released very close to the "movie release" date. (Idea) Price the DVD close to what it would cost 3 people to see the move (maybe add cost of a drink). Now if the pricing is right, the majority of people will purchase rather than download that first run movie. Will there still be those who download for free sure, but they would be their even if the movie was 10 cents.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13817984 Tue, 05 Jul 2005 14:24:22 EDT Re: In order for it to succeed.. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13817929 LilYoda :
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#2: I must OWN in, and be able to RESELL it.
a) again, using 'War of the Worlds'. I thought it sucked. I would want to be able to sell it to someone else the day after. Why? I paid for it, I should be able to recover some of my costs. If I download it, I can burn it to DVD. Period.

The problem is that you could burn 20 copies and sell 20 copies.

They could either make the file burnable once only, or give the option to resell your right to the file for 80% of what you paid for it. Then the second guy can resell for 80% of what *he* paid, etc... until the price of the file drops to let's say 50% of the original sale price.
Then the price doesn't drop anymore, but 20% of the money goes back to the hollywood studio, and still 80% to the seller (this to avoid people buying the movie at $5 and reselling it at $5 infinitely)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13817929 Tue, 05 Jul 2005 14:17:08 EDT Re: In order for it to succeed.. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13817838 nasadude :
said by G_Poobah See Profile:

Ok, everyone says 'on demand' and 'protected'. That's just another word for rip-off.

What do I, the consumer expect?

#1: It must save me money..
I'm with you on that one, but my desires are a little different:

I am willing to pay $10-12 for a first run (eg, War of the Worlds), one-time view, HD video file that I can watch on my HD tv. They can have DRM, but not this crap that makes you watch it within a certain period of time; if I download it and it's a week before I watch it, so be it. Once I'm done watching it can disappear, but not until then.

This is why DRM is doomed to failure - it can't possibly cover all the different desires of customers. Represented here are just two, widely differing desires; how many more variations are out there that would have to be satisfied to make a customer buy?

If the movie industry doesn't get it's sh1t together, they gonna be gone soon.

BTW, I don't go to movies anymore, I rarely rent DVDs and I never buy DVDs. I watch movies when they come out on cable/sat...or, when I start being able to download them.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13817838 Tue, 05 Jul 2005 14:05:11 EDT In order for it to succeed.. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13817693 G_Poobah : Ok, everyone says 'on demand' and 'protected'. That's just another word for rip-off.

What do I, the consumer expect?

#1: It must save me money..
a) Using 'War of the Worlds (crappy movie btw)' as a sample, I'll pay 24.99 at the checkout line at blockbuster, if I can get it TODAY. If I can avoid going to the theatre, I'll pay a 5.00 premium to get the movie today, and watch at home. Price it too high, I don't see a value, and I won't buy it.

#2: I must OWN in, and be able to RESELL it.
a) again, using 'War of the Worlds'. I thought it sucked. I would want to be able to sell it to someone else the day after. Why? I paid for it, I should be able to recover some of my costs. If I download it, I can burn it to DVD. Period.

#3: No damn DRM, or restrictions, or time limits. I paid 24.99 for the movie, it had damn well better be a regular, unprotected DVD. "Oh no, he'll rip it off and resell it'. Sheesh, get over it you dumbasses at hollywood. I'll do that anyway if I want to. What you can do by pricing it correctly is take away the MARKET of people I could resell it to. Your greed will be your downfall. People will pay for what they feel they are getting a value for. I have ZERO QUALMS about buying a perfect DVD bootleg copy of my favorite TV shows (Sopranos) for 20.00 vs. the 100.00 per season you are trying to rip me off. Guess what, China produces em cheaper, and I'll buy from china. Set your price right, and you will put china out of business.

#4: Of course, if you follow the first 3, you've destroyed your 'aftermarket', or as george lucas is so fond of saying 'I'll change a scene and rape you again star wars super special directors cut now with tint control' (if you're old enough to remember oliver, you'll remember the tint control joke). Get over it.

That's where the future is. It's not adding more restrictions, or trying to stop the hackers. It's providing a good value, which is something you've lost hollywood.
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