 FLECOMBay Networks FreakPremium
join:2003-03-03
Miami, FL
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Re: Oh No interference!! if your microwave is leaking enough to mess with your wireless and cellphones, you probably want to replace it immedietly... that is unless you dont value your sperm... and would like cancer... but hey... you like interference!
lemme go get a 2kW linear and tx right outside your house so all your tv's scream out anything i transmit, but you wont complain, since its just silly interference... or maybe you have DSS... maybe your neighbor should plant a tree in front of your dish, but no worries, its just mister interference again!
sometimes i wish people would understand that BPL is just a stupid technology that simply wont really work... the only reason many power companies are looking at it is for meter reading, not internet access... they want to be able to fire all the meter readers and just read your meter whenever they like... yay more technology that can send more of our jobs overseas...
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| I knew someone would bring up meter-reading. BPL has nothing to do with meter-reading. Most, if not all, of the co-ops in Tennessee have been reading the meters via the connection for years.
A low speed connection is possible across powerlines, always has been. You do not have to bypass a transformer to get a reading off the meter. |
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FLECOMBay Networks FreakPremium
join:2003-03-03
Miami, FL Reviews:
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| well, if there is a cheaper way rather than BPL im sure my craptastic powercompany would be looking into it... right now they still do regular meters and some of the newer areas have the ir meters... but they are looking into bpl or something to that effect to read them...
and im very curious how you would propigate a signal through a tx? please explain |
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said by FLECOM:the only reason many power companies are looking at it is for meter reading, not internet access... i love this place That and total control. A real example and I thank GOD I've been lucky as of yet to deal with that comming nightmare.
Remote meter reading,while it's a new technique in some areas.Has been the modius operarandi a few years in my area.Now the only bad part of this equation is when/if the remote readers have a failure on either end.I inquired about that possibilty.The response to that is as follows:
The customer will be charged full kilowatt rate.The price I don't know as it's different from company to company,State to state..Here's the kicker.I asked why full rate and what is full rate?.? Since we can't determine exactly when it failed.We must charge full kilowatt usage.They couldn't?wouldn't? give me the price for full month kilowatt usage rate.Surely they determined a max x amount of usage.There must be an x amout of $$.Then what is cost of max x? Still unknown due to "to many varibiales"
Until we can determine your monthly kilowatt hours for an average.Then any money over charged will be applied in credit to the monthly bill.Doesn't sound very customer friendly to me.
Imagine, That may take a year? maybe two? to get cash paid. Back as an credit applied as a monthly adjustment.In another word the customer can take a screwin' on this.I'd prefer seeing the meter man/woman. |
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I will do better. Automatic meter reading, that is the name of the systems.
Some of the area water systems also use it. I do not know if the gas suppliers do or not. Anything that is meter read can be done. The connection is less than 1000kbps. It doesnt need to be fast to send a few numbers across the lines from each address. |
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 P NessYou'Ve Forgotten 9-11 AlreadyPremium
join:2001-08-29
way way out | reply to FLECOM
said by FLECOM:lemme go get a 2kW linear and tx right outside your house so all your tv's scream out anything i transmit, but you wont complain, since its just silly interference... or maybe you have DSS... maybe your neighbor should plant a tree in front of your dish, but no worries, its just mister interference again! ...you did not get it huh? you are one person now attempting to block services to one person.
I am talking about the needs of many vs the needs of few. there are hard choices that need to be made but everyone cannot have it so sometimes the survival of the fitest (product) must preval when two products are both "wanted".
..oh and i was talking about the 900mhz phone and my router, not my verizon wireless handset...
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FLECOMBay Networks FreakPremium
join:2003-03-03
Miami, FL Reviews:
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| again, if your microwave is messing with your 900mhz phone and your router, you got serious problems!
anyhow, as licenced operators on those bands if we 'accedentally' mess up bpl, they have to deal with it...
anyhow, bpl is being pushed as something great, it really isnt, its just so the telcos can get enough of a window to get de-regulated and then bpl can die its own death... |
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N3EVL
join:2004-12-13
Shrewsbury, MA | reply to P Ness
Do you really expect ALL of the users affected by this interference to buy this "needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" crap?
What gives you the right to trample over the irreplaceble natural resource as represented by the HF spectrum and the low-infrastructure worldwide communications it makes possible?
I'll fight long and hard to protect my licensed rights to the little bit of HF that I'm granted access to by part 97 and anticipate the users of the rest of the HF spectrum that this sorry technology would trash would do likewise.
Whether or not you have a RIGHT to broadand is an interesting subject to debate -but- I do NOT recognize your right to have broadband AT ANY COST. |
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If the microwave is running across 900mhz & 2.4Ghz, I think I would replace it. If his phone is 2.4, it isnt that bad of a deal. The microwave would need to run constantly for years before you would be able to identify that as the presursor to health problems. |
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 63353372Premium
join:2003-06-18
Canada
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Nevermind... |
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| said by 63353372:said by N3EVL:Do you really expect ALL of the users affected by this interference to buy this "needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" crap? What gives you the right to trample over the irreplaceble natural resource as represented by the HF spectrum and the low-infrastructure worldwide communications it makes possible? I'll fight long and hard to protect my licensed rights to the little bit of HF that I'm granted access to by part 97 and anticipate the users of the rest of the HF spectrum that this sorry technology would trash would do likewise. Whether or not you have a RIGHT to broadand is an interesting subject to debate -but- I do NOT recognize your right to have broadband AT ANY COST. How do you determine you have a right to your ancient, shitty technology that no one else gives a f*ck about? It's been said a million times here, but bears repeating.... ham radio uses only 10% of the spectrum affected by HF BPL. The rest is government, military, maritime, aeronautical, and international broadcast.
I realize you're a troll, but have you looked at how crappy BPL technology is before you go throwing stones? Of all the broadband delivery methods, it's the sloppiest and least reliable built on the shakiest regulations and most unsuitable, oldest transport medium. |
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N3EVL
join:2004-12-13
Shrewsbury, MA | reply to 63353372
Sounds like the last gasp attempt to justify a failed technology that couldn't escape into denial any longer and is now blatantly attempting to bulldoze its way through any legitimate opposition.
I see no need to justify the current state of Amatur Radio technology to self-styled "techies" - there is abundant reading material that would convince you otherwise, should you have the mental capacity to do the necessary research.
My justification to transmit and receive on the affected frequencies is clearly defined in Part 97. Similarly the limitiations under which BPL must operate are clearly defined in Part 15.
If the BPL industry is relying on shyster legal tricks to gain a foothold in the market (having apparently abandoned any attempt at selling itself on its technical merits - and who can blame it?) then it is indeed in deep trouble - such strategies are likely to be ponderously slow and we can all hope that BPL is left in its own legal dust as better technologies overtake it. |
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said by 63353372:How do you determine you have a right to your ancient, shitty technology that no one else gives a f*ck about? Ham radio is under Part 97 of the Code of Federal Regulations. BPL is under Part 15. Read up. |
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FLECOMBay Networks FreakPremium
join:2003-03-03
Miami, FL Reviews:
·AT&T DSL Service
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said by 63353372:said by N3EVL:Do you really expect ALL of the users affected by this interference to buy this "needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" crap? What gives you the right to trample over the irreplaceble natural resource as represented by the HF spectrum and the low-infrastructure worldwide communications it makes possible? I'll fight long and hard to protect my licensed rights to the little bit of HF that I'm granted access to by part 97 and anticipate the users of the rest of the HF spectrum that this sorry technology would trash would do likewise. Whether or not you have a RIGHT to broadand is an interesting subject to debate -but- I do NOT recognize your right to have broadband AT ANY COST. How do you determine you have a right to your ancient, shitty technology that no one else gives a f*ck about? you mean that ancient shitty technology that people like the red cross use during distasters? that many branches of the military use for mobile communications? that government and other large users use? its not just hams, jackass, do some research first
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KB2PSM
join:2002-08-06
Long Beach, NY | reply to P Ness
said by P Ness:I am talking about the needs of many vs the needs of few. there are hard choices that need to be made but everyone cannot have it so sometimes the survival of the fitest (product) must preval when two products are both "wanted".
Why stop the river from flowing to put in a road when a bridge will do? The needs of the many are not being challenged, disputed or dismissed. Let them/us/all have broadband, but let's promote a technology that doesn't have to damage others along the way. Rob |
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ometimes i wish people would understand that BPL is just a stupid technology that simply wont really work... the only reason many power companies are looking at it is for meter reading, not internet access... they want to be able to fire all the meter readers and just read your meter whenever they like... yay more technology that can send more of our jobs overseas...
Hate to you but your wrong about the desire of this technology. Meter reading is taking place now over power lines without BPL. Of course BPL can be used for this but it is overkill for this app. But if you combine selling access and able to do AMR (Automatic Meter Reading) you just saved yourself a bunch of money. But BPL is far from being a workable solution and in time it will be come a usable product. |
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