Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000 in Software

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Thu, 18 Aug 2005 16:34:29 EDT

dadkins : 2005 aint too bad either... and it hasn't called home yet. ;)

REAL CAD software!

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Thu, 18 Aug 2005 16:10:14 EDT

Logan 5 : Oh the joys of Autocad 2006.... :p I recently got to compare this to Alibre's "X-Cad" Design Express and.........cough...............cough.............there's no comparison between the two. :o

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Thu, 18 Aug 2005 12:35:56 EDT

salzan :

said by Miik:

How stupid is that? 100.000 angry people? There are about 50 angry people and they all write in this forum...

If the deal is a scam, how come 47.000 more people registred since 1'st of august?

The original promise of full featured software to the first 100,000 was not delivered. That made a lot of people angry.

Don't assume that just because there are no angry people in the Alibre forums that they don't exist. If you're not a fanboy or you complain, they remove your post and ban you. I noticed that many people in the Alibre forum think we just went away. They have no clue.

As for the last 47,000 (if that's even a real number) they are getting what's being offered, a feature limited demo that calls home. Not a promise of something else.

If you have no privacy concerns and security is not an issue, you fall into the demographic that Alibre is targeting. Sadly, that's still too many users. Hang out in some security forums and check out the people posting HJT logs. These are generally users from the same demographic group.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Thu, 18 Aug 2005 05:18:09 EDT

anon : Nice to see that there are intelligent people on this forum as well :-)

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Thu, 18 Aug 2005 04:58:51 EDT

anon : How stupid is that? 100.000 angry people? There are about 50 angry people and they all write in this forum...

If the deal is a scam, how come 47.000 more people registred since 1'st of august?

Re: CAD

Sat, 13 Aug 2005 20:29:37 EDT

rahlquist :

said by OmniUni :

Alibre had a great marketing campaign, but perhaps we will see that it hurts them more than helps them in the future, due to the nature of the product.

Considering if you google for "Alibre CAD" the 2nd and 3rd results are this thread, I'd say it will hurt them or at least forewarn potential ~~victims~~ users of the true potential of this software.
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Re: CAD

Sat, 13 Aug 2005 18:12:34 EDT

dadkins : Problem reading?
»[Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Qutoe of entire post:

"Don't start with you? Nothing was directed towards you, unless you have a vested interest in Alibre.

This software is bordering on malware. No CAD software needs to call home constantly, period. If you want *REAL* CAD software, AutoCAD. I bet it won't call home the whole time you have it open either.

Don't get me started on Linux, you want to use it, deal with it. No Linux Distro has anything that will do what I wish it to do. But this is about the Alibre, not Linux/open source.

Use this crap if you wish. It's adware and neutered, nothing like what was stated it would be.

Your choice. Live with it."

CAD

Sat, 13 Aug 2005 15:31:10 EDT

OmniUni : Thank you very much Doctor!

THAT actually answers my question. I was not aware of that option, and now that I am, I may decide to act on it. I guess I was so ready for X-CAD to turn out to be NOTHING that I was glad to just see that it is something at all. I am still curious as to what dadkins uses, since he gave me no other options.

whether I will play with Alibre Design Express anymore? I don't know. As I mentioned, there isn't anything I'm worried about them finding out.

Alibre had a great marketing campaign, but perhaps we will see that it hurts them more than helps them in the future, due to the nature of the product.

I hope that Alibre either get's smart, or gets sunk.

Thank You All! :)

Re: Linux CAD NOT - stay On Topic, please?

Tue, 09 Aug 2005 07:16:37 EDT

rahlquist : Call em like you see em Doc!

Personally for me, I find it noteworthy that Alibre has earned themselves quite a reputation for this. As seen here;

»www.google.com/search?hs=10l&hl=···G=Search

And here

»www.google.com/search?hs=oLR&hl=···G=Search

That just warms my heart to know that anyone who does their homework on the company in the future will likely be forewarned.
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Re: Linux CAD NOT - stay On Topic, please?

Tue, 09 Aug 2005 06:27:23 EDT

Doctor Olds : Before I'd spend a single dime with Alibre, I'd buy this for one fifth of the Alibre price of turning off the ADs. ;)

"TurboCAD Deluxe 9.2 + FloorPlan 8"
Our Regular Price $14.95

Now Only $6.99
»www.NothingButSoftware.com/prms/···&ai=1955

I'd even get one of these before Alibre.

TurboCAD Deluxe 9.2 + free Upgrade to v10 included
Original List Price: $99.95

Your Price: $34.95
»www.nothingbutsoftware.com/catal···de=32944

Or

TurboCAD Professional v6.5

Your Price: $39.95
»www.nothingbutsoftware.com/catal···de=26010

Or

DesignCAD Express 15
Original List Price: $79.95

Your Price: $28.95
»www.nothingbutsoftware.com/catal···de=31914

The people behind Alibre are dishonest and shady based on their "bait and switch" + the "smoke and mirrors" campaign for this garbage-ware that was supposed to be equal to software costing thousands. :o Adware doesn't compare to any software that you would pay for. They completely misrepresented what they were offering as they knew ahead of time that 100,000 people would have never signed up for ADWARE!!! How stupid is that? I know of zero products *sold* that come with Adware. I would never do business with a company that thinks that is normal for business. AT best, their whole program is Scamware.

Like Enron before them, I see their future being short lived. :D That's the only good thing.

Regards,

Doctor Olds
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Re: Linux CAD

Mon, 08 Aug 2005 21:24:03 EDT

OmniUni : actually. I DID get a response:

If you purchase the ad-free package, this will also allow you to work offline. Right now that is the only option that we have, but we might plan on further changes as the demand increases.

How can I remove the Ads?
Contact our sales department at 972-671-8492 x284 or you can purchase this option online at »https://www.alibre.com/xpress/store/purchase.aspx.

Thank you,
Alibre Xpress Support

it isn't ideal, but it IS a response.

Dadkins: you've got me stumped! what kinda OS and sofware do you use? What CAD? Well? I as curious as @#$% now!

to everyone: well, let's not slack off now! it seems we're giving them a hard time, so let's keep it up!

Re: Linux CAD

Sat, 06 Aug 2005 01:13:13 EDT

Logan 5 :

said by OmniUni :

And if you think I'm not who I say I am, find me on pronetworks!

Despite the fact that everyone keeps trashing Alibre (and since I haven't gotten a response yet, I'm getting annoyed with them too) what we all really want is a software that can do what we were told X-CAD would do.

Most importantly, they have NOT answered my email!

I guess you didn't post in Alibre's Forums during their initial Inquisition/Purge of people who did not suck up to them....

You REALLY think you are ever going to get a reply from ANYONE in charge over there?!?

When their CEO lies and breaks his word, what makes you think that anyone else there is better then him??? Greg's employees follow his philosophy very well which does not bode well for the rest of us now does it.....

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sat, 06 Aug 2005 00:37:27 EDT

kruser : Well,

I decided to try it on a test machine.
It is a machine loaded fresh with Win XP SP2 and nothing else.
First thing was the jave vm.
Downlaoded and installed it and rebooted.
Now when I try to install the Alibre design, I get: The java virtual machine cannot be loaded error message.

Go figure.

Re: Linux CAD

Fri, 05 Aug 2005 17:00:51 EDT

dadkins : Don't start with you? Nothing was directed towards you, unless you have a vested interest in Alibre.

This software is bordering on malware. No CAD software needs to call home constantly, period. If you want *REAL* CAD software, AutoCAD. I bet it won't call home the whole time you have it open either.

Don't get me started on Linux, you want to use it, deal with it. No Linux Distro has anything that will do what I wish it to do. But this is about the Alibre, not Linux/open source.

Use this crap if you wish. It's adware and neutered, nothing like what was stated it would be.

Your choice. Live with it.

Re: Linux CAD

Fri, 05 Aug 2005 16:59:12 EDT

2kmaro : Well, I pretty well solved the problem as far as I'm concerned:
I downloaded it, as was my right under the agreement.

Nothing says I ever have to use it ... so there it sits, uninstalled. And if I decide, perhaps in a moment of total senility, a drug induced haze, or just a lapse into the world of "screw it, I don't care who knows how much about anything I do who needs personal privacy anyhow" for a microsecond and do decide to install it, then the key code had damned well better still be working.

Personally, for folks who really, really, really need it and are willing to put up with the BS invasion of your world and the limitations placed on it, then by all means have at it.

But I'll get my get-evens one day. Sooner or later some engineer is going to ask me for a good CAD tool and I'm going to stand right up and point proudly at AutoCAD, with AutoCAD Light as his second choice and probably with some comment like "whatever you do, stay the heck away from Alibre, nice software, but the morals of a starving swamp rat - but that's just a personal opinion you understand".
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Fri, 05 Aug 2005 16:17:18 EDT

OmniUni : Look, I joined this forum because I am a STUDENT who would really like a good 3D cad. I DON'T CARE WHAT OS it's on or WHO made it.

Truth be told I WOULD BE EXTATIC IF I FOUND A GOOD, 3D CAD with NO ads that ran on LINUX.

If you don't think I am a Linux Geek, find me on fedoraforum.org or KDE-Look.org. And if you think I'm not who I say I am, find me on pronetworks!

Despite the fact that everyone keeps trashing Alibre (and since I haven't gotten a response yet, I'm getting annoyed with them too) what we all really want is a software that can do what we were told X-CAD would do.

dadkins: good micro$soft! don't start with me, I'm on your side, remember? What I said, I meant! I would love to dump Alibre, just because I so much prefer the Open Source ideology!

A note on Alibre: I still give them a lot of credit. They had a brilliant marketing campaign. Their software works well. On the other hand, however, it IS adware. It is BARELY what was promised. Most importantly, they have NOT answered my email!

Bottom Line:
Rather than being a "Bash Alibre" post, lets be a "Solve the Problem" post.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Fri, 05 Aug 2005 12:13:56 EDT

dadkins : To OmniUni,
I cannot find any CAD software that is equivalent to that steaming pile.

All of the other CAD software I have looked at doesn't have ads and doesn't call home constantly. So, yeah... Alibre Design express is in a class all it's own! :uhh:

I'll say it again... It's crap!

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Thu, 04 Aug 2005 23:21:25 EDT

Rogue Wolf : Perhaps I might clarify a bit here. Remember, this is all in my own humble opinion, nothing I say should be taken as fact or represents the opinions of my employers, I am not a lawyer, do not take with alcohol, stop pulling your sister's hair, etc. etc. etc. :D

I don't think that the uproar over all of this stems so much from the CAD program itself. The trouble is that Alibre was FAR less than forthcoming about just what this program really was. As it was originally written, the promise seemed to be a fully-functional, stand-alone CAD program with no strings attached. Only after some one hundred thousand people had submitted their Email addresses for this promotion was the truth revealed: The program was restricted, ad-based and would contact its "home base" via encrypted data packets without giving the user any information as to just WHAT was being sent.

Quite frankly, to me this signals an utter lack of foresight on the part of Alibre. The technically-minded crowd that they must be aiming for are more likely than average to be concerned about things such as computer integrity and data security- not to mention they'd be even more likely to be angry if they felt they were "snookered".

But that's just what I think. ;)
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Thu, 04 Aug 2005 20:01:24 EDT

catseyenu : Might be an idea to sic our bad boyz over in »Spam, Scam and Phishbusters
On them. ;)
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Thu, 04 Aug 2005 18:59:20 EDT

Logan 5 : GASP!! Could we have been visited by the mysterious Jessica Formosa in the personage of OmniUni?

She's in charge of Alibre's PR Department as well as a moderator in their forums.....

Things that make you go....hmmmmmmmmmmmm ;) :D

Re: Nothing to Hide

Thu, 04 Aug 2005 17:49:20 EDT

Doctor Olds :

said by salzan :

(Are you sure you don't work for Alibre?)

If it smells like a shill, walks like a shill, posts like a shill then it is a shill. ;)
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Re: Nothing to Hide

Thu, 04 Aug 2005 17:08:45 EDT

salzan :

said by OmniUni :

I do very little on Windows.

Anything I am worried about is on Linux, including email which is on Google's Linux servers.

This pretty much puts you in the minority of people who are trying Alibre Xpress. Most people are running Windows with lots of info they wouldn't want public. So from your standpoint, maybe Alibre is OK.

And if micro$oft's own validation program thinks my copy of Win2k is legit, than how will Alibre tell?

What does MS validation have to do with this??

I reformat every few months, so there is little personal information to find as 90% is faked anyway.

And the other 10% really doesn't matter?

So let me see if I've got this right.

If you really don't care about the info on your computer, or possibly any projects you might design in the software, Alibre Xpress is a good program?

(Are you sure you don't work for Alibre?)

Nothing to See

Thu, 04 Aug 2005 16:58:53 EDT

Cudni : Nevermind nothing to hide :D

Cudni

Re: Nothing to Hide

Thu, 04 Aug 2005 16:51:10 EDT

cob_ : I would say spyware, since data about your computer is sent out, and who knows what else.

Nothing to Hide

Thu, 04 Aug 2005 16:10:39 EDT

OmniUni : I do very little on Windows.

Anything I am worried about is on Linux, including email which is on Google's Linux servers. And if micro$oft's own validation program thinks my copy of Win2k is legit, than how will Alibre tell? I reformat every few months, so there is little personal information to find as 90% is faked anyway.

Dadkins: what open source CAD is equivalent to Alibre Design express? If you can find one, I will switch in an instant- no matter how many dependencies I must solve! (though I must admit, I'm still new to compiling) personally, I found a number of promising projects, but nothing quite ready yet.

Rahlquist: Thank you, I revise my statement. I do not mind ads as long as they are non-intrusive and I see them knowingly. Therefore, I do not mind the ads in Alibre Design Express. The software may, however, be adware. I love wikipedia, don't you? :)

Re: Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Thu, 04 Aug 2005 15:36:50 EDT

salzan : I guess I forgot /sarcasm. :D

I also had links to BBR in some of my posts at Alibre but they were all deleted...

Maybe Greg just got the dates mixed up? /sarcasm

:)

Re: Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Thu, 04 Aug 2005 15:16:42 EDT

Logan 5 :

said by salzan :

I have nothing to hide either. Just a few license keys, a couple of email addresses, the odd password and, oh yeah, everything else that's on my computer.

Now that you're establishing a friendly email rapport with the good folks at Alibre, why don't you ask them why Design Xpress needs to have an encrypted dialogue with their servers every couple of minutes? And while you're at it, ask them what's in the packets? Please let us know.

said by OmniUni :

Well, I'm always up for a lively debate... and a little forum like this will certainly get Alibre's attention eventually... so let's keep posting! :)

I have a feeling they know about us.

Ya think....??? Indeed they do, because I've specifically talked with Greg Milliken via IM in the Alibre forums and he was very communicative...

That is until I made an offer for him to come here to THIS very thread and 'splain hisself.........He declined. :D

Re: Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Thu, 04 Aug 2005 13:18:48 EDT

rahlquist :

said by OmniUni :

You all seem to be forgetting what "adware" is. A software is not adware if it has embedded advertisments. Adware is software that displays additional ads without the users consent. As for the possibility of extra communications with Alibre, what do I care? It is not like I have anything to hide!

Friendly debate it is then :)

Adware straight from wikipedia;

Adware or advertising-supported software is any computer program or software package in which advertisements or other marketing material are included with or automatically loaded by the software and displayed or played back after installation or in which information about the computer or its users activities is uploaded automatically when the user has not requested it. These applications often present banner ads in pop-up windows or through a bar that appears on a computer screen.

The Opera web browser is a popular example. Adware helps some developers recover programming development costs, and it may allow the software to be provided to the user of the application free of charge or at a reduced price: due to the advertising, the programmer may still profit from the wide use of their work, motivating them to write, maintain, and upgrade the software product.

Some adware is also shareware, as such it may be used as term of distinction used to differentiate between types of shareware software. What differentiates adware from other shareware is that it is primarily advertising supported. Users may also be given the option to pay for a "registered" or "licensed" copy, which typically does away with the advertisements. Other types of shareware include demoware, nagware, crippleware, freeware, loyaltyware, and even spyware.

Some adware programs have been criticized for occasionally including code that tracks a user's personal information and passes it on to third parties, without the user's knowledge or consent. These programs are often called spyware; however, the word adware is sometimes also used to describe spyware.

Spyware has prompted an outcry from computer security and privacy advocates, including the Electronic Privacy Information Center [1]. Often, spyware applications send the user's browsing habits to an adserving company, which then targets adverts at the user based on their interests. Kazaa and eXeem are popular programs which incorporate software of this type.

Adware programs other than spyware do not invisibly collect and upload this activity record or personal information when the user of the computer has not expected or approved of the transfer, but some vendors of adware maintain that their application which does this is not also spyware, due to disclosure of program activities: for example, a product vendor may indicate that since somewhere in the product's Terms of Use, there is a clause that third-party software will be included that may collect and may report on computer use, that this Terms of Use disclosure means the product is just adware.

A number of software applications are available to help computer users search for and modify adware programs to block the presentation of advertisements and to remove spyware modules. To avoid a backlash, as with the advertising industry in general, creators of adware must balance their attempts to generate revenue with users' desire to be left alone.

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adware

By the above definition its very clear. It's definately adware in my book. Heck by that definition it's possibly even spyware depending on what information is being transferred and the content of lisc. agreement. Most people dont want the ads, and it sends tracking information of some sort back, what that tracking information is nobody but Alibre and possibly Kewordranking.com know. It may not track what you're doing, or it may. Since the data stream is encrypted its hard to say. Maybe some brave soul will try out this software with Winternals.com's regmon and filemon running and see just what its processes read. Of course thats assuming that it doesnt just sniff data right off your etherent like programs such as Ethereal and "What is transferring" do.

Honesty at this point would be Alibre's friend, however I dont think thats in the cards since all the questions on topics such as this got dumped from their forums.
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Thu, 04 Aug 2005 12:50:16 EDT

dadkins : With all that has been discovered about this POS, I nuked it and have put Alibre on the old SPAM list!

Screw this!

Oh, and what do I expect for free... well, from a REPUTABLE company, working software that doesn't call home.

Take that "What do you expect for free" here and see what kind of response you get: »All Things Unix

I have alot of free software that works great! No ads either! ;)

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Thu, 04 Aug 2005 12:34:49 EDT

cob_ :

quote:
As for the possibility of extra communications with Alibre, what do I care? It is not like I have anything to hide!

Like your computer's name and whatever's in the encrypted comms? You might be a little too trusting, or naive.

Re: Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Thu, 04 Aug 2005 12:23:25 EDT

salzan : I have nothing to hide either. Just a few license keys, a couple of email addresses, the odd password and, oh yeah, everything else that's on my computer.

Now that you're establishing a friendly email rapport with the good folks at Alibre, why don't you ask them why Design Xpress needs to have an encrypted dialogue with their servers every couple of minutes? And while you're at it, ask them what's in the packets? Please let us know.

said by OmniUni :

Well, I'm always up for a lively debate... and a little forum like this will certainly get Alibre's attention eventually... so let's keep posting! :)

I have a feeling they know about us.

Re: Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Thu, 04 Aug 2005 11:56:08 EDT

Cudni :

said by OmniUni :

As for the possibility of extra communications with Alibre, what do I care? It is not like I have anything to hide!

That is an interesting attitude and very conformist and accommodating at that. Not very many users would be so understanding with equally nothing to hide. I can tell you that if it turns out any extra communication is transmitted without user's prior knowledge or approval there will be a devil to pay :D

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Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Thu, 04 Aug 2005 11:29:41 EDT

OmniUni : Firstly, I am in no way connected to Alibre, though that would sure make for a nice twist, wouldn't it? :D

I mainly use OpenSource software, but there are few options of an easy, 3D CAD that is open. I dislike using pirated software, so I am always on the lookout for a good download.

You all seem to be forgetting what "adware" is. A software is not adware if it has embedded advertisments. Adware is software that displays additional ads without the users consent. As for the possibility of extra communications with Alibre, what do I care? It is not like I have anything to hide!

Also, both computers I have connected to the internet are... well, one is junk, and the other is just a little too slow for CAD. I have sent an e-mail to alibre about whether there will be any way for me to use the software on my desktop which is not connected to the internet. Although at the moment I respect Alibre as a company, this opinion hinges on the assumption that I will recieve a response to my e-mail, even it is is 'i'm sorry, we can't help you'. Surely, Alibre would not lose any business to a high school student who's income is loose change, and the odd computer job. Despite the adds, I still feel that Aibre has delivered what they promised- an easy, capable CAD. I was either wondering if it was a scam to get email addresses, or the software would be a trial, or some other dissappointment. Even if Design express was not EVERYTHING I hoped it to be, it is free, and does tons more than any other FREE CAD.

Well, I'm always up for a lively debate... and a little forum like this will certainly get Alibre's attention eventually... so let's keep posting! :)

OmniUni

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Thu, 04 Aug 2005 01:42:37 EDT

ssj4android : Curiousity got the best of me. Looks like most of the stuff is stored in class files within zip files.

Re: Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Wed, 03 Aug 2005 11:10:39 EDT

entropy1 : Um...is "OMNI" really "Greg" by chance? :o SOUNDS like someone from this crooked company. No one else would give Alibre "an enormous amount of credit". Haha! What a load of CRAP. :uhh:

Re: Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Wed, 03 Aug 2005 08:10:26 EDT

rahlquist :

said by OmniUni :

The truth is, it IS a fully functional software- it does everything that it said it would do. Whether or not it is stripped of features in the pay version is not the point!

I am one of the first 100k, and am far from being disappointed! I AM disappointed that you all would make such a big deal out of not getting EVERYTHING PERFECT out of a free software.

I give Alibre an enormous amount of credit. They have made a powerful CAD package for everyone to use- even if it does include some of Google's ads. Remember, we are talking about text ads here, not flashing GIF's about everything from "Free Prizes" to air conditioning!

Functional, yes.

Meet their promise, simply put, no.

As I said, in their forums; (paraphrased because they deleted the original post because they are afraid to face their accusers)

Alibre has known for a long time they were going to be giving away adware. Their coders, their marketing people and I certainly hope their CEO all knew it was going to be an adware product. Yet, oooops did we neglect to mention its adware! So sorry! This piece of software is worth thousands of dollars! (in revenue to Alibre maybe)

The bottom line is this. If they had advertised it as Adware people would have made an informed choice. Instead, trying to mislead people they called it FREE. They also neglected to mention originally that a CONSTANT internet connection would be required so their software could send data back and forth. Please note that people here have stated that a good deal of that data is encrypted, yet again Alibre has something to hide? For goodness sake, why would they need a constant connection?

Give them the credit you wish. Personally I find it little more than a BLATANT bait and switch offer. They offered FREE with no system requirement for an internet connection. They delivered FREE, but they are displaying ads which isn't consistent in today's market with FREE software. They are also sending back unknown encrypted data of some sort so let me ask you this.

I am a programmer, I can try to make you the ultimate bookmark software for whichever browser you use. Unfortunately its going to be adware and its going to communicate via an encrypted stream to my servers or my affiliates.

So, do you trust me? How do you know what I am accessing? How can you possibly figure it out? I could quietly comb your computer for personal information, email addresses, your surfing habits, and if I detect a broadband connection I can even scour your machine for competing products and report back and even export all the software keys from your registry. Oh and every thing you do in my software, every thing you create I am going to echo back up to my servers. Never know what you have that I may want.

Now do you trust me? Until someone can prove what's in that data stream I wouldn't let this thing near my machine.

Another point I brought up and I still haven't seen addressed is the license agreement. Has anyone read it carefully? What does it say in regards to drawings you create in this free software? Is it like a photo or recipe contest where once you submit your photos or food, you relinquish all rights to that item?

No I don't wear a tin hat but if you LIE (either blatantly or through omission) to me expect to be scrutinized. If I choose to ask you questions because of that LIE and instead of answering them you remove the questions, don't expect me to feel like you're being honest with me.
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Re: Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Wed, 03 Aug 2005 05:24:44 EDT

catseyenu : In case there's any question, that was a thumbs down.

Re: Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Wed, 03 Aug 2005 01:46:24 EDT

christcorp : I could live with the google ads if I thought that was the only need for the constant internet connection. From what I've read and seen on the forums, I have a funny feeling that there is a LOT MORE communications going on between their servers and our computers.

A friend went and downloaded and started using the CAD. I've waited to see how he does. I'm a major computer hacker, but I don't really get into tracing traffic. I can see however on my friend's computer, that even though he's just using the CAD program and not really using the internet, that there appears to be a lot of communicating going on. His network connection seems too active for my likes.

You are correct that we shouldn't be too critical about software when it's free. The majority of the criticism is because many of us feel that we were mislead. We also don't like the idea that their "Free" software is basically a trojan communicating who knows what. If I cared to, I might experiment with a firewall to allow the incoming but monitor the outgoing traffic for the software.

Either way, I'm not a high school student, so if I need a CAD program bad enough I'll pay for one. If I knew more about what the software was doing I might take the risk, but blindly letting a piece of software open up 2 way communications between their server and my computer is totally out of the question. Hopefully I'm wrong about what I've seen and read so far. Later./.. Mike....

Re: Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Wed, 03 Aug 2005 01:36:14 EDT

mers2 :

said by OmniUni :

I now have a login here.

Congrats on registering. The point you are missing is what was promised vs. what was delivered. In the original offer it was stated this would be fully functional program. Nothing was stated about ads or about the requirement of an internet connection. On top of which there are now questions of what is being transmitted back to Alibre. When questions were raised in the forums massive censorship took place instead of answering questions. The President of the company told one of our members that he would respond to questions here at DSLR and then was a no show. These are not the acts of a reputable company.
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Re: Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Wed, 03 Aug 2005 01:29:54 EDT

OmniUni : I now have a login here.

That was my post just above.
Now, I think I will go use Alibre Design express, a fantastic free software.

Oh, and after reading this forum I will no longer persue an attempt to remove the advertisments.

Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Wed, 03 Aug 2005 01:24:02 EDT

anon : OH COME ON!!!

WHAT DO YOU EXPECT FOR FREE?

I admit, the google ads are annoying, but it is more than worth it so that I can work with a 3D cad sofware legally.

The truth is, it IS a fully functional software- it does everything that it said it would do. Whether or not it is stripped of features in the pay version is not the point!

I am one of the first 100k, and am far from being disappointed! I AM disappointed that you all would make such a big deal out of not getting EVERYTHING PERFECT out of a free software.

I give Alibre an enormous amount of credit. They have made a powerful CAD package for everyone to use- even if it does include some of Google's ads. Remember, we are talking about text ads here, not flashing GIF's about everything from "Free Prizes" to air conditioning!

Oh, about me:
Male, High School Student, eastern US

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Tue, 02 Aug 2005 19:59:04 EDT

catseyenu : I deleted the account from the domain.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Tue, 02 Aug 2005 19:38:52 EDT

dadkins : Well first, I was meaning the installer I downloaded from ~~Crapware Headquarters~~ Alibre. I still have it sandboxed.

WindowWasher has what they call Wash with Bleach... Shredder. ;)

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Tue, 02 Aug 2005 19:25:17 EDT

Logan 5 : Educate the massses please...What is this "bleaching" of email addresses of which you and dadkins speak?

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Tue, 02 Aug 2005 19:23:15 EDT

catseyenu : I opted out and bleached the email address.
"It's a trap..."

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Tue, 02 Aug 2005 18:43:33 EDT

dadkins :

said by salzan :

said by dadkins :

Anyone get this email yet? I got it twice!

Nothing here either. Did you install the crapware and set up a new username?

Fsck no! LOL! Not going to retard my computer with MJVM for this adware laiden garbage! ;) I am still contemplating bleaching it off my system.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Tue, 02 Aug 2005 18:36:42 EDT

jerryb56 : Alexy, IF they had said in the promotion that it required an internet connection for the purpose of delivering advertising, I doubt they would have had 100,000 people sign up for it.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Tue, 02 Aug 2005 14:46:22 EDT

salzan :

said by dadkins :

Anyone get this email yet? I got it twice!

Nothing here either. Did you install the crapware and set up a new username?

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Tue, 02 Aug 2005 14:10:47 EDT

dadkins : Nope. All they got from me is my name and a throw-away email addy. This was in my throw-away inbox... twice.

Like I'm going to BUY some BS from this crap company... LMAO!

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Tue, 02 Aug 2005 14:06:51 EDT

Logan 5 : Did you sign up for their free training seminar maybe? I haven't gotten one, but then again I'm pretty sure that I'm not on Greg Milliken's Christmas Card list either....:D

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Tue, 02 Aug 2005 14:04:43 EDT

dadkins : Anyone get this email yet? I got it twice!

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Tue, 02 Aug 2005 13:36:05 EDT

salzan :

said by Alexy:

How would you feel about what they delivered if the promotion had been something like this? "We are releasing a significant subset of the functionality of our flagship product in a new product that will either be free (ad-supported) or very inexpensive.

But they didn't. What they delivered is software that requires an almost constant dialogue with their servers. We have no idea what data is being passed back and forth. Nowhere in the EULA or on their website can i find any info on this. I wouldn't allow this activity even if I trusted Alibre, which I don't. And never will. Why?

They've intentionally used misleading advertising without a care.

They don't answer hard questions no matter how politely worded. They delete them.

The use of Gestappo tactics on their forum speaks volumes.

I'm sure the only reason they offered the slightly upgraded demo version to the first 100,000 was to try and avoid legal proceedings.

If this is their idea of "building trust" they've completely blown it.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Tue, 02 Aug 2005 12:51:56 EDT

anon :

quote:
It's too bad that they did this. If the cad software had turned out to be any good, they might have been able to make a strong step into the market. But I think that they have alienated too many power users now with the sneaky tactics to make a good first impression.
Like the saying goes,"The best advertisement is word of mouth", and a high percentage of this advertisement will now be bad advertising.

I agree with you, Jerry, except for the phrase "if the software had turned out to be any good". I think it is very good, and could have been a huge gain for Alibre if they had accurately described it in the promotion.

How would you feel about what they delivered if the promotion had been something like this? "We are releasing a significant subset of the functionality of our flagship product in a new product that will either be free (ad-supported) or very inexpensive. Unlike other demo programs, this will not be time limited, and functions such as file saving and printing are not disabled. We expect this product to fully meet the needs of many hobbyists, and to give the professional engineer a very real introduction to 3D parametric modeling."

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Tue, 02 Aug 2005 09:51:11 EDT

jerryb56 : It's too bad that they did this. If the cad software had turned out to be any good, they might have been able to make a strong step into the market. But I think that they have alienated too many power users now with the sneaky tactics to make a good first impression.
Like the saying goes,"The best advertisement is word of mouth", and a high percentage of this advertisement will now be bad advertising.

JMHO

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Tue, 02 Aug 2005 07:23:46 EDT

floydb_1982 : For all who have not downloaded this and are planing to do so think twice about doing so cause it comes fully loaded with advertisement. The ads are what is keeping this software free. That's probably why there giving out for free in the first place to begin with.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Tue, 02 Aug 2005 05:46:03 EDT

anami : I tried to download on a test PC, and absolutely nothing happenned--dead link, and tons more spam every day. Thank heavens for email filters.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Tue, 02 Aug 2005 04:55:35 EDT

TwistedLefty : ditto

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Tue, 02 Aug 2005 02:17:46 EDT

Portmonkey : Well it looks like I can get rid of the email with the download instructions and mark it as spam.
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Tue, 02 Aug 2005 01:01:52 EDT

spamd : I am convinced that Alibre thinks there customers are idiots. I can hardly believe that Greg expects his customers to put up with this crap adware POS software.

I am truly disgusted with Alibre. IMO they are scumware/adware vendors nothing more.
--
When everything is coming your way, you are in the wrong lane.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 01 Aug 2005 23:21:55 EDT

dandelion : Just a FYI, tried to download and install, said I needed MS java, downloaded that and not sure if actually installed program or not, but got the blue screen, fault bucket error. Had to go into safe mode and try to fix. Finally got the machine running again (restore didn't work)
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 01 Aug 2005 23:13:55 EDT

rahlquist :

said by mers2 :

At this stage of the game even if they made good on the original offer I wouldn't touch their software with a ten foot pole.

I'm with you and I never even signed up. As I mentioned before I believe I am just sick of gurellia(sp) marketing that leaves the end user feeling slimy or used.
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The difference between foresight and hindsight is only a matter of when you bother to think things through.
Know about something stupid?

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 01 Aug 2005 22:48:49 EDT

mers2 :

said by rahlquist :

I still think this is the best way to get them to comply with their original offer.

At this stage of the game even if they made good on the original offer I wouldn't touch their software with a ten foot pole.
--
God put me on this Earth to accomplish a certain number of things. Right now, I am so far behind I will never die.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 01 Aug 2005 22:31:08 EDT

salzan :

said by cob_ :

Beyond what I posted, it's all SSL encrypted, jibberish TCP stream.

Really gives you that warm, fuzzy feeling doesn't it?

Well, I really wanted to play around with this but I've seen enough already.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 01 Aug 2005 22:26:52 EDT

rahlquist : Interesting blurb on them here;
»www.webmaster-talk.com/archive/A···108.html

This is really starting to be interesting. Lets go over the cast again.

Users promoised free software worth thousands of dollars feel slighted at getting adware.
The promising(promoting) company releases adware with targeted ads from a company who claims to only be involved in 'ethical' dealings. Said company 'works the system' to promise high revenue/traffic.

Wow what a twisted www it is.....
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The difference between foresight and hindsight is only a matter of when you bother to think things through.
Know about something stupid?

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 01 Aug 2005 22:17:01 EDT

rahlquist : Thanks cob_ interesting data, websourcedtraffic is blank site. It (the domain) lists lgarner@keywordranking.com as a contact. Kewordranking.com is a search engine 'optimization provider' they them that they 'are a publicly traded Professional search engine marketing firm that only employs ethical techniques and enjoys a first class reputation in a competitive industry'

So not only are they targeting you with ads they appear to be doing it through a 'reasearch' oriented intermediary.
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The difference between foresight and hindsight is only a matter of when you bother to think things through.
Know about something stupid?

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 01 Aug 2005 22:15:05 EDT

cob_ : Beyond what I posted, it's all SSL encrypted, jibberish TCP stream.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 01 Aug 2005 22:07:30 EDT

rahlquist : cob_ or anyone willing to do some snooping with ethereal, here is what I am looking for.

Referer: pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/ads?client=ca-pub-9999999999999999&dt

there should be a h-t-t-p:// before the word pagead2, the 9999999999999999 represents where their google ID would be. This would allow them to be reported to google.

I still think this is the best way to get them to comply with their original offer.

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The difference between foresight and hindsight is only a matter of when you bother to think things through.
Know about something stupid?

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 01 Aug 2005 22:06:58 EDT

cob_ :

said by rahlquist :

cob_ any chance of you capturing what it data it sends up when you click one of the ad links, those do appear to be adsense ads. I'd love to submit the ID to Google :)

I'm not familiar with AdSense, but here's what goes on when I click an ad:

GET /xpress/store/ HTTP/1.1
 
Accept: */*
 
Accept-Language: en-us
 
Accept-Encoding: gzip, deflate
 
User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1)
 
Host: www.alibre.com
 
Connection: Keep-Alive
 
Cookie: uuid.websourcedtraffic.com=acfdace6-fb7c-4882-8cbb-ca5f02ca3332
 
HTTP/1.1 302 Object moved
 
Server: Microsoft-IIS/5.0
 
Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 02:05:31 GMT
 
X-Powered-By: ASP.NET
 
Location: /xpress/store/purchase.aspx
 
Content-Length: 121
 
Content-Type: text/html
 
Set-Cookie: ASPSESSIONIDQCACTRSR=EKDHINDDMPANJLGCAGBBBAIE; path=/
 
Cache-control: private
 
Object moved
Object Moved
This object may be found here.
GET /xpress/store/purchase.aspx HTTP/1.1
 
Accept: */*
 
Accept-Language: en-us
 
Accept-Encoding: gzip, deflate
 
User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1)
 
Host: www.alibre.com
 
Connection: Keep-Alive
 
Cookie: uuid.websourcedtraffic.com=acfdace6-fb7c-4882-8cbb-ca5f02ca3332; ASPSESSIONIDQCACT
 *RSR=EKDHINDDMPANJLGCAGBBBAIE
 
HTTP/1.1 302 Found
 
Server: Microsoft-IIS/5.0
 
Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 02:05:32 GMT
 
X-Powered-By: ASP.NET
 
X-AspNet-Version: 1.1.4322
 
Location: https://www.alibre.com/xpress/store/purchase.aspx
 
Set-Cookie: ASP.NET_SessionId=drqchq45h2yxap55gsmbukzo; path=/
 
Cache-Control: private
 
Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
 
Content-Length: 166
 
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Object moved to here.<
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 01 Aug 2005 21:55:34 EDT

mers2 :

said by Logan 5 :

said by mers2 :

This makes me happy that I wrote a protest email to Alibre when the "less then full featured" aspects of the software became known and they told me I wouldn't get a copy...

You want my download??? I can guarantee you that's in pristine never-going-to-be-used condition...

And the best part is that it won't even cost you an email address... :p

I have a better suggestion - send it to one of the anti-spyware companies. It's looking like it just might qualify. Except for the part that people willingly signed up for it. :-)
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God put me on this Earth to accomplish a certain number of things. Right now, I am so far behind I will never die.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 01 Aug 2005 21:54:34 EDT

dadkins : Screw this! I'll download AutoCAD if I really want CAD software. :p
Time to fire up the ole shredder, then bleach the area.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 01 Aug 2005 21:52:14 EDT

Logan 5 :

said by mers2 :

This makes me happy that I wrote a protest email to Alibre when the "less then full featured" aspects of the software became known and they told me I wouldn't get a copy...

You want my download??? I can guarantee you that's in pristine never-going-to-be-used condition...

And the best part is that it won't even cost you an email address... :p

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 01 Aug 2005 21:48:38 EDT

2kmaro : ...will shut down 10 minutes after you acknowledge this message.

That alone would prevent me from using it - as I said earlier in this thread, there are too many places where this might need to be used on a laptop that are without an internet connection.

X-Cad is turning out to be nothing but bad news no matter how you cut it.
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then think again!

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 01 Aug 2005 21:47:25 EDT

mers2 :

said by salzan :

A couple of screenshots....

This makes me happy that I wrote a protest email to Alibre when the "less then full featured" aspects of the software became known and they told me I wouldn't get a copy...
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God put me on this Earth to accomplish a certain number of things. Right now, I am so far behind I will never die.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 01 Aug 2005 21:36:05 EDT

salzan : A couple of screenshots....

Total Uninstall install summary.
This is what happens if you don't let it access the internet every few minutes.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 01 Aug 2005 21:30:22 EDT

Jan Janowski : I got my email today.... But after reading and posting in this thread, I decided against it, and deleted the email...
If any activity shows up on the email address I posted it from.... I'll post here....
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 01 Aug 2005 21:23:32 EDT

rahlquist : cob_ any chance of you capturing what it data it sends up when you click one of the ad links, those do appear to be adsense ads. I'd love to submit the ID to Google :)

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 01 Aug 2005 21:22:10 EDT

Maxo : This is all I get :(

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 01 Aug 2005 21:20:45 EDT

richk_1957 : I registered, did the email confirmation thing, but haven't heard a thing about download instructions or anything.

Am I missing anything?

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 01 Aug 2005 20:15:50 EDT

Logan 5 : And to think that all this downloadable goodness only cost some of the less fortunate people a primary email address.

I'm wiling to bet that once people dig deeper, more about this program will become known in the coming days.....most of it not very good either.

Makes perfect sense now why Greg "The Account Banner" Milliken decided to no-show our thread..He knew that come Aug 1 and people would begin to download his crippleware application that there would be nothing he could say to defend his and Alibre's part in the whole X-Cad fiasco.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 01 Aug 2005 19:29:54 EDT

Shootist : they keep sending me emails of where I can download it.
NO thanks.
I already use Visual Cadd, AutoCAD and Sketchup. For free I would of tried it but not after I found out what it was.
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 01 Aug 2005 19:17:40 EDT

dadkins : WTF?!? Is there anything it's NOT sending home? :huh:

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 01 Aug 2005 17:04:56 EDT

cob_ : Here's one. The ad is pretty inobtrusive, but I really do not like having my computer name and license key sent out in clear text at intervals.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 01 Aug 2005 16:50:14 EDT

salzan : Has anybody got a screenshot?

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 01 Aug 2005 16:31:40 EDT

cob_ : Here it is. I obfuscated my computer name and some of the license keys.

DURING FIRST PART OF INSTALL (after VM installation):

POST /Discovery.asmx HTTP/1.1
 
Content-Type: text/xml; charset=utf-8
 
SOAPAction: "http://alibre.com/webservices/LookupResource"
 
Content-Length: 1246
 
User-Agent: Microsoft Internet Explorer
 
Host: webservices.alibre.com
 
Connection: Keep-Alive
 
Cache-Control: no-cache
 


  
    
      
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          InstanceID
          8FC0BA5A-9A6B-453D-9E6A-510F5624A2D6
        
        
          ComputerName
          COMPUTERNAME
        
      
    
  

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Server: Microsoft-IIS/5.0
 
Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 20:18:35 GMT
 
X-Powered-By: ASP.NET
 
HTTP/1.1 200 OK
 
Server: Microsoft-IIS/5.0
 
Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 20:18:35 GMT
 
X-Powered-By: ASP.NET
 
X-AspNet-Version: 1.1.4322
 
Cache-Control: private, max-age=0
 
Content-Type: text/xml; charset=utf-8
 
Content-Length: 476
 
VALUE//appserverc
 *.alibre.com:443 *soap:Body>

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THEN IT HITS THEIR WEBSITE FOR YOU TO REGISTER:

GET /xpress/register/xpress.aspx?sendcd=false&source=CDV822005 HTTP/1.1
 
Host: www.alibre.com
 
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.10) Gecko/20050716 Fire
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Accept: text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/plain;q=0.8,im
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Accept-Language: en-us,en;q=0.5
 
Accept-Encoding: gzip,deflate
 
Accept-Charset: ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7
 
Keep-Alive: 300
 
Connection: keep-alive
 
Cookie: phpbb2mysql_data=a%3A0%3A%7B%7D; LicenseKey=
 
HTTP/1.1 302 Found
 
Server: Microsoft-IIS/5.0
 
Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 20:18:43 GMT
 
X-Powered-By: ASP.NET
 
X-AspNet-Version: 1.1.4322
 
Location: /xpress/register/xpress.aspx
 
Set-Cookie: ASP.NET_SessionId=3kfu13m5zrovxq55bx3wtq2p; path=/
 
Set-Cookie: source=CDV822005; expires=Tue, 01-Aug-2006 05:00:00 GMT; path=/
 
Cache-Control: private
 
Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
 
Content-Length: 145
 
Object moved
 
Object moved to here.

 

 
GET /xpress/register/xpress.aspx HTTP/1.1
 
Host: www.alibre.com
 
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.10) Gecko/20050716 Fire
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Accept: text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/plain;q=0.8,im
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Accept-Language: en-us,en;q=0.5
 
Accept-Encoding: gzip,deflate
 
Accept-Charset: ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7
 
Keep-Alive: 300
 
Connection: keep-alive
 
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 *3wtq2p; source=CDV822005
 
HTTP/1.1 302 Found
 
Server: Microsoft-IIS/5.0
 
Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 20:18:43 GMT
 
X-Powered-By: ASP.NET
 
X-AspNet-Version: 1.1.4322
 
Location: https://www.alibre.com/xpress/register/xpress.aspx
 
Set-Cookie: source=CDV822005; expires=Tue, 01-Aug-2006 05:00:00 GMT; path=/
 
Cache-Control: private
 
Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
 
Content-Length: 167
 
Object moved
 
Object moved to here.
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AFTER STARTING THE SOFTWARE FOR THE FIRST TIME:

POST /Discovery.asmx HTTP/1.1
 
Content-Type: text/xml; charset=utf-8
 
SOAPAction: "http://alibre.com/webservices/LookupResource"
 
Content-Length: 2324
 
User-Agent: Microsoft Internet Explorer
 
Host: webservices.alibre.com
 
Connection: Keep-Alive
 
Cache-Control: no-cache
 


  
    
      
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Server: Microsoft-IIS/5.0
 
Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 20:23:36 GMT
 
X-Powered-By: ASP.NET
 
HTTP/1.1 200 OK
 
Server: Microsoft-IIS/5.0
 
Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 20:23:36 GMT
 
X-Powered-By: ASP.NET
 
X-AspNet-Version: 1.1.4322
 
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 01 Aug 2005 15:49:39 EDT

anon : Those who have received the xpress software, could a few of you:
- disconnect from the internet
- run the installer

Is the installer from InstallShield?
Does the installation use InstallUtil.dll?
Does the installation fail if the dll cannot contact Alibre for Config.txt?

Please run this software under a limited account.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 01 Aug 2005 15:40:33 EDT

spamd : Don't forget to install Ethereal, to see what is being sent out of the pc when Xcad wants to connect to the internet.
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 01 Aug 2005 15:34:10 EDT

fuzz :

said by Logan 5 :

said by fuzz :

I was able to DL it. It requires MS virtual machine to be installed. I haven't installed either yet.

Do you have Sun Microsystems JRE installed on your PC by chance and Alibre's program still required the download of 'their version' of the Microsoft JVM from their site to be functional?

If so, that is VERY, VERY bad, as the last JVM from Microsoft before they had to comply with a Court Order and cease offering to the public had a few unpatched vulnerabilities....

Yeah, that's why I'm a little reluctant to install it.
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 01 Aug 2005 14:58:16 EDT

Logan 5 :

said by fuzz :

I was able to DL it. It requires MS virtual machine to be installed. I haven't installed either yet.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 01 Aug 2005 14:26:09 EDT

salzan : I've got it. I'll install it later this evening after I've had time to prepare my machine.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 01 Aug 2005 13:49:35 EDT

fuzz : I was able to DL it. It requires MS virtual machine to be installed. I haven't installed either yet.
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 01 Aug 2005 13:46:34 EDT

fire100 : Just for kicks I refreshed that error page and it went through for me, I got an email and it sent me to the download page.
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 01 Aug 2005 13:37:30 EDT

dadkins :

said by fire100 :

said by dadkins :

WTF? I get this BS when I try and go to the download page!

I got the same thing, now when I try to activate again, it tells me I already have an account.

No account information has been sent. I sent an email off to their support team, I will see if they get it resolved.

The email they sent me for activation got put in Bulk(SPAM) folder... LOL! I had to go retrieve it!

BTW, I got it to finally download with Opera... :uhh: Didn't like IE.

They sure are batting 1000, aint they?

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 01 Aug 2005 13:34:43 EDT

fire100 :

said by dadkins :

WTF? I get this BS when I try and go to the download page!

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 01 Aug 2005 13:32:08 EDT

dadkins : Maybe my firewall knows they are asshats and won't allow the connection... LOL!

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 01 Aug 2005 13:28:17 EDT

Logan 5 : You breaking $h!t again dadkins....? :p LOL

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 01 Aug 2005 13:26:44 EDT

penguins4evr : I clicked on the link in the email and the site would not open for me. Maybe it's getting hammered with 100,000+ people trying to get in? I'll try again later.
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 01 Aug 2005 13:23:15 EDT

dadkins : WTF? I get this BS when I try and go to the download page!

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 01 Aug 2005 13:17:57 EDT

Doctor Olds :

said by icex _ :

12:30 8/1 and no sign of the 3d cad software. I think this had scam written all over it.

I got email.

quote:
Alibre Design Xpress is now available for download

Thanks to your participation in the X-CAD 100,000 Seat Giveaway, we reached the goal of 100,000 registrations!

Your license for Alibre Design Xpress includes the following extra features in addition to those listed on the Alibre Design Xpress site, plus:
* Advanced part modeling
* 25-part assemblies
* Extended import/export options
You will need to activate your Alibre Design Xpress account with this email address to receive the correct license key:

Going to see about it after lunch.
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 01 Aug 2005 13:05:52 EDT

heels_fan : registration ask several survey questions.

•How did you find out about Alibre Design?
•What is your primary computer system?
•Industry that best describes your company?
•Timeframe for purchasing new CAD software?
•What is your primary responsibility?
•I am evaluating software for: (select all that apply)
•Primary CAD package used in your organization?

Download is 70.8MB

I am not going to install it at work. I am going to wait and install on my test machine at home.
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 01 Aug 2005 13:00:33 EDT

jhwk : Got my download email a few minutes ago, registered and am getting file now, 69.13MB

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 01 Aug 2005 12:59:28 EDT

icex _ : Ok, just received mine.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 01 Aug 2005 12:55:35 EDT

heels_fan : i got my instructions on how to download the software...be back in a few to give details

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 01 Aug 2005 12:30:32 EDT

icex _ : 12:30 8/1 and no sign of the 3d cad software. I think this had scam written all over it.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 31 Jul 2005 15:22:26 EDT

salzan : It will be interesting to see which version of Design Xpress you get. (Bold Mine)

Said by Greg Milliken on the Alibre forum: Now to cut to the chase, if you are one of the first 100,000 who registered, here’s what you’re going to get in Alibre Design Xpress:

1) Advanced part modeling, which includes features like shelling, 3D sketch, reference surfaces, etc. There are too many features to elaborate on each here, so go to the Alibre Design brochure on our web site to get the full feature set.

2) Assembly modeling up to 25 unique parts. Part instances don’t count, so an assembly with lots of common parts can actually consist of more than 25 non-unique components. If you open assemblies with more parts, they open in read-only mode.

3) 2D drawing creation including standard orthographic view types. All drawings are fully associative. You change the model and the drawing updates. If you open drawings with unsupported view types such as details, sections, broken views, and so on, these views will be displayed read-only.

4) 3D import/export of all the standard formats Alibre Design supports, including STEP, SAT (ACIS), and IGES. DXF and DWG are supported in 2D, and STL is supported for export.

The software requires an Internet connection and will display a banner of Google ads. No special or third-party adware is installed on your system. If the Internet connection is lost we have taken steps to ensure that you will have time to save your work, even if you have stepped away from the computer. The requirement for an Internet connection and the associated Google ad banner can be turned off for a small fee.

Here’s what you won’t get:

Unlimited Assembly size, all 2D view types in drawings, BOM, sheet metal and data management (these last two are in Alibre Design Professional anyway), and online collaboration data sharing and team design. Lastly, no technical support nor a commitment to provide updates to later versions. Of course, you can use the user forum for support and we hope you do. However, once the software is released we will be very strict about how the forum is used.

This is truly the best offer for parametric 3D CAD software available anywhere. When you get the download instructions, please complete the steps to download and install Alibre Design Xpress right away. The special offer you get as one of the first 100,000 expires on August 31, so don’t delay.

Those who registered after the goal of 100,000 was reached can still get Xpress, but it does not include the advanced modeling extension (i.e., shelling, 3D sketch, surfaces), it is restricted to 5 part assemblies, has no STEP, IGES or SAT import/export, and requires an Internet connection and displays ads.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 31 Jul 2005 15:08:43 EDT

Logan 5 :

said by Jammy :
Hey . . .I was number 110425 and it seems that I am still eligible:

Alibre Design Xpress: FREE Mechanical Design Software
Thank you for verifying your registration! On August 1 you will receive directions via email to download the free software.

Which is why I and the rest of the 100,000 all over the world who fell for this SCAM are so pissed off about Alibre's BS tactics. We THOUGHT we were getting something special for our efforts

I am happy that you can get in on this *bargain*, but do hope that you did use a disposable email address to register......

Here's a little history lesson of what's brought us to this point that you might not now be aware of:

Original offer was for a fully functional program that competes with CAD programs costing thousands of dollars, for FREE....

Catch #1 - Software is only available if 100,000 confirmed email addresses are registered/harvested before August 1. The people signing up are made to beleive this is a unique download only for them because of signing up

At around the 95k registered user mark, "X-Cad" announces it's *really* Alibre Design Express and will carry banner ads and ONLY work offline if a separate fee is paid for the offline "upgrade". Alibre Design Express is ALREADY a free download on their website, and is a limited use piece of software. Limited in the sense that you are limited to the number of model objects it will make at one time (25). If your model requires more then 25, then you are out of luck considering that the rest would be used in a non-modifiable "read-only" mode....so much for the full functionality that was promised.

People are upset by this and immediately flood the Alibre forums with demands for answers and are genuinely pissed off at the blatantly apparent "Bait'n Switch" that occurred.

Alibre Forum Mods at the direction of it's CEO Greg Milliken begin an aggressive campaign of censorship by deleting ANY post that strongly disagrees with Alibre's handling of this fiasco. Also at this time their FAQ's are edited to remove contradictory/incriminating statements.

I personally had several posts removed and was eventually banned from Alibre's forums for stating publicly that this was indeed a bait 'n switch and they should be held accountable for their actions.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 31 Jul 2005 13:46:32 EDT

Jammy :
Hey . . .I was number 110425 and it seems that I still a eligible:

Alibre Design Xpress: FREE Mechanical Design Software
Thank you for verifying your registration! On August 1 you will receive directions via email to download the free software.

Spread the word — tell all your colleagues and friends to register too!

From Press Release -- X-CAD Unmasked: Alibre Reveals Identity of Free 3D CAD Software, Alibre Design Xpress :

X-CAD Unmasked: Alibre Reveals Identity of
Free 3D CAD Software, Alibre Design Xpress
Closing In On Goal of 100,000 Registrants With Over 94,000 to date

RICHARDSON, TX.—July 20, 2005—Alibre, Inc. today announced that it is the company behind the X-CAD promotion launched in late May at the web site www.x-cad.net. The company also announced that the new software, originally announced as X-CAD as part a 100,000 seat giveaway contest, will be named Alibre Design Xpress when it ships -- if 100,000 people have registered. The contest goal of 100,000 registrations appears likely: over 94,000 have registered to date and the registration rate is increasing.

Alibre Design Xpress, originally announced as X-CAD, is not demo or trial software. The product will provide 3D parametric solid modeling for mechanical design and manufacturing applications and includes functionality to design parts and assemblies, as well as create associative 2D drawings -- all at no charge.
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Re: adsense nonissue

Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:05:20 EDT

rahlquist :

The fact that they say that they may not accept... says to me that they also may accept (Otherwise they would have said that they will not accept).

Possibly, but in the end of course it is up to google. I read it this way. A site or thrid party may not display google ads or search results. No Google Ad code or Search box Code may be pasted into any software application. (without their code the ads wont display)

Again thats subject to googles opinion, but thats the way I read it.

I don't follow this logic at all. Don't advertisers pay Google, and Google pay the contact providers based on either views or clicks? If so, why would they prohibit having a non-advertising supported version? If you use adsense on your website, do you promise not to have the same content on a "members-only" web site that is not advertising supported?

Advertisers pay google for targeted ads in a certain medium. Say I was AutoDesk makers of Autocad, and I paid google for adsense ads because the program works by placing my ad on sites that mention CAD or other keywords on their site. I pay them per click matter of fact. I may be peeved if some of those clicks start comming from inside of a competing application where the users is arguably not nessecarily in the market for my product.

The way I read the link you provided, contextually determined ads were an option.

Google scans your site with adsense for content and with adsense for search it keys off the word you searched for.

I can't believe that I am coming off as if I am defending Alibre. That is not my intent. I am just saying not to waste your efforts on specious arguments, and focus instead on whether Alibre ultimately delivers on what they promised.

Not trying to argue just trying to calify my points. Regardless once the program comes out Google is sure to be notified of the ad content and if its not approved it will be cut off.
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Re: adsense nonissue

Fri, 29 Jul 2005 10:22:47 EDT

anon : Hi, Loker. Let me just point out a couple of places where your post may show a lack of real-world business experience, and keep it from being taken real seriously.

quote:
google would not do this because then this makes for some bad PR being an adware company

Very narrow view. The other side is that they could do this and totally change the landscape of ad-supported software. After all they are doing ad-supported web pages, and no-one is putting them in the same category as double-click because of that.

quote:
and making special agreements with certain companies would make their other customers who want to put ad's in their software demand the same agreement

That's choice. I don't think in all my years in business, I have ever seen anyone refuse to sell a service to one customer for fear that others might want to buy as well!

quote:
we know they are under the same terms and conditions or else he would have laughed at me told me google would not care instead he did not respond and had my account deleted

With experience, I think you will learn that there are many time when it is better to ignore someone with a baseless argument than to get down in the mud with them. Now, strategically, I think Alibre made a mistake; if I were they I would have left such posts up, hoping that they would marginalize the opposition, and remove focus from serious posts questioning their offering versus what they promised.

quote:
but anyway they can not alter the terms and conditions for one specific case anyway if thats the case than they are on thin legal ground if alibre ever takes them to court on a discrepency on the agreement

LOL! You need to get a refund on your law school tuition! If Alibre ever took them to court, the judge would look at the agreement between Alibre and Google. Alibre can't very credibly claim that they didn't mean to sign that revised contract, and wants to go back to enforce the standard contract. IANAL, but business law 101 and a couple of years of business experience is enough for this one!

Re: adsense nonissue

Fri, 29 Jul 2005 09:55:15 EDT

anon :

quote:
On the third party question please keep in mind IANAL.

Me neither. I attribute my stellar ability to count to three to my mathematics background!;)

quote:
But I believe the first party of the agreement to be Google, the second party would be whomever is providing the content.

Correct. The adsense agreement would be between Google and Alibre (the content provider). They are the two parties to the agreement.

quote:
The third party would be anyone interfering in the process.

Has nothing to do with interfering with the process. A third party is anyone who is not one of the two parties to an agreement. Now if we were talking about an agreement between Google and an advertiser, if Google promised not to allow the ad to be displayed in any third party software, that would prohibit the display of such ad in Alibre's product. Of course, no advertiser but microsoft would agree to such a provision, since for anyone else, that provision would prohibit display of the ad in IE!

quote:
A clearer explanation is at »»https://www.google.com/adsense/policies and I quote;

A site or third party cannot display our ads, search box, or search results as a result of the actions of any software application such as a toolbar. No Google ad or search box code may be pasted into any software application. We may not accept sites that are associated with some types of client-side software or offer these types of client-side software.

The fact that they say that they may not accept... says to me that they also may accept (Otherwise they would have said that they will not accept).

quote:
So in the end if they dont have a special agreement with Google (which I sincerly doubt especially since you can buy your way out of seeing the ads)

I don't follow this logic at all. Don't advertisers pay Google, and Google pay the contact providers based on either views or clicks? If so, why would they prohibit having a non-advertising supported version? If you use adsense on your website, do you promise not to have the same content on a "members-only" web site that is not advertising supported?

quote:
A second problem if they are using AdSense is that Google crawls a page to generate the proper conetxt for the ads displayed. Without that ability, how will Google target an audience?

The way I read the link you provided, contextually determined ads were an option.

I can't believe that I am coming off as if I am defending Alibre. That is not my intent. I am just saying not to waste your efforts on specious arguments, and focus instead on whether Alibre ultimately delivers on what they promised.

Re: adsense nonissue

Thu, 28 Jul 2005 00:58:29 EDT

Logan 5 :

said by Loker :

well see my message was a private message not anything anyone else would have seen just him

Well, if it's any consolation, I have at least 2 private IM's to Greg Milliken that are unread from last Saturday.

I'm actually surprised they haven't yet deleted/banned my Logan01 account from their site by now for *encouraging* Greg to come post here when this story about Alibre's blatant bait 'n Switch tatics first broke.

They must be working through the "to be banned" pile first I guess. :o

:D

Re: adsense nonissue

Thu, 28 Jul 2005 00:02:01 EDT

Loker : well see my message was a private message not anything anyone else would have seen just him

Re: adsense nonissue

Wed, 27 Jul 2005 23:46:10 EDT

salzan :

said by Loker :

google would not do this because then this makes for some bad PR being an adware company....and making special agreements with certain companies would make their other customers who want to put ad's in their software demand the same agreement....

This logic makes sense as long as this is not a new wave of adware that falls outside the current programs (that we know about) google offers.

we know they are under the same terms and conditions or else he would have laughed at me told me google would not care instead he did not respond and had my account deleted.

I hate to be the one to tell you this but every hard question was deleted. If you were unlucky enough to be posting when the forum was being heavily moderated, you were deleted as fast as you could type. Anybody who has strong opposing positions was banned. :( The only question I saw answered was a lame one relating to "I didn't opt in for email. Will I still get announcements?"

...but anyway they can not alter the terms and conditions for one specific case anyway if thats the case than they are on thin legal ground if alibre ever takes them to court on a discrepency on the agreement

We still don't know (and may never know) what agreement Alibre has with Google.

Re: adsense nonissue

Wed, 27 Jul 2005 23:00:32 EDT

Loker :

said by salzan :

Just curious, but do we know they are using the Adsense program? Is there no other Google program they could be licensed under?

google would not do this because then this makes for some bad PR being an adware company....and making special agreements with certain companies would make their other customers who want to put ad's in their software demand the same agreement....we know they are under the same terms and conditions or else he would have laughed at me told me google would not care instead he did not respond and had my account deleted....but anyway they can not alter the terms and conditions for one specific case anyway if thats the case than they are on thin legal ground if alibre ever takes them to court on a discrepency on the agreement
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Re: adsense nonissue

Wed, 27 Jul 2005 21:47:05 EDT

salzan : I asked this question on their forums and never got an answer:
"Does Alibre Xpress function as an IE shell?"

If it does, it might have an internal browser window (like the one in Google Earth) that only retrieves from a page on Alibre's website that has the proper content to generate the ads. The window could be focused on a frame or layer in the page that displayed the Google ad output. If that were the case, where would it fit into the Adsense terms?

I think this will all become much clearer as soon as we have the product in hand.

Re: adsense nonissue

Wed, 27 Jul 2005 20:21:16 EDT

anon : A few interesting related links:

»www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1825983,00.asp
»www.benedelman.org/news/060605-1.html

Google's software principles (which they encourage their business partners to comply with as well):

»www.google.com/corporate/softwar···les.html

Re: adsense nonissue

Wed, 27 Jul 2005 20:12:02 EDT

anon : A second problem if they are using AdSense is that Google crawls a page to generate the proper conetxt for the ads displayed. Without that ability, how will Google target an audience?

That's the real question... I don't trust Alibre now as far as I could throw them, for what type of information they will be trying to find on your PC and report back home.

Don't know if Adsense will be a problem for Alibre or not, but it sounds like at least a possibility that should be followed up on. It would be hilarious if Google told them they couldn't do it.

Re: adsense nonissue

Wed, 27 Jul 2005 15:29:50 EDT

rahlquist :

said by salzan :

Just curious, but do we know they are using the Adsense program? Is there no other Google program they could be licensed under?

Nobody knows that except Google and Alibre but a few points;

•I believe I have seen quotes from Mr Milliken that they will be using AdSense ads
•Secondly I'm not aware of any product that uses Google ads of any type to support their software
•Lastly I dont believe Google is in the market to support adware and personally I think adware is seriously off target for google

Now I could be wrong on any and all portions there.

On the third party question please keep in mind IANAL. But I believe the first party of the agreement to be Google, the second party would be whomever is providing the content. The third party would be anyone interfering in the process.

A clearer explanation is at »https://www.google.com/adsense/policies and I quote;

A site or third party cannot display our ads, search box, or search results as a result of the actions of any software application such as a toolbar. No Google ad or search box code may be pasted into any software application. We may not accept sites that are associated with some types of client-side software or offer these types of client-side software.

So in the end if they dont have a special agreement with Google (which I sincerly doubt especially since you can buy your way out of seeing the ads) then they are in violation. A second problem if they are using AdSense is that Google crawls a page to generate the proper conetxt for the ads displayed. Without that ability, how will Google target an audience?
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Re: adsense nonissue

Wed, 27 Jul 2005 14:51:32 EDT

anon : Thank you, salzan. That is the point I have been trying to make.

Re: adsense nonissue

Wed, 27 Jul 2005 14:50:19 EDT

anon : I had read that before. But I have yet to see anything that says that Alibre has agreed to that licensing agreement rather than another that specifically allows what they are doing. The existence of one particular licensing agreement is no evidence that everyone receiving the same or similar services is working under the same licensing agreement.

And why does everyone think that this is third party software? The way I count the parties, Google is one, Alibre is two, and another party would be a third. What third party software, i.e., software written by someone other than party one or party two, are we talking about here?

Re: adsense nonissue

Wed, 27 Jul 2005 14:48:39 EDT

salzan : Just curious, but do we know they are using the Adsense program? Is there no other Google program they could be licensed under?

Re: adsense nonissue

Wed, 27 Jul 2005 13:14:34 EDT

ropeguru : Alexy,

Obviuosly you are talking blind here about the adsense program and have not read their terms, nor the posts here in this thread. Posted by rahlquist earlier on in this thread is the specific section that DOES prohibit their adsense from being used in third party software.

And for your reading pleasure:

5. Prohibited Uses. You shall not, and shall not authorize or encourage any third party to:......(vi) directly or indirectly access, launch and/or activate Ads, Links or Search Results through or from, or otherwise incorporate the Ads, Links or Search Results in, any software application, Web site or other means other than Your Site(s), and then only to the extent expressly permitted by this Agreement (e.g., while Search Results may be indirectly accessed from Your Site(s), they may only be displayed on the appropriate Google-hosted Web page);
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Wed, 27 Jul 2005 10:40:53 EDT

Loker : Hello Travis,

Thanks for your email. We will investigate the issue further. We appreciate your help in maintaining the quality of the AdSense program.

and after mentioning google how he immediately jumped at banning me makes it sound like he has not agreement to do this ...but I see no reason google would do this because this kind of publicity would not be good for adsense and if google bypasses their terms and conditions for one company they have to start doing it for others or face the definite possibility of losing business by people who do not think it is fair that they can not include adsense in third party apps but alibre can.....anyway I think his ban says it all if he really had an agreement with google he pry would have laughed in my face and told me
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adsense nonissue

Wed, 27 Jul 2005 09:37:15 EDT

anon : I really think you are barking up the wrong tree here. While it might be fun to debate the merits of your argument (and I would start with why you think that software written by one of the two parties to an agreement is subject to restrictions on third party software), such debate is kind of pointless if there is no reason whatsoever to believe that what is being done comes under the agreement being analyzed.

If this were a web page for "Joe's recipe blog" or "Betty's Family Fotos", it would be reasonable to believe that the published license agreement would apply. But I see no reason to think that even a web site with high traffic would not be able to negotiate variance in terms. And I certainly would expect use of ads in software such as this to probably be negotiated separately.

Has Google shown any interest in your revelations?

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Wed, 27 Jul 2005 02:02:40 EDT

Loker : I told the Greg Milliken guy I had took the time to send my feedback to google on how wonderful he was using adsense in a third party application and google said they would start an investigation on the possible abuse then the most wonderful thing happened my account on the alibre forums mysteriously poofed into non-existence
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Wed, 27 Jul 2005 01:52:30 EDT

rahlquist :

said by Logan 5 :

It's why Greg Milliken refused to come here and it's why they have not (and presumably will not) release any *official* statememts any place except through their website or their PR Mouthpiece Jessica Formosa.

Well lemme see. Harrassment is termed the repeated contact of a person right? So if everyone here asked him one time then maybe he would feel compelled to answer.
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Re: Banned in Richardson -- me too

Tue, 26 Jul 2005 23:51:47 EDT

penguins4evr : Alexy,

Welcome to BBR (a safe harbor, it would seem, for banned posts at the other forum), and for your interesting "letter".

As one who was one of the 100,000 who registered, I have been following this thread and the forum at the other place with interest.

Please consider registering here at BBR. Registering is free and you will find that BBR has much to offer on a large variety of topics.

Peace . . .
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Tue, 26 Jul 2005 23:48:11 EDT

salzan : Welcome Alexy!
Alibre is just doing a little housecleaning in preparation for the big release next week. Can't have a bunch of irritating little posts cluttering up the forums....

Considering that the majority of poeple who signed up may be unaware of many of the recent events, Alibre should have an interesting time after the downloads begin.

The forum at Alibre opened on April 9 and had 16 members on July 19th. Today is the 26th and the member count is 150. Of course many of those are banned so the actual member count is probably back to 16 again....

Wonder what it will be in a week?

Re: Banned in Richardson -- me too

Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:43:29 EDT

anon : I was banned for the following post, encouraging folks to consider the value of software that is being offered, but at the same time pointing out the issues over which people are upset. Guess I hit a little close to home.

quote:
Anyone who has read my posts here will recognize that while I am not a screamer, I have been pretty disappointed in what was offered compared to what was promised. And I've stated, and still believe, that removing the ads for the 100,000 is the least they can do to recapture a significant degree of good will. However, even though it appears very unlikely that will happen, I have come to actually look forward to getting my hands on the software (if the msot recent descriptions are accurate). At the same time, I will retain a fair degree of mistrust for a company that would create such a misleading campaign.

How did I come to this shift? By imagining how I would feel if the original promotion had fairly and accurately described what is now being offered. In that imaginary world, Xpress really is a sweet offer, which I am looking forward to taking advantage of.

Since no one can undo the campaign, I decided to write an imaginary letter to myself from management. Read it and see if that will let you separate the feeling of being deceived from an assessment of the software we appear to be getting. If it does, do your blood pressure a favor and enjoy the software while forgetting about the company (remember they did NOT write this apology -- it is in my imagination).

quote:
Dear X-CAD Registrant:

We at Alibre are excited about our new Xpress product, and welcome you as a customer. We are confident that once you try the product, you will share our enthusiasm.

When we first revealed details of this program, we got some negative reaction, which quite frankly caught us off guard. Most of those with complaints felt that they were mislead by our promotional campaign. We have taken time to go back and review that campaign, trying to see it from the eyes of someone outside the Alibre family, and realize now that there were several times where our enthusiasm for this new product led to our making exaggerated claims. I will not offer an excuse, but rather an apology and clarification of what we should, in retrospect, have said:

We variously referred to X-CAD as one of the most powerful parametric modelers on the market, or campared it to mid-range parametric modelers costing $5,000 to $30,000.

This, as you've seen from our subsequent communication, was not true. We should have described it as a significant subset of a powerful professional parametric modeling system. While it might be fairly described as a demo program, it is different from most demos in that it is not time-limited, and there are no limits on functions such as file saving or printing, necessary to do real work with the system. The primary limit is on the number of parts that can be included in a single assembly, meaning that it will not substitute for a full-fledged product where very complex models must be built.

In our FAQ, we included the following:
How is X-CAD able to be given away free?
Yes, we are spending inordinate amounts of money, but we think it is worth it. You get CAD that typically costs thousands of dollars and we get a relationship with you and learn how to make this the best 3D solid modeler on the market today

Well, that was true, as far as it went. However, like most half-truths, it had the effect of deceiving. The real answer to how it is being giving away for free is, as you have become aware, that it will display advertising. We really beleive that system we will be using for the ads is secure, and it will not collect any information on you, your computer, or your computer usage. Further, we believe that most people, particularly occasional users, will not find these ads distracting or otherwise objectionable.

We said that this program would be free, but only to the first 100,000 registrants.

I frankly don't know what we were thinkng of when we wrote that, since it has been our intention all along to make this free for everyone who is willing to accept the advertising. While we are not willing to make this free (in the sense of no advertising) to you, we have attempted to recognize your contribution to our success in the 100,000 camipaign by relaxing some of the design restrictions on the version you will get, while further restricting the number of parts avaialble to those who were not in the original 100,000

Finally, we have found out that cutting people out of the forums because of their strident views has just moved them to other venues. At this point, this forum will be open to anyone registering with an email address that is in our database for the X-CAD program or who is an existing Alibre customer for another product. HOWEVER, VULGARITY AND NAME-CALLING WILL NOT BE TOLERATED. This includes calling someone, either by name or generically, a scam-artist, freeloader, troll, shill, etc. Once downloads of Xpress begin, we will have another area in these forums for technical support, open only to existing customers and those who have downloaded the product.

Remember, the above is from my imagination alone. I don't know that Alibre management would agree with anything said there. But saying it helps me realize that I am looking forward to this product, and there is not much point in debating (can a debate have only one side?) these issues with Alibre or worrying about their reputation among those they have attacted here.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Tue, 26 Jul 2005 16:38:37 EDT

Logan 5 :

said by rahlquist :

Alibre if you have nothing to hide, then why do you hide so much?

IMHO: It's not so much actually hiding anything, but rather it's about control (or the lack of it) by making statements outside of their forums where only they have 100% say in what is posted or removed and the content of each message.

It's why Greg Milliken refused to come here and it's why they have not (and presumably will not) release any *official* statememts any place except through their website or their PR Mouthpiece Jessica Formosa.

Interesting also to know that their PR shill is also a moderator on their forums....Guess that makes it real easy to control the flow of information and spin it any way that they like it

JP Formosa....HMMMMM

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Tue, 26 Jul 2005 15:23:15 EDT

rahlquist : Well the thread I posted in is still there. My posts are gone though! LOL You can see some of my stuff in peoples quoted replies. They cant even decide what to show and what not.

Alibre if you have nothing to hide, then why do you hide so much?
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Tue, 26 Jul 2005 11:46:30 EDT

Rogue Wolf : Allow myself to quote... myself. :D

said by Rogue Wolf :

Look at it this way. If it's a scam, they've run into the WRONG group of people. Some of the BBR regulars have proven to be quite adept at nailing online scammers. :D

I don't think I'll be proven wrong. ;)
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Tue, 26 Jul 2005 11:15:38 EDT

salzan : Hi ticked. You did a good job on your journey to the Dark Side. :)

Welcome to BBR.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Tue, 26 Jul 2005 11:12:28 EDT

Sat_Man : I don't see it. They must have pulled it again!

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Tue, 26 Jul 2005 10:25:28 EDT

rahlquist : Wow, interesting, one of the threads I posted in has reappeared.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Tue, 26 Jul 2005 03:13:25 EDT

anon : They banned me today (twice, I created another login to re-post and they immediately banned it too). For the same reasons -- having an opposing viewpoint. I said nothing offensive or attacking -- they just apparently decided they had had enough of free speech on their forum.

Anyway, I cached the X-CAD site (and much of the forum also) before they took most of it down, after I see what the software is like, will consider at least complaints to the BBB and FTC, if not a class action lawsuit on contingency.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 25 Jul 2005 23:19:20 EDT

rahlquist :

said by entropy1 :

Hurry up so I can read it. :p

LOL you act like I am an author or something. Its posted. ")

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 25 Jul 2005 22:32:34 EDT

BetaTron : OMG... now that's funny.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 25 Jul 2005 21:28:25 EDT

TheEternalTroll : This is funny. I went to rahlquist's site and on the google ads portion, Xcad is listed at the top. I hope that they are billed for this ad space. (Look in the bottom right corner)

ironic

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 25 Jul 2005 20:44:08 EDT

salzan : Well, they've banned me as well and they really have no reason other than objection to opposing views. :mad:

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 25 Jul 2005 19:45:52 EDT

salzan :

said by rahlquist :

Well they deleted my thread and banned me

The problem lies with the Mods keyboards....

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 25 Jul 2005 19:28:12 EDT

spamd : Check out what Google News digs up. Also notice all the corp publicity from Alibre trying to up there Google rankings in news.
»news.google.com/news?q=Alibre&hl···N&tab=wn
»www.animationartist.com/articles···id=33581
»www.marketwire.com/mw/release_ht···id=91291

quote:
"It's amazing that vendors in this market rely upon customer-hostile policies such as encrypted file formats and forced product retirements/upgrades -- and even more amazing: their customers stand for it. We believe these oppressive practices and the companies that engage in them have basically caused the industry to stagnate, and we're out to change things.

"I also want to emphasize that Alibre Design Xpress is not a 'bait and switch' offer. We believe that by providing very high value software to a lot of people, and then engaging with them to learn from them -- while building trust by respecting their privacy and requests to opt-out of our communications -- we will increase sales of our flagship Alibre Design product family."

Editorial contact:
Jessica Formosa
Alibre Inc.
972-671-8492 x257
»www.marketwire.com/mw/emailprcnt···CFC8C1F0

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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:05:53 EDT

entropy1 : Hurry up so I can read it. :p

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 25 Jul 2005 17:28:51 EDT

rahlquist : Well they deleted my thread and banned me, not like I dont own 4 domains plus a gmail account that I cant re-register on. Nothing like acting like a bunch of raving cowards and hiding from the truth. None of my posts had any profainity, slanderous or libelous acusations. It was simple truth.

LOL gotta love it. Oh well guess I will have to post a long update on »patentlystupid.com all about how they are handling this.
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 25 Jul 2005 15:04:08 EDT

W7PSK : I Pressed Opt out and deleted everything. I wont be using their software, nor recommending their products.

I believed we would get a decent But not a full power 3D package and No one mentioned Online Ads. That's the Problem I have. That and the CEO playing the Dance around the answers game.
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 25 Jul 2005 15:01:59 EDT

Loker :

said by 2kmaro :

said by salzan :

So, if they have a window in Alibre Xpress that's actually a browser that is set to view a page on the Alibre site which carries the Google ads, is that still a violation of Google's terms?

Anyone electing to continue using it better hope it's just a window, can you imagine trying to rotate a 3D rendering over a 56K line?

I can not even browse the internet on dial up without screaming I can not imagine working in a CAD program if it really is dependent on your connection
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 25 Jul 2005 01:27:03 EDT

Catfish_ : »biz.yahoo.com/iw/050630/089974.html

Looks like they did a good job trying to build hype about this product, article included. Viral marketing is not a good idea if it leaves 100,000 people with a bad taste in their mouth. Hopefully everyone will be pleasantly surprised with the software come August 1. No loss for anyone here if it doesn't, just another company using a slightly-less-than-ethical marketing strategy.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 24 Jul 2005 22:23:55 EDT

rahlquist : Just gotta wonder if using their 'free' software the eula includes a clause where whatever you deisgn is theirs. Kinda like when you submit a photo to a photo contest and in some cases you can kiss your rights to that submitted photo good bye......
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 24 Jul 2005 22:07:39 EDT

dadkins :

said by 2kmaro :

Anyone electing to continue using it better hope it's just a window, can you imagine trying to rotate a 3D rendering over a 56K line?

DAMN! :hmm:

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 24 Jul 2005 21:21:17 EDT

2kmaro :

Anyone electing to continue using it better hope it's just a window, can you imagine trying to rotate a 3D rendering over a 56K line?
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 24 Jul 2005 20:51:16 EDT

Doctor Olds : There is one known free CAD program here:

»[FREE] BlueCAD 1.0 version, for Windows and OS/2

While it is older, it is "for real" plus "it is free" (as in free ) and with no strings attached, hidden gotcha's or any trickery being involved it may fit the bill fine for some people.

»www.cadwaresoft.com/eng/html/blu···res.html


Features:
 
    * 2D CAD System.
    * User friendly graphical interface.
    * Drag&drop and clipboard support.
    * More than 100 commands:
          o Creation of a complete set of drawing 
            entities such segments, circles, hatchings,
            texts, dimensions, blocks and splines.
          o Editing as trimming, chamfering and partial
            deletion.
          o Geometrical transformations as translation,
            rotation, mirroring and stretching.
          o Managing attributes as color, line type, line
            thickness, level and a wide range of text
            attributes, dimension attributes and hatching
            attributes.
          o Performing viewing operations such enlargement,
            reduction, zooming, either within a single
            window or multiple viewports.
    * Contextual menus.
    * Associative dimensioning.
    * Layers and blocks management.
    * Basic block libraries.
    * Snap to graphical entities main points.
    * Grid.
    * Complete on-line help system.
    * Print management: all the operating system 
      compatible formats.
    * Input/output from/to other CAD products 
         using DXF format (up to version 12).
    * Reading BMP, GIF, PCX, TIF, TGA, XBM, IAX, 
      IMG formats.
    * Scientific Calculator with interpreter of formulas.
    * Programmable using C/C++ (Windows) or 
      REXX (OS/2) language.

[att=1]

At least until we can find out more about this mess that is called X-CAD.....

Regards,

Doctor Olds
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IANAL either

Sun, 24 Jul 2005 20:18:01 EDT

salzan : Hopefully, they'll respond to your post on their forum.
Before they delete it.

The response should be interesting.

:hmm:

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 24 Jul 2005 20:05:24 EDT

rahlquist :

IANAL, but from what I see in the policy I would say yes. Google isnt in the business of supporting adware or providing revenue streams for it. If they let this happen it will be setting a precedent and may degrade the perception of their adsense product. IMHO they will cut the account off.
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 24 Jul 2005 20:04:52 EDT

ropeguru : My thought is, yes. Because the ad is being displayed because of a third party program. Hence, they only display when the CAD program is running. And the CAD program is what causes them to be displayed.
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 24 Jul 2005 20:01:02 EDT

salzan : So, if they have a window in Alibre Xpress that's actually a browser that is set to view a page on the Alibre site which carries the Google ads, is that still a violation of Google's terms?

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 24 Jul 2005 19:17:03 EDT

catseyenu :

said by rahlquist :

I certainly didn’t think you would mind someone so willing to help you with your up front honesty to the internet community!

Heh! :)
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 24 Jul 2005 18:50:45 EDT

H2OuUp2 : I can reverse engineer it, and eliminate the need for an Internet connection, but whats the use.

This is junk.
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 24 Jul 2005 18:15:18 EDT

rahlquist : Ok I went ahead and contacted Google AdSense since I too am a AdSense member and I hate to see them sully the name of a working ad program.

The company Alibre is in direct violation of Google's AdSense terms. They recently represented to the public that they would be able to get a free copy of their CAD software if 100,000 people signed up. However they have now announce their CAD software will have Google AdSense ads displayed in it. Since CAD software is not a web browser nor is it displaying a web site its clearly in violation of section 5 subsection (vi) of your terms. This comapany is also attempting to earn a profit with a shady business dealing and is dragging the Google name into the mud with the over 100,000 peopl who signed up for this offer. I certainly hope you consider this what it is, a rip off of Google's advertisers and the public and that you take the appropriate action.

More information can be found here;

»www.alibre.com/xpress/software/s···ents.asp
»/r0/download/8···mail.png
»[Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

I even let Greg know so they wouldnt get an ugly suprise.
»www.alibre.com/xpress/forum/view···=403#403
In case my message gets accidentially deleted here is the content I posted.

Wouldn’t miss it for the world!

Oh btw. Since you’re so up front and honest with everyone, I helped out with what I am certain must simply be another oversight on the part of your company. Similar to the honest mistake about not needing an internet connection to use your ‘free’ software product.

I contacted Google for you to inform them of the obvious mistake you made bundling your CAD software with AdSense ad content since that is a violation of Section 5 subsection (vi) of the Google AdSense Online Standard Terms and Conditions. Which you can lookup here ( »https://www.google.com/adsense/localized-terms ). I certainly didn’t think you would mind someone so willing to help you with your up front honesty to the internet community! Since a violation of this nature means that likely you will get your AdSense account closed I guess this means that the end users who signed up in good faith hoping to get some free software (not crippled adware) may get their wish.

Good luck with your future endeavors.

Richard Ahlquist

I guess everyone will just have to be honest now :)
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 24 Jul 2005 17:49:07 EDT

rahlquist : Well Dr, like I said in my earlier post. Bundling Google ads displayed in something that is not a "Web Site" is a violation of the google adsense rules. Simply complain to google and I am willing to be their profit for this clearly underhanded attempt to make a profit off something they promised to everyone as free will come to an end.
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 24 Jul 2005 13:57:17 EDT

salzan : It's hard to figure this out without actually having the software but I think the patent referenced by Logan5 in this post is starting to make sense. I'm thinking Alibre Design software functions as an IE shell. Albeit a very complicated one.

I will download this demo if for no other reason than to read the EULA. With a fresh TI8 image in hand, I may even install it.

Which brings to mind copy protection schemes....

Internet Explorer ??? MSVM ???

Sun, 24 Jul 2005 13:28:02 EDT

salzan : The connection with IE may be partially explained in this quote from the Alibre Forum:

Bold Mine

Said By MikeB

What is it that Wildfire/Advantage will do that Alibre can't? I say that the seat of Alibre that I bought for $595 will do everything that Wildfire?Advantage will do and more for 1/10 the price. For example, if I had Advantage would I be able to open a file residing on my computer on your screen over the internet, chat about the design and even allow you to modify the file from your computer? I can even do a group collaboration like this with a group of people all over the world. Can you do this with the Pro/E product?

Is IE the workspace?

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 24 Jul 2005 10:48:26 EDT

gbh2o : Well it appears that the old saying that nothing is free is true. Unless you are willing to PAY, an internet connection is required as is viewing Google Ads!!! This is an excerpt of the email I received.

"All free versions of Alibre Design Xpress require an Internet connection and will display a banner of Google ads through a built-in web page. No third-party adware is installed on your system. If your Internet connection is lost we have taken steps to ensure that you can save your work. The Internet connection requirement can be turned off for a small fee."

Can we all say SCAM

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 24 Jul 2005 08:55:26 EDT

Doctor Olds : You know how Spam email starts out by saying "this is not Spam"? And you quickly see that it is indeed Spam. Straight to the Trash it goes with the other Spam that at least doesn't try so hard to insult your intelligence while offering you the cure for what they think you need.

Well look at this!!

»www.alibre.com/xpress/news/press-release.asp

quote:
Milliken continued, "Alibre Design Xpress is
[snip]
"It's amazing that vendors in this market rely upon customer-hostile policies such as encrypted file formats and forced product retirements/upgrades - and even more amazing: their customers stand for it. We believe these oppressive practices and the companies that engage in them have basically caused the industry to stagnate, and we're out to change things.

"I also want to emphasize that Alibre Design Xpress is not a 'bait and switch' offer. We believe that by providing very high value software to a lot of people, and then engaging with them to learn from them -- while building trust by respecting their privacy and requests to opt-out of our communications -- we will increase sales of our flagship Alibre Design product family."

Build trust? It's too late for that now.

This whole mess smells like "bait and switch" to me. Looks like a "bait and switch" scam to me. The stench is lingering (dare I say continuously wafting) around ever since I first read the significant and vast differences in the presented offer at X-CAD.com (a no longer available web site) and the real lame deal at Alibre.com's web site :[ It's very sickening. :huh:

Plus to see they are now giving anyone the same deal as the original 100,000 were only to get and that shows there is not a cutoff and the special group does not exist as we were misled to believe we were in. Hurry now and get the same screwing as everyone else. It's Ad-Ware, folks.

How can you use something at your own pace when you have to be online to even run it and god forbid your connection drops, or the kids chasing the cat get it to run under the desk and disconnect the modem power cable causing you to lose your work when the program shuts down due to no internet connection? Do other CAD programs put you under that much stress?
»64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:W9···p+&hl=en

quote:
A spokesperson for X-CAD said, "X-CAD is going to radically change the market for 3D software, prompting a mass adoption of 3D by 2D users who will learn and use it at their own pace
[snip]
X-CAD will provide state-of-the-art 3D technology."

The spokesperson continues, "X-CAD will especially appeal to the millions of users doing 2D drafting who won't consider 3D as long as it costs $4,000 to $5,000 and remains difficult to learn and use. X-CAD provides a golden opportunity for these people because it is free, but only to the first 100,000 lucky people who register by August 1. They really can't afford to miss this offer."

I feel really lucky that I can install AD-Ware on my PC and that my registration holds no special access to a real CAD program like I was misled to believe. Don't you all?

Plus this so-called software has a built in browser (what other CAD program has that? Is that the "state of the art" mentioned above?) to display these Google Ads and when you lose your ISP connection you also lose your un-saved work as the program exits on it own, too bad for us lucky registrants. If you were fast enough you would know to save every 1 minute and then work for 2 minutes only to stop working to save again. Right? That's productive software too.

Who has tested this built in browser's security? Anyone? That alone is enough to turn any engineer and any budding users with any security sense completely off in regards to this crap-ware. Who needs the stress and has the time to make sure the Internet is uninterrupted while we get up to stretch, or take a bathroom break, or walk the dog for 5 minutes to come back and find the program closed and the work lost due to a 30 second Internet connection drop or because someone needed to use the phone.

Looking at their downloads page:

»www.alibre.com/support/downloads.aspx

Anyone can see they are hosting the discontinued Microsoft Java and DirectX 8 Files on their servers (I thought only MS is allowed by law to do that? Hmm) and there is no mention of being able to use Sun Java at all since all XP SP1b, SP2 systems do not have Microsoft Java installed since Microsoft has discontinued it. MS Java is now unsupported, plus it is obsolete and still has security issues depending on the build. I really want their Software now, don't you? There is no mention that it will work with Sun Java anywhere that I looked.

Plus they want us to swallow that this "ad-supported", "limited features" and "restricted to online use only (If you want to save your work)" software typically is sold to people in the 3K to 5K price range? Where? What people?

I want what I was led to believe I was getting. Nothing less and nothing more. I think that is how most reasonable people would feel after reading what the first web site promised compared to what they are trying to shove down our throats. Am I wrong?

»64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:wL···p+&hl=en

quote:
How is X-CAD able to be given away free?
Yes, we are spending inordinate amounts of money, but we think it is worth it. You get CAD that typically costs thousands of dollars and we get a relationship with you and learn how to make this the best 3D solid modeler on the market today

Really? Ad-Ware/Ad-Supported/Crippled and Missing features CAD software sells in the open market for $3,000.00 to 5,000.00 USD? To who? Can they list the customers that bought this 3K to 5K AD-Ware CAD software that has to be online to work or save files? It sure doesn't sound at all plausible to me.

»64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:wL···p+&hl=en

quote:
What does this software typically cost?
X-CAD is a 3D parametric solid modeler. These range from $5K - $30K on the market today. The value lies not only in the extreme technical depths of engineering knowledge required to build such a powerful program, but also in the elegance of design so the user has the best possible experience designing their 3D geometry precisely.

Right! I will never fall for that bag of crap. Sorry. People in CAD (or really interested in it) are the ones that *do* read the manual, we do compare *exact" specifications and a lot of us work in thousands of an inch accuracy (or have in the past like myself). This isn't 3-D Deck Design software is it? I've seen that for $5.95 at Home Depot and Lowes. :o Or does their entire product lineup have the Google ADs when you pay 3K to 5K?

»64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:EZ···p+&hl=en

quote:
Not a demo or trial software, X-CAD provides fully-functional, intelligent, parametric sketching with an array of rich features such as "on-the-fly" automatic constraint capture, auto-dimensioning, various sketch tools including lines, circles, arcs, polygons, splines, etc., and a complete set of constraints such as vertical/horizontal, perpendicular, parallel, tangent and more. Rather than creating "dumb" geometry like traditional CAD systems, X-CAD enables users to capture design intent with feature-based modeling including engineering features such as bosses, cuts, holes, fillets, chamfers, lofts, sweeps, shells and helical features.

Fully Functional means it will have *every* single listed feature above and that it will not have a Ad-Browser built in or require Internet connectivity to run the Application or just to save your work. Can any really think that people would fall for this ruse? It the program had been described truthfully, they might have 40 to 110 people sign up in two months, but we know that the truth is sadly missing as the facts are now being presented. I say shame on them and their business ethics. This very well could affect their entire business. I know I have to explain to quite a few people that I mad a huge mistake in telling them to register and I've got egg on my face. I stood up however and admitted I made the error. I hope it doesn't cost me any business in the future. Trust is so easy to lose and yet one of the hardest things to regain.

At it's very best, this is a Crippled, Ad-Ware Product with only a few basic features with the rest missing and crippled. It sure is not a 3-5k product by any stretch of the imagination. It's not equivalent to one in that price range as the public was led to believe either. :[

NOTE: For people that want to save the original HTML pages (or capture their own images) for their own personal use then below are the links to them:

They will not last long at Google so get them fast.....

HOME page
»64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:zD···/+&hl=en

FAQ page
»64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:wL···p+&hl=en

Press Release page
»64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:W9···p+&hl=en

View Launch Press Release page
»64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:EZ···p+&hl=en

Media Coverage page
»64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:cx···p+&hl=en

If I've rambled, I do apologize, but the trickery that this company has pulled on us should not go unpunished. It's an outright scam in my humble opinion. Even our "1 of the lucky 100,000" only getting this exclusive offer as promised was not kept since they say now anyone (registered or not) can download the same Ad-Ware Program we had to register for. What value is there in that now? NONE.

What they are offering now is not what they originally presented to us.

Regards,

Doctor Olds
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 24 Jul 2005 06:08:30 EDT

Doctor Olds :

said by McSummation :

Ah, but you need to go to the "complete requirements" page to see the "good stuff" - »www.alibre.com/xpress/software/s···ents.asp

quote:
+ Active Desktop

That's just so great. :mad: I have two applications that will not run when Active Desktop is enabled. I bet the need for Active Desktop is only for the Ad-Window by Google to display only ADs and it's not truly a program requirement if the ADs were not there.

Regards,

Doctor Olds
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 24 Jul 2005 03:15:46 EDT

2kmaro : That's over on the Alibre site - which, to the best of my recollection at the time I signed up, wasn't even referenced.

Refer back to Doctor Olds post with cached pics - that's the page I saw and used and it makes no mention of Alibre at all, and no links directly indicating "system requirements".

If nothing else, X-CAD has created a marketing error of rather large (I hesitate to say monumental, but screwing over 100,000 people would probably come close to that) marketing screw up.

I would personally hope at this point that all 100,000 entitled people download the software and put it away without ever using it and without ever recommending it to anyone.

While caveat emptor certainly is a valid watchword (or two watch words), and we all know about looking gift horses in the mouth; none of us likes to be put into a position where we feel we've been lied to and flat been screwed over. An old car salesman I knew for some years once told me that "... as long as the customer walks away feeling good, he didn't get screwed." I don't feel good about this deal.
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then think again!

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 24 Jul 2005 02:00:18 EDT

SweetDelight : Google Ads? Hah, Blocked at my routers.

As for the site, I'll add it also to the router, and People will find a way to get around requiring a internet connection .

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 24 Jul 2005 01:42:40 EDT

salzan : Even in his own "controlled" environment he never actually engaged in any dialogue with anyone. All I saw were assembled announcements. Unless I missed something.

It could be that to have an open, honest discussion could put him on shaky legal ground.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 24 Jul 2005 01:15:07 EDT

HappyFrappy :

said by FenglerF1 :

its worth a try. lol
i should have put the little sarcasm things on my last post.

heh, I sensed the sarcasm but had to put a spin on using MS as an example. Still such a company pulling this sort of idea sets a horrible direction to ad-sponsored products and extreme limitations upon operations(25 objects, jeez this is useless for many people).

As for someone else noting the Google Ad Sense, I remember reading those terms before and wondered how this company could integrate or spawn an IE session without violating the Google terms. Hopefully enough people sent complaints.

Looks like Alibre/X-Cad will see some geek cartoon spoofs in the next few days. :D

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 24 Jul 2005 01:09:46 EDT

Logan 5 :

said by salzan :

I think Mr. Milliken has decided that the fires are out and there's really no need to deal with us anymore.

If so, then he's sorely underestimated the members of BBR especially when they have been wronged and are seeking answers.

I honestly think that he was afraid of being flamed and trolled even despite my assurances that (for the most part) BBR members can maintain and behave themselves.

Considering that posts in his forums which he decided were 'insulting' or 'critical' of his/their handling of the X-Cad Fiasco or considered 'not relevant' were immediately deleted, it's sadly not surprising he would avoid coming here where he'd have no control over the editorial content.

I along with most here would have looked forward to seeing his reply. Who knows, maybe he will surprise us all and post here, but it's looking more and more like that will never come to pass....

Great way to handle your Public Relations Greg.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 24 Jul 2005 01:07:12 EDT

entropy1 : I've shown this thread to my husband and he will be letting all his colleagues know to avoid this deceitful company. We don't buy the excuses of having a "bad marketing team" and having made "mistakes". Shame on Alibre. May they struggle to regain respect after this reprehensible trickery.

Also, I'd like to say that some of this "Greg" character's remarks seem much less than professional. I avoid doing business with someone as soon as I detect a hint of unprofessional communication. It certainly reflects on the quality of service and product you will will receive from them.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 24 Jul 2005 00:50:50 EDT

salzan : I think Mr. Milliken has decided that the fires are out and there's really no need to deal with us anymore.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 24 Jul 2005 00:12:15 EDT

Logan 5 :

said by 2kmaro :

Did I miss something, was there mention of an internet connection in that as a requirement for operation?

As Ed McMahon would have said: "You are Corrent Sir!"

Re: Yuck

Sat, 23 Jul 2005 23:53:23 EDT

Maxo :

said by entropy1 :

I hate crap that requires IE.

Not as bad as when something requires realplayer.
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»www.cafepress.com/maxolasersquad

Yuck

Sat, 23 Jul 2005 23:49:40 EDT

entropy1 : I hate crap that requires IE.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sat, 23 Jul 2005 23:44:19 EDT

McSummation : Ah, but you need to go to the "complete requirements" page to see the "good stuff" - »www.alibre.com/xpress/software/s···ents.asp

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sat, 23 Jul 2005 23:32:37 EDT

2kmaro : Around 10:30 p.m. Central time. Yo! Greg! Greg? Ohhhh Greggggg...

Another point to ponder, from the 2nd pic that Doctor Olds retrieved from the archives:

What will the system requirements be for X-CAD?
X-CAD requires the Windows OS, 512 MB RAM and a Pentium III-based computer.

Did I miss something, was there mention of an internet connection in that as a requirement for operation?
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sat, 23 Jul 2005 22:48:27 EDT

Cudni : and i stayed extra late to read Mr Milliken contributions

Cudni

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sat, 23 Jul 2005 22:33:15 EDT

avantare : Heh, 10:30 EST and still a no-show. Wonder what his excuse will be if and when (hahaha) he does show up. I'm not holding my breath but I'll be stopping by a couple times a day to keep tabs on this BS.

EDIT ADD: Has this topic been seen on Slashdot yet? Talk about *really* opening a can of worms then I bet.

Chuck
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A computer is not a tool. When was the last time you had to do maintenance on your screwdriver?

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sat, 23 Jul 2005 21:54:13 EDT

heels_fan : I respect you position on that.....Not many people still feel that way today..I commend you

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sat, 23 Jul 2005 21:50:25 EDT

rahlquist : Hey!

The soloution is simple. It is against googles adsense policy to include adsense ads in ANY third party application. So since they are violating the policy simple everyone email google and request their adsense account be closed.

Here is the information!

And I quote!

5. Prohibited Uses. You shall not, and shall not authorize or encourage any third party to:......(vi) directly or indirectly access, launch and/or activate Ads, Links or Search Results through or from, or otherwise incorporate the Ads, Links or Search Results in, any software application, Web site or other means other than Your Site(s), and then only to the extent expressly permitted by this Agreement (e.g., while Search Results may be indirectly accessed from Your Site(s), they may only be displayed on the appropriate Google-hosted Web page);

Bwahahhahah
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Know about something stupid?

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sat, 23 Jul 2005 21:43:05 EDT

Logan 5 :

said by heels_fan :

said by Logan 5 :

And if he doesn't, then that's just more evidence of his companies unwillingness to either justify their actions or even explain them. I've politely asked 2 times now, and I don't beg, so there's not going to be a 3rd request....

You're right heels_fan, I too hope that he does show today if for no other reason then the sake of his reputation in the internet community and for what's left of his companies reputation.

If he dosnt show, are you going to post the PMs that he sent to you?

That's a very good question that I am sure many people are curious to know the answer to.

I will say this: A person's word is their bond, so what kind of person would that make me if I did post them after I said I would not...? If I did post 'em anyway, that would make me no better then the person who *promises* to come here and give an accounting of their questionable marketing actions and then decides not to for whatever reason.

At the end of the day, when all is said and done, I will sleep better knowing that I did not betray a trust, which is probably more then a certain executive might be able to say......

said by Logan 5 :

He said more, but rather me just post his IM here (which I'm not going to do. I wouldn't do it here to someone, so out of respect I won't do it from there either) I am going to let him do the talking tomorrow and hopefully he will try to mend some fences and rebuild some bridges he's burned over the x-cad fiasco.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sat, 23 Jul 2005 21:22:33 EDT

Sat_Man : I did some checking on SilverPop a couple of day ago. They seem to be a legitimate company for mass mailings.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sat, 23 Jul 2005 20:53:30 EDT

ropeguru : 8:50 PM Eastern time here. Still no sign od Milliken. My guess is he is not going to show, or he is still having his lawyers write what to post here. My guess is he will be a now show.

I got my email today also. Looks like they outsource there email blasts.

Here is the Domain contacts for rm04.net:

SilverPOP Systems (DOM-151479)
200 Galleria Parkway Suite 750 Atlanta GA 30339 US

Silverpop is an email marketing service. Looks like they are legit.

»www.silverpop.com/

Did not see anything on my quick browsing of Google about them being spammers. But my worry is do they get a copy of the email addy's that Alibre got from us.
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sat, 23 Jul 2005 20:27:23 EDT

heels_fan :

If he dosnt show, are you going to post the PMs that he sent to you?
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The man who goes alone can start today; but he who travels with another must wait till that other is ready.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sat, 23 Jul 2005 17:59:10 EDT

Logan 5 : And if he doesn't, then that's just more evidence of his companies unwillingness to either justify their actions or even explain them. I've politely asked 2 times now, and I don't beg, so there's not going to be a 3rd request....

You're right heels_fan, I too hope that he does show today if for no other reason then the sake of his reputation in the internet community and for what's left of his companies reputation.

Re: Hmmmmmmmmm

Sat, 23 Jul 2005 17:52:48 EDT

heels_fan : how much more trouble could the guy get into if he doesnt show?

For the sake of the compay, i truely hope he does.
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The man who goes alone can start today; but he who travels with another must wait till that other is ready.

Hmmmmmmmmm

Sat, 23 Jul 2005 17:47:54 EDT

Logan 5 : I just sent another IM to Greg Milliken over at the Alibre forums, reminding him of his promise to appear here today and account for the recent actions leading up to the Alibre/X-Cad fiasco.

Hopefully he will keep his word.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sat, 23 Jul 2005 06:50:19 EDT

Doctor Olds : What a "bait and switch RIP OFF!! I would have never bothered in the first place to sign up for this garbage-ware if I had known these hidden details.

All free versions of Alibre Design Xpress require an Internet connection and will display a banner of Google ads through a built-in web page. No third-party adware is installed on your system. If your Internet connection is lost we have taken steps to ensure that you can save your work. The Internet connection requirement can be turned off for a small fee.

I hope they like the cell that the AG picks out for them. I've sent my complaint to mine.

Big Kudos to Google.com's Cache!! (since the original web pages were pulled from the Internet now to attempt to hide the truth that no mention was made of limitations like "Create and edit assemblies with up to 25 unique parts" wow, a toaster has more parts than that or the big no-no of being AD Supported and you must be online to use it were the true hidden wonderful groundbreaking features..) :[

[att=1][att=2][att=3][att=4]

This is scumware at best.

Regards,

Doctor Olds
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sat, 23 Jul 2005 03:28:45 EDT

FenglerF1 : its worth a try. lol
i should have put the little sarcasm things on my last post.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sat, 23 Jul 2005 02:25:24 EDT

HappyFrappy : FenglerF1, when a company makes a promo FAQ it should include the detail(s) of what the said free item requires and be totally upfront. Instead this company "collected 100,000 email addresses" without fully disclosing how this software will be 'free' and what to expect.

It doesn't matter if the issue is 3d modeling software or an application or game that pulls such a bait and switch upon those signing up, we are dealing with a questionable business decision that can influence other companies to act the same. Would you want MS to say "hey, the first 100,000 people to register will get WindowsXP free" and only to find out they'll cripple it via the system needs to be online to display ads at all times or it'll shut down?

hmmm, if this company can do such a thing maybe I *can* re-release some of my own shareware applications into adware editions as 'free' ;)

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sat, 23 Jul 2005 02:00:00 EDT

FenglerF1 : yeah i can see it now... 100,000 nerds cheated out of 3d modeling software. sorry if i offend you with the word "nerd"

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sat, 23 Jul 2005 01:50:32 EDT

mers2 : Any way you slice it this is not what they offered in the original faq. What they offered was "full featured" software. Now it turns out to be crippled adware. They will make money on those who install even if they don't upgrade through the ads. It will be interesting to see Greg's response here.
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sat, 23 Jul 2005 01:47:06 EDT

DonoftheDead : Their ad says it all. "Free software that typically costs thousands of dollars." I work with CAD/CAM. Real CAD programs cost tens of thousands of dollars. A CATIA workstation used to be about 50K back in the early 90's. Why would anyone give away expensive s/w for nothing. Selling the addys or spamming is peanuts compared to what they could get for selling a real CAD proggy. It might be good for teaching the basics of CAD. Don't want to know. Just my 2 bits worth.:)Edit: heels_fan beat me to it.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sat, 23 Jul 2005 01:43:59 EDT

salzan :

said by Logan 5 :

Or, at he very least we might get some sort of a straight answer to the big question on everyone's mind.

Stay tuned.....

In preparation for Greg's arrival, I still have the same questions as on the Alibre forum:

If this is truly an honest offer, how do you explain this from the Xpress FAQ

These are excerpts from »www.alibre.com/xpress/faq.asp

Quote:
How is Alibre Design Xpress able to be given away free?
Yes, we are spending inordinate amounts of money, but we think it is worth it. You get CAD that typically costs thousands of dollars and we get a relationship with you and learn how to make this the best 3D solid modeler on the market today.

Question:
How does providing adware supported demo software = spending inordinate amounts of money? What CAD that typically costs thousands of dollars is comparable with Design Express? How can you even imply that crippleware that calls home could possibly be worth thousands of dollars?

It should come as no surprise that people are expecting more than you are offering.

Quote:
What does this software typically cost?
Alibre Design Xpress is a 3D parametric solid modeler. These range from $5K - $30K on the market today. The value lies not only in the extreme technical depths of engineering knowledge required to build such a powerful program, but also in the elegance of design so the user has the best possible experience designing their 3D geometry precisely.

Question:
Again, this is very misleading. How can you compare Design Xpress to $5K and up software?

If you had said in your original offer: "Free crippled demo that calls home!" how many registrations do you think you would now have?

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sat, 23 Jul 2005 01:12:46 EDT

dadkins : It'll be on networks all over the place Aug 2! LOL! ;):p

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sat, 23 Jul 2005 00:59:32 EDT

salzan :

said by Logan 5 :

I received an IM today from Greg Millikin over at the Alibre forums.
He said more, but rather me just post his IM here (which I'm not going to do. I wouldn't do it here to someone, so out of respect I won't do it from there either)

I did post his IM to me and really didn't want to do so. After having a post deleted on their forum for IMO unsupported reasons, I really wasn't comfortable posting there any longer and wanted to share the "letter of deletion" with this forum.

The censorship policy really doesn't help anyone. It actually hurts the censor since they drive the issue to other arenas. Censors end up with little chance to respond or defend their positions.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sat, 23 Jul 2005 00:51:42 EDT

Sat_Man : This definitely curtails the use of a laptop unless you have a constant connection. What really bothers me is if an Internet connection is required to function then is the project you are working on being uploaded to their servers? If this is the case then they have access to all your work. This is not good!

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sat, 23 Jul 2005 00:38:11 EDT

Greg_Z : There are others out there that are better »www.download.com/3120-20_4-0.htm···tg=dl-20. The good thing about Linux is that you do not have to pay for GNU software. Sorry to hear that a company was looking into suckering people into a bait and switch like this 2kmaro, and the fact is even you did not know until it came to light as to what the company was doing, once it attracted people with the promise of a free software package.
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sat, 23 Jul 2005 00:30:37 EDT

2kmaro : I sent an email to their PR person via their PR@ email address on their Press Release page inviting them to join in the discussion on the front page here.

I received what looks like a standard announcement email from them this evening - no download link. I will quote this one line from it:

"All free versions of Alibre Design Xpress require an Internet connection and will display a banner of Google ads through a built-in web page. No third-party adware is installed on your system. If your Internet connection is lost we have taken steps to ensure that you can save your work. The Internet connection requirement can be turned off for a small fee. "

Well that pretty well makes it useless for taking out to customer locations that may be field locs without so much as a phone hookup, much less a broadband link. Unless of course I care to pay the "small fee" to turn off the internet connection requirement. And Google ads popping up while trying to present a concept to a client ... give me a break, I'm trying to look professional, not like the 21st century version of the guy with billboards stapped over his shoulders walking around advertising GOING OUT OF BUSINESS SALE TODAY! to all I pass by.

I thought they said "full featured" - and to me anything that requires an internet connection for operation, other than a web browser, is not "full featured". Full featured apps let me work in the self contained environment of a single workstation when required.

This free software is beginning to look less and less free with each passing day. I'm almost embarrassed to have invited other members of this site to check out the offer in the event they needed some professional 3D tools.

Call me old fashioned, a dinosaur (or caveman) from the days when a person's word meant something and a deal could be sealed with a handshake, but when someone says they're going to give me something free and then attaches strings to it, I get rather tight jawed.

[edit] - oh, the number I heard for turning off the internet required/Google ads "features" was $50.
$50 * 100,000 = $5,000,000.00 - healthy piece of change they're hoping for out of a 'free' piece of software?
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sat, 23 Jul 2005 00:11:55 EDT

pacman326 : I really hope he has a good answer for this. Because, I can't imagine how 99,999 other people could apparently get "it wrong", or "misunderstand" their offering. You wouldn't buy a lawnmower that read fully functional, and not come with a blade on the bottom to actually cut the grass!

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Fri, 22 Jul 2005 22:53:25 EDT

shwing : cool! looking foward to it

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Fri, 22 Jul 2005 22:23:58 EDT

FenglerF1 : Yay answers.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Fri, 22 Jul 2005 22:04:09 EDT

Logan 5 : I received an IM today from Greg Millikin over at the Alibre forums.

He promised me he would be posting in this thread tomorrow.

He said more, but rather me just post his IM here (which I'm not going to do. I wouldn't do it here to someone, so out of respect I won't do it from there either) I am going to let him do the talking tomorrow and hopefully he will try to mend some fences and rebuild some bridges he's burned over the x-cad fiasco.

Or, at he very least we might get some sort of a straight answer to the big question on everyone's mind.

Stay tuned.....

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Fri, 22 Jul 2005 21:48:58 EDT

Sat_Man : I just got my email also. I guess we'll see!

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Fri, 22 Jul 2005 21:31:18 EDT

lilhurricane :

said by FenglerF1 :

no extra spam here... i to just got the x-cad letter that salzan just posted.

Same

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Fri, 22 Jul 2005 21:29:58 EDT

Rogue Wolf : Well well, look what I got in my Gmail account not too long ago (popped up through Firefox's Gmail extension behind my World of Warcraft screen):

Hi ,

Thanks to your participation in the X-CAD 100,000 Seat Giveaway we have reached the goal of 100,000 registrations early!

Some of you may not have heard, we announced on Wednesday that Alibre is the company behind X-CAD and X-CAD is Alibre Design Xpress, the newest member of the Alibre Design product family.

As of August 1, Alibre Design Xpress will be available to all for free. But, as one of the first 100,000 to register, you're getting a little more.

For you Alibre Design Xpress will include all the features listed on the new Alibre Design Xpress site, plus:

* Advanced part modeling, which includes features like shelling, 3D sketch, reference surfaces, etc. View the Alibre Design brochure on our web site for the full part modeling feature set.

* Create and edit assemblies with up to 25 unique parts. You can open an assembly with more parts in read-only mode.

* Create 2D drawings with standard orthographic views. All drawings are fully associative: you change the model and the drawing updates.

* 3D import/export of all the standard formats Alibre Design supports, including STEP, SAT (ACIS), and IGES. DXF and DWG are supported in 2D, and STL is supported for export.

All free versions of Alibre Design Xpress require an Internet connection and will display a banner of Google ads through a built-in web page. No third-party adware is installed on your system. If your Internet connection is lost we have taken steps to ensure that you can save your work. The Internet connection requirement can be turned off for a small fee.

On August 1, you will receive instructions on how to download the software. We had hoped to release it to you sooner, but given the nature of software development, we are in the final stages of quality testing. At this time we expect all to be ready for the August 1 release.

This is truly the best offer for parametric 3D CAD software available anywhere. When you get the download instructions, please complete the steps to download and install Alibre Design Xpress right away. The special offer you get as one of the first 100,000 expires on August 31, don't delay.

If you are no longer interested in Alibre Design Xpress and would like to be removed from all future email communications and eligibility for the extra features offered to the first 100,000 registrants, you may Unsubscribe here.

This isn't the end, there will be additional valuable incentives for engaging with us over time, so I encourage you to stay opted in to our email communications and participate in the short surveys and contests. We won't abuse your email address, we stand by our privacy policy and if you opt out, we won't send you messages.

Best Regards,
Greg Milliken
President and CEO
Alibre, Inc.

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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Fri, 22 Jul 2005 21:19:11 EDT

FenglerF1 : no extra spam here... i to just got the x-cad letter that salzan just posted.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Fri, 22 Jul 2005 20:49:58 EDT

pcdebb : oh, and I also noticed that my spam folder is seeing a little more traffic lately on this gmail account. normally i would see 5/10 a day, in the last two hours i have 22. coincidence? maybe...
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Fri, 22 Jul 2005 20:48:18 EDT

pcdebb :

said by GILXA1226 :

they are over 100,000.... anyone get the howto download e-mail yet?

I sort of just did, this very minute, got an email. i just copy/paste without the hyperlinks

Hi Debb,
Thanks to your participation in the X-CAD 100,000 Seat Giveaway we have reached the goal of 100,000 registrations early!

Some of you may not have heard, we announced on Wednesday that Alibre is the company behind X-CAD and X-CAD is Alibre Design Xpress, the newest member of the Alibre Design product family.

As of August 1, Alibre Design Xpress will be available to all for free. But, as one of the first 100,000 to register, you're getting a little more.

For you Alibre Design Xpress will include all the features listed on the new Alibre Design Xpress site, plus:

Advanced part modeling, which includes features like shelling, 3D sketch, reference surfaces, etc. View the Alibre Design brochure on our web site for the full part modeling feature set.

Create and edit assemblies with up to 25 unique parts. You can open an assembly with more parts in read-only mode.

Create 2D drawings with standard orthographic views. All drawings are fully associative: you change the model and the drawing updates.

3D import/export of all the standard formats Alibre Design supports, including STEP, SAT (ACIS), and IGES. DXF and DWG are supported in 2D, and STL is supported for export.

All free versions of Alibre Design Xpress require an Internet connection and will display a banner of Google ads through a built-in web page. No third-party adware is installed on your system. If your Internet connection is lost we have taken steps to ensure that you can save your work. The Internet connection requirement can be turned off for a small fee.

On August 1, you will receive instructions on how to download the software. We had hoped to release it to you sooner, but given the nature of software development, we are in the final stages of quality testing. At this time we expect all to be ready for the August 1 release.

This is truly the best offer for parametric 3D CAD software available anywhere. When you get the download instructions, please complete the steps to download and install Alibre Design Xpress right away. The special offer you get as one of the first 100,000 expires on August 31, don't delay.

If you are no longer interested in Alibre Design Xpress and would like to be removed from all future email communications and eligibility for the extra features offered to the first 100,000 registrants, you may Unsubscribe here.

This isn't the end, there will be additional valuable incentives for engaging with us over time, so I encourage you to stay opted in to our email communications and participate in the short surveys and contests. We won't abuse your email address, we stand by our privacy policy and if you opt out, we won't send you messages.

Best Regards,
Greg Milliken
President and CEO
Alibre, Inc.
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Fri, 22 Jul 2005 18:57:35 EDT

salzan : So, here's the latest from Alibre if anyone still cares:

said by "gregmilliken":
All,

Thanks to all who participated in the X-CAD 100,000 Seat Giveaway we have reached the goal of 100,000 registrations early!

As of August 1, Alibre Design Xpress will be available to all for Free. But, as a member of the first 100,000 to register, you’re getting a little more.

First, thanks to all for your participation on the forum to date. Although we’ve felt compelled to remove some posts, and ban some posters, please accept that this was in the spirit of keeping the forum useful for everyone. I have been contacted by many asking that we moderate the forum even more strictly, but I am not yet ready to take that step.

The purpose of this post is to inform everyone of what exactly the first 100,000 registrants get -– except for those who have opted out, because we can’t send them the link to get it.

The product will be released on August 1. The only thing preventing us from releasing it now is final quality testing. I will add one caveat: as in any software release, it is possible, while unlikely, that something could be found in the next few days that would cause us to delay a few days for a fix, but I don’t expect that. This is the nature of software development, so I hope you understand if that happens.

Now to cut to the chase, if you are one of the first 100,000 who registered, here’s what you’re going to get in Alibre Design Xpress:

1) Advanced part modeling, which includes features like shelling, 3D sketch, reference surfaces, etc. There are too many features to elaborate on each here, so go to the Alibre Design brochure on our web site to get the full feature set.

2) Assembly modeling up to 25 unique parts. Part instances don’t count, so an assembly with lots of common parts can actually consist of more than 25 non-unique components. If you open assemblies with more parts, they open in read-only mode.

3) 2D drawing creation including standard orthographic view types. All drawings are fully associative. You change the model and the drawing updates. If you open drawings with unsupported view types such as details, sections, broken views, and so on, these views will be displayed read-only.

4) 3D import/export of all the standard formats Alibre Design supports, including STEP, SAT (ACIS), and IGES. DXF and DWG are supported in 2D, and STL is supported for export.

The software requires an Internet connection and will display a banner of Google ads. No special or third-party adware is installed on your system. If the Internet connection is lost we have taken steps to ensure that you will have time to save your work, even if you have stepped away from the computer. The requirement for an Internet connection and the associated Google ad banner can be turned off for a small fee.

Here’s what you won’t get:

Unlimited Assembly size, all 2D view types in drawings, BOM, sheet metal and data management (these last two are in Alibre Design Professional anyway), and online collaboration data sharing and team design. Lastly, no technical support nor a commitment to provide updates to later versions. Of course, you can use the user forum for support and we hope you do. However, once the software is released we will be very strict about how the forum is used.

This is truly the best offer for parametric 3D CAD software available anywhere. When you get the download instructions, please complete the steps to download and install Alibre Design Xpress right away. The special offer you get as one of the first 100,000 expires on August 31, so don’t delay.

Those who registered after the goal of 100,000 was reached can still get Xpress, but it does not include the advanced modeling extension (i.e., shelling, 3D sketch, surfaces), it is restricted to 5 part assemblies, has no STEP, IGES or SAT import/export, and requires an Internet connection and displays ads.

There will also be paths for Xpress users to upgrade to other versions of the Alibre Design product family and we will publish those soon.

Also, I wanted to stress that there will be lots of valuable incentives for engaging with us over time, so I encourage you to stay opted in to our email communications and answer the short surveys we send you. If you opt out, we won’t send you any emails, but you will miss out.

One last note, please respect others on the forum. I am not just referring to the specific content of posts or personal attacks, but cluttering it with multiple redundant posts. Please use the forum for its intended purpose: to discuss the software. You are welcome to complain about something, but don’t belabor it, at that point you devalue the forum for everyone and that won’t be allowed.

Best Regards,
Greg Milliken
Alibre, Inc.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Fri, 22 Jul 2005 16:52:53 EDT

Nagrom Nniuq : Lawsuit. Those of us that are in the 100,000 really need to get organized and sue Alibre.

It should be a relatively simple lawsuit as we have obvious bait and switch and lying about the required internet connection.

If all of us got together on this they would have no choice but to settle.

Ideas?

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Fri, 22 Jul 2005 15:08:45 EDT

FenglerF1 : ignore me please

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Fri, 22 Jul 2005 13:22:19 EDT

rahlquist : It will be very interesting to see the Eula for this. Also you can bet that sooner or later someone will figure out a way to hack the ads into breaking.

The quote "You get CAD that typically costs thousands of dollars and we get a relationship with you and learn how to make this the best 3D solid modeler on the market today,"

Sounds like something a psychotic ex would say. "You got what you wanted from me and I got to know your name and got paid for it!"

Ok since it seems that my original wording has offended some let me put it simple and let yall decide what you think.

You, the client/customer gave payment (in the form of an email address) which usually means you will probably get some advertising material of some sort. In exchange you were supposed to get a product. This product was misrepresented and IMHO it was done intentionally. The CEO can whine about how the FAQ was honestly mistaken all he wants, but everyone in their company knew they were going to distribute adware. This is roughly akin to you ordering a white Cadilac and they say "Oh, no mr smith we dont put dealer name stickers on our cars." Then you take delivery on the car to find the dealer name emblazoned in hot pink across the trunk. When you confront the manager of the dealership he says "We always do that!"

I am willing to bet somewhere at some point someone in that company said "Don't mention the adware!"

No matter how much perfume you put on it this still stinks....

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Fri, 22 Jul 2005 13:05:56 EDT

catseyenu :

said by GILXA1226 :

they are over 100,000.... anyone get the howto download e-mail yet?

Nope, they can't even follow through with their release agreement.
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Fri, 22 Jul 2005 12:21:05 EDT

GILXA1226 : they are over 100,000.... anyone get the howto download e-mail yet?
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Fri, 22 Jul 2005 11:57:24 EDT

Loker :

said by Jovi :

said by Loker :

one of the mods over there is asking about DSLR lol

Saw that. I think this link would give them a better understanding of what he is dealing with.

»/who
That amount would scare me if I were in his shoes. :D

I did ;)
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Moderated

Fri, 22 Jul 2005 11:44:26 EDT

salzan : I got this from the CEO. I guess he's got time to moderate the forum.

said by "gregmilliken":
Salzan,

I welcome you to the forum but I have to ask that you also respect others as well. You have made your point and simply restating it multiple times in different ways really devalues the forum for everyone. I hope you understand.

It's not necessarily about the specific content of any one post, although personal attacks will be removed.

You are welcome to stay and participate if you would like if you find that acceptable.

Thanks,
Greg

This is in reference to my third post on their forum which was not redundant but obviously offensive to him.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Fri, 22 Jul 2005 11:43:39 EDT

AnnaS8 :

said by noogoo :

said by AnnaS8 :

When will folks learn You can't get something for nothing but you will always get nothing for something.

we got an annas8 quote for nothing.

Good one! lol Though I am going to doubt it was anything you were even remotely hoping to get. lol

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Fri, 22 Jul 2005 11:38:55 EDT

Jovi :

said by Loker :

one of the mods over there is asking about DSLR lol

Saw that. I think this link would give them a better understanding of what he is dealing with.

»/who
That amount would scare me if I were in his shoes. :D
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Fri, 22 Jul 2005 11:30:59 EDT

salzan :

said by Ken :

It's pretty bad reading their forum. Posts just keep disappearing left and right from anybody with anything negative to say.

The message from the CEO thread would be 10 pages long if it were complete.:hmm:

My last post disappeared within minutes.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Fri, 22 Jul 2005 11:28:48 EDT

Loker : one of the mods over there is asking about DSLR lol

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Fri, 22 Jul 2005 11:24:39 EDT

Jovi : I was thinking the same thing.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Fri, 22 Jul 2005 11:17:36 EDT

mikefxu :

Am I reading the abstract from this link correctly??

»patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sec..

If I didn't know better, I'd swear that Alibre has patented Distributed Computing..............??

EDIT: From the abstract "Modeling three-dimensional objects on a computer system via a high bandwidth distributed network"

Sounds like the S@H Screensaver to me.....

So does that mean they are seceretly stealing all your work over the internet?

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Fri, 22 Jul 2005 11:07:43 EDT

Loker : well I was going to use this to test see if it is something my dad might be interested in for his shop (he makes machine parts for the companies that make parts of the checkout lanes at wal mart, meijers, etc.) but I think I will probably look at a trial from another company if they can not handle being honest
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Fri, 22 Jul 2005 10:57:00 EDT

markwp2001 :

said by noogoo :

said by AnnaS8 :

When will folks learn You can't get something for nothing but you will always get nothing for something.

we got an annas8 quote for nothing.

chuckle
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Fri, 22 Jul 2005 10:01:40 EDT

Ken : It's pretty bad reading their forum. Posts just keep disappearing left and right from anybody with anything negative to say.
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Fri, 22 Jul 2005 06:04:42 EDT

noogoo :

said by AnnaS8 :

When will folks learn You can't get something for nothing but you will always get nothing for something.

we got an annas8 quote for nothing.
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Fri, 22 Jul 2005 03:50:38 EDT

anon : They got four email addresses from me. That should be worth something nice...

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Fri, 22 Jul 2005 03:14:07 EDT

AnnaS8 : When will folks learn You can't get something for nothing but you will always get nothing for something.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Fri, 22 Jul 2005 02:06:04 EDT

salzan : Works fine here too.

What is funny is that when I first went there yesterday it was a quiet little forum with 4 threads. Now it's almost got a full page and they're not technical questions. It actually wouldn't surprise me if their forum did just disappear...

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Fri, 22 Jul 2005 01:55:30 EDT

Logan 5 :

said by cow116 :

LMFAO Hey guys guess what. As of 12:51 CST AM Friday july 22nd of 2005 i cannot get to the alibre forums AT ALL.

Hey 'Bro:
Clear your temp files. It's working here ok for me (ATM)

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Fri, 22 Jul 2005 01:54:59 EDT

Maxo :

said by cow116 :

LMFAO Hey guys guess what. As of 12:51 CST AM Friday july 22nd of 2005 i cannot get to the alibre forums AT ALL.

I can get there no problem.
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Fri, 22 Jul 2005 01:50:53 EDT

cow116 : LMFAO Hey guys guess what. As of 12:51 CST AM Friday july 22nd of 2005 i cannot get to the alibre forums AT ALL.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Fri, 22 Jul 2005 01:33:37 EDT

Logan 5 : Am I reading the abstract from this link correctly??

»patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Pars···N/Alibre

If I didn't know better, I'd swear that Alibre has patented Distributed Computing..............??

EDIT: From the abstract "Modeling three-dimensional objects on a computer system via a high bandwidth distributed network"

Sounds like the S@H Screensaver to me.....

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Fri, 22 Jul 2005 01:26:00 EDT

heels_fan : here is a interesting article about his software...Pay close attention about half way down...when he talks about collaboration, onver the internet and intranet.

»www.upfrontezine.com/2004/upf-410.htm
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An Open Letter to Greg Millikin

Fri, 22 Jul 2005 01:02:17 EDT

Logan 5 : Posted here until it's deleted and the account banned (again): »www.alibre.com/xpress/forum/view···php?t=39

Before you decide to ban me *again* let me encourage you to make your presence known here: »[Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000 and make an honest accounting of YOUR perspective on this situation to many of the people that you and your company have personally wronged.

I promise you that the moderators on our site will not delete any of your posts the way that you have encouraged your moderators to do in your forums with people who do not agree with your views.

Hopefully you will see this as an opportunity to try to mend some fences and fix some bridges that you've burned over this...that is if you really care about what 100,000 (multiplied by the power of the internet) people really think.

'Cmon Greg, there's nothing to be afraid of in debating this....is there? It's not like you have anything to hide....do you?

Here's your opportunity to say whatever you want to without fear of censorship.

The olive branch is extended....do you accept it or knock it out of my hand?

The next move's up to you.

ed. spelling

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Fri, 22 Jul 2005 00:29:34 EDT

heels_fan : Having been a reseller/tech support for 2 of the best CAD programs out there, this is despicable.

I guess I will be having a conversation with the Executive Director SME (Society of Manufactoring Engineers).

Maybe she can get the ball rolling with all her contacts and networking channels to try and put the heat on somebody.

Also, I will be contacting some of the trade publications tomorrow morning. They would love to get this in their hands, if they havnt already.
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Fri, 22 Jul 2005 00:26:07 EDT

Logan 5 : They can BAN me all they want, but I have an endless supply of "catch all" email addresses from my domain I can use.....:D

Be interesting to see how long they will want to spend time banning dozens of users/posts of the same information that I originally posted..

People WILL See my posts there, one way or the other.

Count on it.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Fri, 22 Jul 2005 00:22:48 EDT

Sat_Man :

said by lilhurricane :

This has grown quite interesting, we are right on top of it as we've been from the beginning

I've received no spam, no emails what-so-ever.
Curiouser & curiouser.

They just wish it would die down but we won't let it.;) I laughed at some of the post that thought all the post were from one person. I wonder how other forums are taking the news about the scam? I haven't received any spam on the account I used either. It may be a little early since they are still harvesting email addresses.

Hey Logan 5 your post didn't last five minutes! They must have a mod watch on all the threads.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Fri, 22 Jul 2005 00:19:45 EDT

heels_fan :

said by catseyenu :

He just blasted all my posts.
Can we get this on the front page here?

I just PMed Karl Bode (the news guy) about this post...and asked if he would take a look and put it on the front page.
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Fri, 22 Jul 2005 00:01:23 EDT

catseyenu : He just blasted all my posts.
Can we get this on the front page here?

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Fri, 22 Jul 2005 00:00:12 EDT

salzan : And I'm going to say it here 'cause I'm afraid to say it there: Don't feed the troll"
(anticadman)
:hmm:

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Thu, 21 Jul 2005 23:57:24 EDT

catseyenu : gregmilliken is online and probably unhappy at the turn of events...
Nuke in 3, 2, 1.....

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Thu, 21 Jul 2005 23:55:55 EDT

lilhurricane : We are civil here, and soooo, soooo aware ;)
Pity this, this was a sad marketing attempt, gone wrong.

This has grown quite interesting, we are right on top of it as we've been from the beginning

I've received no spam, no emails what-so-ever.
Curiouser & curiouser.
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Thu, 21 Jul 2005 23:49:29 EDT

Logan 5 : LOL...they just nuked my post over there....whatta bunch of morons....

Next stop....PERMABAN!!! :) :D

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Thu, 21 Jul 2005 23:48:50 EDT

catseyenu : We'll see how long this stands...
»www.alibre.com/xpress/forum/view···start=15

quote:
I'm curious how the Texas State Attorney General will view this.
»www.capitol.state.tx.us/statutes···7.00.htm
§ 17.12. DECEPTIVE ADVERTISING. (a) No person may
disseminate a statement he knows materially misrepresents the cost
or character of tangible personal property, a security, service, or
anything he may offer for the purpose of
(1) selling, contracting to sell, otherwise disposing
of, or contracting to dispose of the tangible personal property,
security, service, or anything he may offer; or
(2) inducing a person to contract with regard to the
tangible personal property, security, service, or anything he may
offer.

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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Thu, 21 Jul 2005 23:44:51 EDT

Logan 5 : My reply in their forums while it lasts:
»www.alibre.com/xpress/forum/view···=195#195

Mr. CEO:

While it's interesting damage control to come here and post a canned answer that has as much feeling and warmth as a wet lint blanket, It's also rather "ironic" that the ORIGINAL thread started here when the disappointing truth FINALLY came out was quickly censored then removed by Alibre presumably at your authorization..

Instead we have several rather zealous users defending this whole sorry situation in post after post and a post from a CEO that sounds like it was pieced together from a Corpspeak handbook and written on the back of a cerial box that says (paraphrased):

"We're offering something great that compares to the biggest CAD packages on the planet. However, don't expect to be able to use this offline like a real CAD program or be able to use this without ads (like a real CAD program) in what was promised to be "CAD that typically costs thousands of dollars"", UNLESS you pay US to remove your Ad's and use the product offline.........

Also, it's *great* :/ that you've reworded your FAQ to remove deceptive and VERY misleading statements like:

"Q - What does this software typically cost?
A - Alibre Design Xpress is a 3D parametric solid modeler. These range from $5K - $30K on the market today. The value lies not only in the extreme technical depths of engineering knowledge required to build such a powerful program, but also in the elegance of design so the user has the best possible experience designing their 3D geometry precisely." but the damage has already been done......

This will continue to spread through the internet and likely has already brought tears of joy to the eyes of your direct competition from their laughter at your Companies brazen approach to marketing your products.

Deceptive "Bait & Switch" scams do not sit well so feigning public mock surprise at the level of hostility this scam has generated rings hallow and false and only serves to further erode the respect that 100,000 victims had in this product and will hopefully warn the next 100,000 to steer clear away from Alibre.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Thu, 21 Jul 2005 23:34:17 EDT

Hickerx2 : There was no bad language. I read them all. They banned me from posting there as well:huh:

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Thu, 21 Jul 2005 23:33:54 EDT

Sat_Man : I read that about the so called "offensive language" and I didn't see anything too offensive. I know my post was clear and to the point about the bait and switch they pulled and I was polite. They just didn't want any negative post on the forum. Since they deleted the thread negative post have popped up all over the forum. They still don't see the can of worms they opened up!

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Thu, 21 Jul 2005 22:52:14 EDT

salzan :

said by Sat_Man :

I may have to register on the forum and post my thoughts again. »www.alibre.com/xpress/forum/view···php?t=28

I registered just to express my feelings again. Somehow I don't think it will stay though.

Damn, I hate censorship!

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Thu, 21 Jul 2005 22:42:05 EDT

Logan 5 :

said by Sat_Man :

What I want to know is...what happened to X-CAD? That's what I signed up for.

It never was. It's the pet name that Alibre came up with to disguise the truth of what they were/are REALLY offering.

Looks also like they deleted the whole original thread that came out on their forums when this whole sordid pile of crp first broke.

They're blaming "offensive language" as one of the reasons it was removed, like they expect people who were ripped off to be completely nonchalant about the experience. More like burying evidence and hiding the truth....

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Thu, 21 Jul 2005 22:37:23 EDT

Sat_Man : Looks like the CEO tried to appease everyone and it's not working. I may have to register on the forum and post my thoughts again. »www.alibre.com/xpress/forum/view···php?t=28

What I want to know is...what happened to X-CAD? That's what I signed up for.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Thu, 21 Jul 2005 22:25:32 EDT

mers2 :

said by cocothebean :

Now, they have over 100,000 names to spam to death.
;)

Since a lot of used throw away addresses - No they don't.
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Thu, 21 Jul 2005 22:17:01 EDT

chadrob30 :

quote:
What City, State are they in?

Texas: Dallas Metro: Dallas and parts of Denton and Collin counties

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Thu, 21 Jul 2005 22:09:24 EDT

cocothebean : Now, they have over 100,000 names to spam to death.
;)

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Thu, 21 Jul 2005 21:27:20 EDT

bmelee : What City, State are they in?
I was thinking of sending a email to their local Better business bureau and to their state Attorney Generals office complaining.
At the very least, they would get a BIG FAT folder of complaints.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Thu, 21 Jul 2005 21:05:32 EDT

mers2 : I got the same response, word for word to my email. They send canned letters to polite letters expressing disappointment in their marketing. Not exactly interested in what the customer has to say. This just reinforces the bad taste this company has left.
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Thu, 21 Jul 2005 20:32:39 EDT

majorash : You wont receive any emails from them. But who else has your email now? :huh:

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Thu, 21 Jul 2005 20:23:05 EDT

rrockingb : I sent an email to Jessica Formosa at Alibre just voicing my disapproval of their business practices here it is with her reply.

Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 12:28 AM
To: PR
Subject: Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Jessica Formosa,

What a disappointment on your 3D Cad program, Alibre business practices leave much to be desired I will look else where for what I need.

I have also notified all of those I contacted related to this program and apologized to them for steering them to your site this could have been a Win Win situation for you.

An almost customer

Reply:

Hi Reny,
I'm sorry that you feel this way.

I have removed you from the list of people who will be notified when the download is available. You will not receive further email messages from Alibre unless you contact us directly or register with us in the future.

Best regards,
Jessica Formosa
Alibre Inc.
972-671-8492

They are not put out much but then the are in damage control as far as I am concerned.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Thu, 21 Jul 2005 20:23:02 EDT

FenglerF1 : the product will be given out aug 1, 2005 just read the site

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Thu, 21 Jul 2005 19:26:42 EDT

whoamIoramI : I setup a new email for this. No spam at all. Actually no emails at all except for the one they sent me to register.

Well its over 100,000...where is the free product?

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Thu, 21 Jul 2005 19:02:34 EDT

heels_fan : most high end CAD program can and sometimes do range close to the $30K mark...

Solidworks. Pro Engineed, ect ect
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Thu, 21 Jul 2005 18:51:35 EDT

majorash : Hmmm... Less than a week since I registered with them I am getting spam with the email that I gave them.

I should have gone with my gut feeling that it was a bunch of bull.
Has anyone here every seen their product before? And what kind of product costs in upwards of $30k? It had better be able draw something before I am even able to think about what I want to design.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Thu, 21 Jul 2005 18:27:44 EDT

horngate : They did it

100108
X-CAD: FREE Mechanical Design Software
X-CAD Unmasked!
It's official, today Alibre announced that X-CAD is, in fact,
Alibre Design Xpress, a new addition to our Alibre Design product family. View the press release.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Thu, 21 Jul 2005 18:00:10 EDT

salzan :

said by smokythebear :

This really is a shame....What do you reccomend we do to get back at them, and is there a specifc email that should be bombed?

Tell your friends and co-workers, post on forums and avoid their products.

Email addresses:

info@x-cad.net
xpress@alibre.com
pr@alibre.com
sales@alibre.com

In all reality, they probably don't really care though. It seems that misrepresenting their product is standard fare for them.

These are excerpts from »www.alibre.com/xpress/faq.asp

Bold Mine

What happens at 100,000 registrations?
On August 1, we will send everyone who registered for X-CAD or Alibre Design Xpress and confirmed their registration, an email with instructions to download the Alibre Design Xpress software. What you have long been waiting for will be realized.

Really makes you think you're getting something.

How is Alibre Design Xpress able to be given away free?
Yes, we are spending inordinate amounts of money, but we think it is worth it. You get CAD that typically costs thousands of dollars and we get a relationship with you and learn how to make this the best 3D solid modeler on the market today.

How is providing adware supported software = spending inordinate amounts of money? How is crippleware worth thousands of dollars?

What does this software typically cost?
Alibre Design Xpress is a 3D parametric solid modeler. These range from $5K - $30K on the market today. The value lies not only in the extreme technical depths of engineering knowledge required to build such a powerful program, but also in the elegance of design so the user has the best possible experience designing their 3D geometry precisely.

Just comparing Xpress to 5K and up software is completely misleading.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Thu, 21 Jul 2005 17:15:54 EDT

smokythebear : This really is a shame....What do you reccomend we do to get back at them, and is there a specifc email that should be bombed?

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Thu, 21 Jul 2005 16:27:14 EDT

salzan :

said by dadkins :

So, where is my email with the link to the free software?
Anybody get it yet?

In light of recent events, I assume they're all too busy kicking each other's asses around the office to deal with it.

Priceless...

Thu, 21 Jul 2005 16:15:07 EDT

catseyenu : 1. Getting the attention and interest of over 100,000 potential technical customers with the promise of fully functional software...
2. Pull the old bait and switch...
Wonder why your company takes a dive...
Priceless!
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Thu, 21 Jul 2005 16:07:05 EDT

salzan : Under normal circumstances, I'd just post a link to a thread. In this case I'm copying the post here for obvious reasons:

Said by ticked:

It's not just the need to have an internet connection. It's the crippled functionality you should apologize for.

From the first review of X-CAD (now known as Alibre Xpress):
»www.alibre.com/xpress/software/r···peth.asp

"Alibre Design Xpress is a subset or scaled-down version of Alibre's standard software Alibre Design. As such, it has certain things turned off. This means there will be many things you cannot do. For instance, hollows or shells are disabled and you'll be limited in how many components you can have in an assembly."

From X-CAD's initial press release:
»x-cad.net/press-release-0601.asp

"In addition to enabling users to create precise 3D mechanical designs equal to well-known mid-range solid modeling brands. . . Not a demo or trial software, X-CAD provides fully-functional, intelligent, parametric sketching. . . Rather than creating "dumb" geometry like traditional CAD systems, X-CAD enables users to capture design intent with feature-based modeling including engineering features such as bosses, cuts, holes, fillets, chamfers, lofts, sweeps, shells and helical features."

Let me highlight a couple of falsities in that press release:
"equal to well-known mid-range solid modeling brands"
"fully-functional"
"including engineering features such as. . . shells"

This is clearly not a fully-functional piece of software. If you consider Alibre Design (or Solidworks) a well-known mid-range solid modeling brand, it is not equal. And according to Hudspeth's review, even some features that X-CAD advertised that it would have are disabled.

It is not right to say, "what are you angry about -- the software is FREE!"

You took our names and email addresses. You took our time. You advertised one thing and are now delivering another. If that's not bait-and-switch, I don't know what is. You are doing a great deal of damage to any hope that Alibre will ever become a respected software vendor. But it's not too late. Fulfull your original promises with honor.

CAD users care about customer service and support. "Over-promise and under-deliver" is not a good motto to live by in the customer service world.

I'm not going to bother to post in their forum again (they deleted my last one) but I thought others might find this post interesting.

So this "FREE" version is crippleware anyway...

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Thu, 21 Jul 2005 15:54:47 EDT

dadkins : So, where is my email with the link to the free software?
Anybody get it yet?

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Thu, 21 Jul 2005 15:32:48 EDT

dp : You only get one chance to make a good first impression and I think they blew it.
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Thu, 21 Jul 2005 14:44:15 EDT

salzan : Alibre obviously realizes they made a mistake. I don't think they realize that deleting posts on their forum will not just make it go away. There are plenty of forums that don't practice censorship. Deleting posts from their forum may seem like the answer but it only serves to show their true colors. Not being able to face honest questions from people who feel scammed or to offer a remedy other than "We're really sorry" just doesn't cut it. Especially since they waited until the 100,000 registrations were staring them in the face.

It wasn't their FAQ that was misleading, it was the page we all signed up on.

If they had said: Free, ad supported software, how many of us would have bothered?

Now they're in damage control mode and only due to their own misleading advertising. Are they really so stupid that they don't see (or think we see) a difference between free and ad supported?
EDIT: SP

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Thu, 21 Jul 2005 14:15:41 EDT

DavisPhotog : I registered and just posted this text in a new thread there:

With all due respect, this reeks of a scam. I don't mean to be hostile about it, but these seem like very suspicious circumstances under which email addresses were collected for a 'free' copy of the software, and then the terms changed soon before reaching the 100,000 mark. Do you really think we even registered with our 'good' e-mail addresses to begin with? One can only take caution from receiving spam and otherwise scam emails.
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:53:33 EDT

ropeguru : EDIT: BTW - Here is a message posted in the forum from the CEO

All,

First, we have deleted posts with offensive language or that do not contribute to a constructive dialog, and posted a set of rules for participating in the forum. This won't be tolerated and anyone who continues it will be banned. This is not a high school chat room, it is for serious people. If you can't adhere to some basic standards you need to go, period.

Now having said that, I acknowledge that we made a mistake in our FAQ by indicating that an Internet connection would not be required. This was an honest mistake, pure and simple, and I apologize to those who are upset by it. The FAQ has been updated. If having an Internet connection, or having to pay a small fee to run without one, is unacceptable to you then I ask you to accept our apology as a sincere one. All you need to do is simply not download the product and opt-out of our email communications. If this has caused you to distrust Alibre, I regret that, and it is a loss for us both. We have built our company by earning the trust of our customers, one at a time.

Regarding the product and the imbedded ads, I want to make clear that there is no aggressive or third-party adware in the product, there is simply a pane populated with Google ads. This is extremely passive, and for those who are honestly interested in the product they will find them very unobtrusive. This makes it possible to provide a tool like this for free. For those who will not try Alibre Design Xpress as a result I would ask you to reconsider, as not doing so is passing up a truly amazing opportunity.

I will also stress that we respect everyone’s email opt-out. We have no interest in communicating with those who do not want to be communicated with. I assume all those who do not want to receive email communications from us either already opted out or will do so upon receiving the email to download the application. If you opt-out, we will not email you again. It's very easy. We also will never sell, trade or give away anyone’s email address.

It obviously comes as a surprise to some that our entire product is not included in the free Alibre Design Xpress. For those that had this expectation I apologize, but if you give it a try you will find that Alibre Design Xpress is an amazing product, even when the price is not considered. If after trying the product you decide it doesn’t have everything you need you can uninstall it, or you can continue to use it for the tasks that don't require those extra features, or you can choose to upgrade to a version that has the additional features you need. If the sheer possibility that the free product may not have something you want is too much for you, I suggest you simply delete the email that comes with a link to download the application and opt-out of any future communications.

In closing, I would direct you to the reviews from those who had the opportunity to preview the product. These are based on the facts. If you truly have an interest in this type of product and you are willing to try it, you will be rewarded.

Thanks for your interest and understanding.

Sincerely,
Greg Milliken
President and CEO
Alibre, Inc.

Still stinks of a scam to me..
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:48:15 EDT

ropeguru : Looks like the scum bags have also decided that unless you register, you cannot post or reply now.

I say we start flooding all their email addresses...
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:24:46 EDT

salzan :

said by catseyenu :

And again...
"The topic or post you requested does not exist"

It looks like Alibre has hired the same forum admins that used to work at Lavasoft. Possibly the same PR people as well....

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:06:03 EDT

catseyenu :

said by Sat_Man :

Well, I knew it would be something like this and I think 90% of the posters in this thread did also. We need to make a 100,000 Guest post on their forum and express our thoughts on their bait and switch scam. I already made my post. »www.alibre.com/xpress/forum/view···f69473b0

And again...
"The topic or post you requested does not exist"

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:04:02 EDT

catseyenu :

said by salzan :

It looks like the Xpress version is free anyway.»www.alibre.com/xpress/software/ It will be using google ad banners. »www.alibre.com/xpress/forum/view···.php?t=6

"The topic or post you requested does not exist"
:huh:
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Thu, 21 Jul 2005 12:39:43 EDT

Nighttime : Tanstaafl: There ant no such thing as a free lunch!

Check Compusa this week. They are blowing out IMAS Turbocad Designer 2d/3d for $10 after rebates. List is $29.99. Its version 9.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Thu, 21 Jul 2005 11:33:25 EDT

BarneyBadAss : nope, they won't sell it... they'll create thier own spam system and spam the stew out of you:D

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Thu, 21 Jul 2005 08:58:45 EDT

rocke86 : If you are looking for great 3d software goto anim8or.com

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Thu, 21 Jul 2005 08:29:37 EDT

ropeguru : I posted as the first guest expressing my opinion. I just went and read the press release.

And you know they were prepared for us complaining about this being a "Bait and Switch" because their CEO elludes to it in the press release:

"I also want to emphasize that Alibre Design Xpress is not a 'bait and switch' offer. We believe that by providing very high value software to a lot of people, and then engaging with them to learn from them -- while building trust by respecting their privacy and requests to opt-out of our communications -- we will increase sales of our flagship Alibre Design product family."

So they knew what they were doing when they setup this whole scam. Someone needs to take this company down!!!
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Thu, 21 Jul 2005 02:02:58 EDT

salzan : Well, I certainly don't think these people give their potential customers much credit for intelligence. Do they really think no one will notice an ad served CAD program? Really, what a creative working environment that must be.

On the up side, we found out about it before installing what most likely will be spyware laden crapware.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Thu, 21 Jul 2005 00:39:55 EDT

Logan 5 : Make your displeasure known in a more tangible way......

Editorial contact:
Jessica Formosa, Alibre Inc.
Tel: 972-671-8492 x257
e-mail: pr@alibre.com

PR Contact Info taken from »www.alibre.com/xpress/news/press-release.asp

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Thu, 21 Jul 2005 00:07:54 EDT

spamd : Damm suckered again.

Get your Freshly Minted Sucker

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Wed, 20 Jul 2005 23:12:07 EDT

Logan 5 : I added some comments here: »www.alibre.com/xpress/forum/view···?p=22#22

"If you really think about it, the timing of this "announcement" makes perfect sense.

Announce that your blatantly scamming people early at around 95k. Then once the word gets out that this company is crap, no one else will sign up and they will NOT reach 100,000 confirmed email addresses so in the end everyone get's bent over and taken for a ride by alibre with nothing to show for it but additional SPAM in their inboxes if appropiate precautions were not made ahead of time.

I feel real sorry for those who used anything other then a throwaway or disposable (yahoo, hot or gmail type) email address."

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Wed, 20 Jul 2005 23:05:30 EDT

rocke86 : Looks like they messed with the wrong people:D

Hopefully they let the $50 upgrade slide.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Wed, 20 Jul 2005 23:01:57 EDT

Logan 5 : Here's my .02¢ in their Forums:

"They only "revealed" the big secret after they met their quota of harvested addresses....They don't care or give a shit if ANYONE get's this or not by getting to 100,000 because in their minds, their goal was accomplished and the mission was successful. If it wasn't does anyone REALLY think they would have publicly announced this....??

If they DO somehow get to 100,000, that just 5 or 6k worth of gravy on top of what they've already scammed.

Scumsucking bastards."

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Wed, 20 Jul 2005 22:51:08 EDT

Sat_Man : Well, I knew it would be something like this and I think 90% of the posters in this thread did also. We need to make a 100,000 Guest post on their forum and express our thoughts on their bait and switch scam. I already made my post. »www.alibre.com/xpress/forum/view···f69473b0

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Wed, 20 Jul 2005 22:33:14 EDT

mers2 :

said by Logan 5 :

I'm SO GLAD that disposable email addresses exist.... :D

The one ray of sunshine is that their servers are filled with useless email addresses. :)
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Wed, 20 Jul 2005 22:25:40 EDT

Logan 5 :

said by anonymous pised off poster in alibre forums:
PT Barnum said it a long time ago and the same still holds true today which is why companies like Alibre can get away with crap like this:

"There's one born every minute" .

I'm SO GLAD that disposable email addresses exist.... :D

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Wed, 20 Jul 2005 22:15:46 EDT

mers2 : This unethical tactic has forever soured me on any of their products and I will be vocal about it.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Wed, 20 Jul 2005 22:04:21 EDT

spamd : Here is a post from the Alibre forums.

quote:
Great scam going on. Giving away this wonderful product to the first 100,000 that give their email addresses. When the product can be had for free anyway.

Now if you were to waive the price for removing the banners that would be different. Kind of curious as to who my throw away email addy will start getting spam from.

»www.alibre.com/xpress/forum/view···f69473b0
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Wed, 20 Jul 2005 22:01:26 EDT

rocke86 : I am disappointed:(
I thought this would be offline! They could at least put a ad syncing function that updates the ads when internet is available!:mad:

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Wed, 20 Jul 2005 21:49:35 EDT

spamd : Just imagine the IT guys at these places that have 10 or more cad engineers. This will flood there network, not every one has a full T1 to the net.

Congrats Alibre you have just alienated 100,000 customers...

Freaking Idiots!!
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Wed, 20 Jul 2005 21:44:17 EDT

spamd :

said by cookeys :

said by salzan :

It looks like the Xpress version is free anyway.»www.alibre.com/xpress/software/ It will be using google ad banners. »www.alibre.com/xpress/forum/view···.php?t=6
According to posts on the forum, it will cost $49 to remove the banners and use the product offline.:(

Scam.

con
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Wed, 20 Jul 2005 21:28:56 EDT

cookeys :

Scam.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Wed, 20 Jul 2005 21:04:05 EDT

richardfrey11001 : 96095

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Wed, 20 Jul 2005 20:18:17 EDT

salzan : It looks like the Xpress version is free anyway.»www.alibre.com/xpress/software/ It will be using google ad banners. »www.alibre.com/xpress/forum/view···.php?t=6
According to posts on the forum, it will cost $49 to remove the banners and use the product offline.:(

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:57:54 EDT

spamd : Join the discussion forum.
»www.alibre.com/xpress/forum/

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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:52:22 EDT

mattei :

said by mattei :

Is anyone wondering if it will end up being a link to an existing product on download.com?

Guess not.

»www.alibre.com/xpress/

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:43:25 EDT

Artist027 : 95036

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Tue, 19 Jul 2005 22:15:03 EDT

anon : You are 100% correct.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Tue, 19 Jul 2005 21:34:46 EDT

cookeys :

said by galacticroot :

Real data compared with a linear regression. X is UNIX time(absolute), Y is registrations. Regression slope is 0.02970.

My prediction is that 100K will be met with time to spare(unless there is a big change). Now who wants to bet that it's really a "free" trial? lol.

If that's the case, then they're going to pi$$ off 100,000 potential customers. Lots of good will there...

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Tue, 19 Jul 2005 21:16:24 EDT

Locutus65 : 93006. Using a disposable email. Anyone wonder why they don't put a privacy policy on the site other than 'your email address will not be sold'
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Tue, 19 Jul 2005 21:13:26 EDT

rocke86 : only 7000 left

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Tue, 19 Jul 2005 13:55:08 EDT

ropeguru : Most definitely. I have tons of throw away email addy's... :-)
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Tue, 19 Jul 2005 13:04:52 EDT

Loker : I used my gmail account because I hardly ever use it all I do is have my google news come in there and a few other things but it is not my primary e-mail lol...I think we need to hire that israeli hacker if they do try and spam us delete their database lol...

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Tue, 19 Jul 2005 12:46:25 EDT

DavisPhotog :

said by ropeguru :

Yup.... ANd they then have your "confirmed" email addy to sell to spammers...

That's why you register with a dummy address. If they spam, we'll fight back. If they don't, we can still get our copy via an email link when it arrives.
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Tue, 19 Jul 2005 12:41:39 EDT

Ludwik : 91 749

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Tue, 19 Jul 2005 12:00:02 EDT

jerho :

said by kruser :

Where is Salix?
I used to be Marshalltown!

I'm about 6 miles south of Sioux City

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Tue, 19 Jul 2005 11:08:22 EDT

spamd : 91435

w00t!!!

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Tue, 19 Jul 2005 08:05:34 EDT

ropeguru : Yup.... ANd they then have your "confirmed" email addy to sell to spammers...
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Tue, 19 Jul 2005 06:18:40 EDT

wodenus : 90776 !

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Tue, 19 Jul 2005 04:38:59 EDT

cob_ : 90646

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Tue, 19 Jul 2005 02:59:45 EDT

nswint : 90473

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Tue, 19 Jul 2005 02:28:12 EDT

kruser : Where is Salix?
I used to be Marshalltown!

90423 now.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Tue, 19 Jul 2005 01:47:30 EDT

gossip5 : ;)My register 90342

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Tue, 19 Jul 2005 01:41:28 EDT

hovno2002 : 90331

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Tue, 19 Jul 2005 01:09:04 EDT

jerho : at least its not a .ru or other off shore address

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Tue, 19 Jul 2005 00:58:42 EDT

kangabil : 90245 in Australia; I'm a sucker for a freebie

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Tue, 19 Jul 2005 00:43:05 EDT

galacticroot : Real data compared with a linear regression. X is UNIX time(absolute), Y is registrations. Regression slope is 0.02970.

My prediction is that 100K will be met with time to spare(unless there is a big change). Now who wants to bet that it's really a "free" trial? lol.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Tue, 19 Jul 2005 00:39:22 EDT

Logan 5 :

said by spamd :

X-cad needs at least 756 sign-ups a day to make the goal....x-fingers...

That's down from just under 894/day about 46 or so posts above....keep up the good work everybody!!!

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Tue, 19 Jul 2005 00:36:47 EDT

Fart Knocker : 90202

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Tue, 19 Jul 2005 00:33:22 EDT

spamd : X-cad needs at least 756 sign-ups a day to make the goal.

...x-fingers...
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Tue, 19 Jul 2005 00:27:20 EDT

kruser : 90185

I wonder if this is for real or not?

Remember the old saying - "You don't get something for nothing".

I see hitting 100,000 easily by the 1st but I wonder if it will produce anything?

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 18 Jul 2005 23:49:51 EDT

EchoD : 90096
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 18 Jul 2005 21:55:49 EDT

anon : 89924

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 18 Jul 2005 20:13:24 EDT

aldag65 : 89776

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 18 Jul 2005 20:06:14 EDT

BinaryXtreme : It will be a download. Just got my verification in my email.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 18 Jul 2005 20:02:56 EDT

FenglerF1 :

said by Jan Janowski :

said by FenglerF1 :

I think we can make it.... i hope. i just wonder how they can support 100,000+ people downloading it all at once.
or am i just an idiot?

I vote they send us CD's!

Good thought!

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 18 Jul 2005 19:54:28 EDT

Jan Janowski :

said by FenglerF1 :

I think we can make it.... i hope. i just wonder how they can support 100,000+ people downloading it all at once.
or am i just an idiot?

I vote they send us CD's!
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 18 Jul 2005 19:22:21 EDT

BinaryXtreme : 89706

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 18 Jul 2005 19:19:38 EDT

FenglerF1 : I think we can make it.... i hope. i just wonder how they can support 100,000+ people downloading it all at once.
or am i just an idiot?

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 18 Jul 2005 18:50:47 EDT

cookeys : Current Registrations
89655

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 18 Jul 2005 18:40:30 EDT

coffeenut : 89632

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 18 Jul 2005 18:40:13 EDT

mph300 : 89635 for myself:D

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 18 Jul 2005 15:20:51 EDT

TwistedLefty : 89222

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 18 Jul 2005 14:46:18 EDT

icex _ : I posted in on slickdeals.net in the freebies forum. Hopefully we can get 10,000!

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 18 Jul 2005 13:56:37 EDT

rocke86 : I watched it turn over to 89000.:D

I posted It on other forums, but this is the only one that got major activity. I didn't think it would generate this much interest.

I'm eager to start designing:D

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 18 Jul 2005 13:44:51 EDT

SoJo : 88989

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 18 Jul 2005 13:39:30 EDT

salzan : Anybody think about how long this thread will be by Aug. 1?

:)

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 18 Jul 2005 12:59:02 EDT

Rogue Wolf :

said by Loker :

they are tied to alibre.com in more ways than one I hope its not a scam but if it is who cares

Look at it this way. If it's a scam, they've run into the WRONG group of people. Some of the BBR regulars have proven to be quite adept at nailing online scammers. :D
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 18 Jul 2005 10:00:17 EDT

BIGMIKE : X-CAD Track-O-Meter

The new X-CAD Web site mysteriously keeps its owners' identity hidden.

The owners want you and 99,999 other CAD users to register. Once the number is reached, every one receives a free copy of the 3D CAD software. The catches are that (1) 100,000 must register and (2) all must register before August 1 -- for the give-away to take effect. A counter on the site reports the number of registrants, 4998 at time of writing this.

I predict the software will be given away 1 Aug even if the 100,000 goal is not reached. Perhaps the odometer will need adjusting. (A check of the HTML source shows the number is hard-coded.)

»worldcadaccess.typepad.com/blog/···tif.html
»worldcadaccess.typepad.com/blog/···ete.html

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 18 Jul 2005 09:45:30 EDT

Serbtastic : 88370

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 18 Jul 2005 09:41:03 EDT

shorto85 : 88361

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 18 Jul 2005 09:33:00 EDT

anon : 88327

keep it alive!

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 18 Jul 2005 08:59:02 EDT

dchrsf : WE basically did a dent to this 100k; 5k. lol.
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 18 Jul 2005 08:58:03 EDT

billys9319 : 88240

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 18 Jul 2005 08:55:57 EDT

ropeguru : 88236

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 18 Jul 2005 08:55:14 EDT

jmkraft : 88229

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 18 Jul 2005 08:11:14 EDT

jonez : 88145

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 18 Jul 2005 07:28:26 EDT

chachster : 88072

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 18 Jul 2005 07:09:38 EDT

Rickez : 88049

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 18 Jul 2005 06:36:26 EDT

barqsdrinker : 88022

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 18 Jul 2005 06:25:20 EDT

rocke86 : If it doesn't work we can always flood alibre with complaint mail.:D
sales@alibre.com

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 18 Jul 2005 06:24:15 EDT

FoMoCo : If its a scam it will backfire on them.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 18 Jul 2005 06:19:49 EDT

frankenfeet : 88000. Hope it turns out to be real.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 18 Jul 2005 06:18:12 EDT

anon : 87998... we'll see if this is junk or real.. but I still used a junk email addy...

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 18 Jul 2005 04:33:46 EDT

roamer1 : 87833 :)

I concur with the other posters who say it's legit.

-SC

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 18 Jul 2005 04:10:59 EDT

anon : For those who think that this is a scam are useless and have no prof to backup there claims. This offer is from a legit company called Alibre. They have more important things like developing and marketing a new product called x-cad. They wouldn't waste there time by scamming or spamming there customer base. If they did it would most surely back fire on them. I think the only spam we have seen out of them is the sign up for the free software.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 18 Jul 2005 03:25:52 EDT

McLovin : I've got #87726

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 18 Jul 2005 03:03:57 EDT

Loker : they are tied to alibre.com in more ways than one I hope its not a scam but if it is who cares

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 18 Jul 2005 02:16:09 EDT

Twilight6502 : They wouldn't open themselves up the possibility.

This is not a professional venture.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 18 Jul 2005 01:43:52 EDT

RayMorris : Thanks for the link!
Registered with the following email addys. ROTFL!

Juz4Spam@Gmail.com
Juz4Spam1@Gmail.com
Juz4Spam2@Gmail.com

Should I need to say more? :D:D:D

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 18 Jul 2005 01:32:06 EDT

BetaTron : No big deal... use a garbage e-mail addy.

87556

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 18 Jul 2005 01:11:29 EDT

bigunk : 87534. I hope this is legit, or these guys are gonna get body slammed.
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 18 Jul 2005 01:03:56 EDT

AnnaS8 : I am going to fall over laughing when they send everyone the free trial from Alibre.com lol Though for your sake I hope this isn't an email scam. For things like this though. I recommend the receive only email site at dodgeit.com. Just put in whatever name you want and end it with @dodgeit.com and BAM you have a email address. Just remember anyone can see what is sent. Unless you pay to password lock the addy.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 18 Jul 2005 00:57:21 EDT

Phil : 87515

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 18 Jul 2005 00:55:11 EDT

funchords : I don't have a use for this but please, don't be the first to install it when you receive it. Let someone else find out it's malware -- it will only take 24 hours for someone to find out whether its legit.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 18 Jul 2005 00:47:39 EDT

Logan 5 :

said by iam me :

just 12,510 more people to go.....

That means that 893.57 people need to sign up each day from 7-18 to 7-31 to meet the goal.

893.57/day....no sweat right...??? :p LOL

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 18 Jul 2005 00:41:16 EDT

iam me : I got 87490.... just 12,510 more people to go..... :D
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 18 Jul 2005 00:31:02 EDT

Sat_Man : Oh well, I went ahead and did it. 87467 I used my gmail crap account.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 18 Jul 2005 00:19:49 EDT

Loker :

said by Twilight6502 :

Not only would a company not give away 100,000 copies of its software for free, but they would not use Google ads to pimp competitor's software.

They are putting too much value into the capturing of E-mail addresses.

This IS a scam.

Next stop, snopes.com ...

they do not have any choice on what goes in those google ad's google uses content on the page to decide what ad's to put in it

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 18 Jul 2005 00:05:16 EDT

Twilight6502 : Not only would a company not give away 100,000 copies of its software for free, but they would not use Google ads to pimp competitor's software.

They are putting too much value into the capturing of E-mail addresses.

This IS a scam.

Next stop, snopes.com ...

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 18 Jul 2005 00:04:36 EDT

Loker :

said by yoonix :

said by Loker :

86,378....if we do not have 100,000 registrations by 1 day before hand I will put it on digg those guys will take anything free lol

Why not just put it on digg now?

to make sure everyone on BBR who wants it has more of a chance to get it

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Mon, 18 Jul 2005 00:01:24 EDT

mers2 :

said by Spyder :

Why would they do this? No company would let 100k people download their software for free. It has to be a hoax.

Novell sent out some nice software for free last year. I got the set and when they recently offered an upgrade for those who ordered the first time I signed up again. We'll see if this company is as nice and has the integrity of Novell.
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 17 Jul 2005 23:43:30 EDT

Spyder : Why would they do this? No company would let 100k people download their software for free. It has to be a hoax.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 17 Jul 2005 23:34:29 EDT

bigyeah :

said by rocke86 :

»www.x-cad.net
This site is giving away 3D cad software for free. Register to reserve you copy before August.

Whats digg?

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 17 Jul 2005 23:04:44 EDT

TxKent : That's a pretty crappy neighborhood - not far from where I work. Must be a scam.
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 17 Jul 2005 22:18:13 EDT

ssj4android : Just registered using an addressguard account. So I'll know if they sell my email, and I can just stop getting mail with that address.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 17 Jul 2005 22:13:54 EDT

IT_Tech : 87285

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 17 Jul 2005 21:58:30 EDT

DavisPhotog : 87251 - Keep it going guys! (BTW, thanks for the link!)

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 17 Jul 2005 21:58:11 EDT

HeyDriver : 87245

It'll be interesting to see if this really happens.....
:D

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 17 Jul 2005 21:56:13 EDT

RX8 : -12752 & counting :-)

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 17 Jul 2005 21:13:18 EDT

Bada Bing : 87197

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 17 Jul 2005 21:08:31 EDT

mers2 :

said by 2kmaro :

I also got my response almost immediately. That was last night. Today's load of spam didn't (I don't think, actually didn't look too closely) come in addressed to the fresh email account I created just for them: xcad@... should be easy to spot if they do sell it off.

Interesting. I also ordered mine yesterday with a hotmail account. Not a single spam today. Of course, I set the spam filter to high...
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 17 Jul 2005 21:00:35 EDT

skrupowies : Thanks for the info

87183 for me!!

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 17 Jul 2005 20:52:47 EDT

penguins4evr : Just registered and got my hotmail registration immediately.

Hope it is legitimate; if not, oh well . . .
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 17 Jul 2005 20:45:17 EDT

2kmaro : I also got my response almost immediately. That was last night. Today's load of spam didn't (I don't think, actually didn't look too closely) come in addressed to the fresh email account I created just for them: xcad@... should be easy to spot if they do sell it off.
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 17 Jul 2005 19:52:20 EDT

pcdebb :

said by jsimmons :

Anybody received the confirmation email message from them? Just curious. I haven't :(

got mine immediately on my gmail
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 17 Jul 2005 19:47:11 EDT

galacticroot : Latest estimate, with about a day of sampling:

reg'=0.0281486 (reg/sec)
reg(now+14 days)=121089.5466
reg(now+~5.3 days)=100000

Looking even better!

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 17 Jul 2005 19:44:18 EDT

jkj860 : 87105

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 17 Jul 2005 19:23:15 EDT

Rogue Wolf : 87707 here. I sure hope it's not some sort of Email harvester... but I gave my Gmail address, so we'll see how well that filter works if that's the case, hm?

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 17 Jul 2005 18:33:04 EDT

laffalot : Thanks for the link :D

Now at 87009

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 17 Jul 2005 18:32:30 EDT

rocke86 : 87002

I can't wait for this! As a hobbyist, I enjoy making 3d stuff on the pc.:D

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 17 Jul 2005 18:29:04 EDT

jsimmons :

said by jsimmons :

said by richk_1957 :

said by Maxo :

said by jsimmons :

Anybody received the confirmine email message from them? Just curious. I haven't :(

I got mine almost immediately.

Same here

Still no go. Even registered a 2nd time. Checked Spam box. Nada.

OK... third time was the charm. :D
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 17 Jul 2005 18:22:32 EDT

jsimmons :

said by richk_1957 :

said by Maxo :

said by jsimmons :

Anybody received the confirmine email message from them? Just curious. I haven't :(

I got mine almost immediately.

Same here

Still no go. Even registered a 2nd time. Checked Spam box. Nada.
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 17 Jul 2005 17:54:57 EDT

Tsume : 86953

I used my gmail, because I'm lazy and because out of the 2,000 spam messages I've gotten only one has gotten through :)
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 17 Jul 2005 16:12:53 EDT

horngate : 86735 for me

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 17 Jul 2005 16:07:39 EDT

dibbb : #86721

100,000 geeks can't be wrong

;)

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 17 Jul 2005 16:04:30 EDT

lilhurricane : Ok, Ok...I did it too :)

Disposable email addy, o'course

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 17 Jul 2005 16:02:23 EDT

iSpark : 86707
:)

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 17 Jul 2005 14:28:44 EDT

yoonix :

said by Loker :

86,378....if we do not have 100,000 registrations by 1 day before hand I will put it on digg those guys will take anything free lol

Why not just put it on digg now?

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 17 Jul 2005 13:53:22 EDT

do_it1 : 86485. Gettin closer

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 17 Jul 2005 13:08:01 EDT

skolson : # 86382

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 17 Jul 2005 13:07:26 EDT

Loker : 86,378....if we do not have 100,000 registrations by 1 day before hand I will put it on digg those guys will take anything free lol

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 17 Jul 2005 12:55:41 EDT

superdog : 86348 here. I hope we reach 100,000??:)

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 17 Jul 2005 12:46:01 EDT

Maxo :

said by bigyeah :

If this was legit, why would they have google ads? I have never seen a real company have Google Ads before.

If not then they will have a SPAM box to add SPAM to.
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 17 Jul 2005 12:35:19 EDT

bigyeah : If this was legit, why would they have google ads? I have never seen a real company have Google Ads before.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 17 Jul 2005 12:33:38 EDT

91439306 : They say they'll give the software away for free only if 100,000 people register. Now what if 100,002 people register? Does that give them the legal excuse to call off the giveaway? :)

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 17 Jul 2005 12:22:54 EDT

Carol : 86264

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 17 Jul 2005 12:22:24 EDT

GunnarDanne : 86264

we need more people! if you have more than one email address... you know what to do...

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 17 Jul 2005 12:22:09 EDT

Deckoh : 86266

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 17 Jul 2005 12:17:48 EDT

richk_1957 :

said by Maxo :

said by jsimmons :

Anybody received the confirmine email message from them? Just curious. I haven't :(

I got mine almost immediately.

Same here

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 17 Jul 2005 12:09:26 EDT

dchrsf : Yeah, try looking in your SPAM box, got mine.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 17 Jul 2005 11:46:19 EDT

Maxo :

said by jsimmons :

Anybody received the confirmine email message from them? Just curious. I haven't :(

I got mine almost immediately.
--
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»www.cafepress.com/maxolasersquad

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 17 Jul 2005 11:45:50 EDT

jsimmons : Anybody received the confirmation email message from them? Just curious. I haven't :(

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 17 Jul 2005 11:42:10 EDT

Maxo :

said by galacticroot :

Current estimate is: 117239 in 14 days(from now), with a mean rate of 0.0257396 reg/sec. At this rate, there would be 100K total registrations about 6 days from now.

Thanks for the numbers.
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"I fell in love with Tipper Gore's two twelve-year-old nieces" - Ice Tea
»www.cafepress.com/maxolasersquad

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 17 Jul 2005 11:34:57 EDT

bennyandthejets : 86159 Keep going

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 17 Jul 2005 11:24:22 EDT

galacticroot : Current estimate is: 117239 in 14 days(from now), with a mean rate of 0.0257396 reg/sec. At this rate, there would be 100K total registrations about 6 days from now.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 17 Jul 2005 11:14:48 EDT

vrem : 86120
keep on going :)

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 17 Jul 2005 11:02:43 EDT

buddyfrench : 86095

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 17 Jul 2005 10:51:42 EDT

jkelley199 : 86074

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 17 Jul 2005 10:51:10 EDT

jsimmons : 86069 Here. Thanks for the heads up

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 17 Jul 2005 10:15:55 EDT

IrishCrazy : 85987

We'll see.

Irish

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 17 Jul 2005 10:12:33 EDT

waiting4fios : 85,984

I doubt this is a full blown cad program though

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 17 Jul 2005 09:59:47 EDT

FoMoCo : Dumb question but has anyone tried this cad prog out yet?

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 17 Jul 2005 09:45:45 EDT

kvn864 : 85914 :)

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 17 Jul 2005 08:28:20 EDT

JPuppy : Why do they make you wait until 100,000? It seems a little shady to me.
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 17 Jul 2005 07:06:28 EDT

weedahoe : 85536 when I did mine

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 17 Jul 2005 05:20:09 EDT

happy4ya : 85347

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 17 Jul 2005 04:54:30 EDT

iswm : 85303

Cool

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 17 Jul 2005 04:49:26 EDT

anon : 85299 - here

That will keep our Byron Bay Web designers happy.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 17 Jul 2005 04:11:29 EDT

szymczuk : Anyone notice that it is jst for windows?

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 17 Jul 2005 03:42:08 EDT

2kmaro :

said by Catman :

85206

I used my primary email address, wish me luck that its not a hoax...hehe.

Ouch! I always create a new addy just for these things. They say they're not giving/selling the list, but who can you trust?

#85213
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then think again!

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 17 Jul 2005 03:34:52 EDT

Catman : 85206

I used my primary email address, wish me luck that its not a hoax...hehe.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 17 Jul 2005 03:28:12 EDT

Zyniker : O, sure, make me look like I'm insane...or maybe it's you cannot count? ;)

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 17 Jul 2005 03:27:13 EDT

MicaTurbo : 85199

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 17 Jul 2005 03:27:05 EDT

Zyniker : It is now at 85,200...let's keep those registrations rolling...

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 17 Jul 2005 03:14:18 EDT

Zyniker : 85180

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 17 Jul 2005 03:07:29 EDT

Poopsmith : 85170

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 17 Jul 2005 02:06:07 EDT

jbgroup1 : 85091

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 17 Jul 2005 01:38:46 EDT

GamerGeek : 85066 here.

It looks like a really nice bit of software, too. Keep it going, people!!!

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 17 Jul 2005 00:36:42 EDT

The Beer :

said by Desdinova :

84957.
Of course, I'm still waiting for the Schick razor that was promised to the first 100,000 people who signed up for it last summer *grin*

I think that was my thread!

And I did get mine...lol

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 17 Jul 2005 00:23:15 EDT

orinoco : 84980

Spam Filter: On

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 17 Jul 2005 00:19:38 EDT

Desdinova : Ah! You're right, it was January. I don't know why I was thinking last summer...but I STILL never got one *grumbles and toes the dirt with his sneakers* I've been forced to use a belt sander to keep my face baby smooth.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 17 Jul 2005 00:15:01 EDT

yoonix :

said by Desdinova :

84957.
Of course, I'm still waiting for the Schick razor that was promised to the first 100,000 people who signed up for it last summer *grin*

I got my free Schick razor quite a while ago, unless it was a different promotion (think the one I signed up for was this January).

Really hoping this X-CAD thing works out, I always enjoy playing with new software (though I've never done CAD).

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sun, 17 Jul 2005 00:08:40 EDT

Desdinova : 84957.
Of course, I'm still waiting for the Schick razor that was promised to the first 100,000 people who signed up for it last summer *grin*

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sat, 16 Jul 2005 23:34:17 EDT

jcsjr : 84921

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sat, 16 Jul 2005 22:56:32 EDT

majorash : All signed up for more junk mail to hit my gmail box...

84866-----> and counting!

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sat, 16 Jul 2005 22:48:41 EDT

dchrsf : I registered..thx

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sat, 16 Jul 2005 22:47:41 EDT

techjoe : 84860 good find! :)

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sat, 16 Jul 2005 22:38:33 EDT

Maxo : 84847 for me.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sat, 16 Jul 2005 22:06:57 EDT

rocke86 : Thanks for the calculations.

84812:)

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sat, 16 Jul 2005 21:11:24 EDT

galacticroot : It looks close so far!

Current average rate is:
0.0212398 registrations per second.

15 days from now (1296000 seconds), there would be:
0.0212398*1296000=27526.8 additional registrations, to make about 112274 total.

Of course, this is based on only 2.7 hours of samples, so it is probably very inaccurate. I'll recalculate tomorrow. It is heading for the 100K mark, though!

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sat, 16 Jul 2005 20:01:48 EDT

pokesph : 84690

hmm well thank god for junk email address.. just in case.. but if it's legit, cool free software.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sat, 16 Jul 2005 19:35:48 EDT

aenties : 84658*

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sat, 16 Jul 2005 19:12:31 EDT

rocke86 : On the press release
"While admitting that they are trying to bring a "bit of fun" to the CAD market, the spokesperson says that they intend to reveal who they are in the days to come, and want to emphasize that X-CAD is not a demo or a limited-time, trial-only product. Users are assured they will enjoy a depth and breadth of rich features, including "on-the-fly" automatic constraint capture, auto-dimensioning, assembly modeling and more."

»www.x-cad.net/press-release.asp

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sat, 16 Jul 2005 19:00:39 EDT

martmann : 84611

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sat, 16 Jul 2005 18:32:23 EDT

galacticroot : I've got a cron job set up to log the counter(and a page copy) every minute for statistical analysis. If they mess with the counter significantly, it will probably be apparent.

OTOH, how do you know the "free" cad isn't really a "free" trial version?

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sat, 16 Jul 2005 16:51:29 EDT

Logan 5 : DEVILS ADVOCATE MODE ON

Just "suppose" for a minute that this is indeed a social engineering trick to get people to give up a 'valid' email address by requiring them to validate it.

They say that we will only get the free software if they can verify 100,000 legitimate addresses.....

SO, what's stopping them from saying no matter if they get 100k of them or not that we're not getting our software because they didn't get their 100,000 addresses....can WE audit their records or challenge this...? Likely not and they know it because they are giving it away for *free* as long as certain conditions are being met (or not as the case may be).

Wonder how they're going to limit the spread of the download URL because once they start to mail it out, expect some n00b to post it in the »Users find Hot Deals (non hardware) forum or see it up on fat wallet or /.

DEVILS ADVOCATE MODE OFF

Even in spite of this possibility, I am cautiously optimistic at this point about getting anything from these folks....

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sat, 16 Jul 2005 16:01:27 EDT

richk_1957 : 84264
Keep going guys, that looks like a good product

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sat, 16 Jul 2005 16:00:50 EDT

razzorr : "Everyone who registers will get the X-CAD product for FREE — but only if 100,000 people participate. So, spread the word and get your free 3D CAD software faster — tell all your colleagues and friends to register too!"

If they do not get 100,000 good ones by Aug 1st no one gets it.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sat, 16 Jul 2005 15:37:05 EDT

rrockingb : 84224

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sat, 16 Jul 2005 15:28:11 EDT

Nagrom Nniuq : 84211

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sat, 16 Jul 2005 15:00:30 EDT

bmelee : 84128... I could use another modeler program for free:D

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sat, 16 Jul 2005 14:27:19 EDT

johnnyboy24 : 84091

We can do it...

:)

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sat, 16 Jul 2005 14:24:37 EDT

Joe123456789 : 84087

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sat, 16 Jul 2005 14:07:53 EDT

Logan 5 :

said by Nighttime :

Caught this on cardmodels.net. The last posting looks like it may be a scam.

»www.cardmodels.net/phpbb2/viewto···start=15

Been looking for a simple easy to use Cad to do modeling for fun.

Unless "Gil" from the above link works for the feds himself and is leaking the fact that the investigation is real, It's likely that someone should and will call BS on this and ask him to prove his allegations.... "BS"

said by from Gil in the above link:
It's been turned over to Federal authorities who for some strange reason are very interested in these guys...:uhh:

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sat, 16 Jul 2005 13:14:52 EDT

rocke86 :
»www.alibre.com/success/list-sub.···ineBlock

Background pics on the x-cad page match up with sample images on alibre's website. I'm convinced:D

xcad background
pic on alibre

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sat, 16 Jul 2005 13:10:13 EDT

Voodoo288 :

said by dadkins :

Seeing as I have a few throw-away email accounts... I went for it. If it pans out, cool, if not... no loss. ;)

Same here...

#83902
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sat, 16 Jul 2005 12:40:52 EDT

Nighttime : Caught this on cardmodels.net. The last posting looks like it may be a scam.

»www.cardmodels.net/phpbb2/viewto···start=15

Been looking for a simple easy to use Cad to do modeling for fun.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sat, 16 Jul 2005 12:27:45 EDT

whoamIoramI : Hmmm, my link doesn't take me to that.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sat, 16 Jul 2005 12:19:50 EDT

FenglerF1 : yea it does but read it... it should be like this? »www.x-cad.net/thankyou.asp

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sat, 16 Jul 2005 12:14:10 EDT

whoamIoramI : When I click on the register link in the email, it just takes me to the homepage, is that what it did for you guys?

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sat, 16 Jul 2005 12:12:13 EDT

FenglerF1 : looks real... »worldcadaccess.typepad.com/blog/···ete.html

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sat, 16 Jul 2005 12:10:13 EDT

yengec : ditto...

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sat, 16 Jul 2005 11:57:35 EDT

dadkins : Seeing as I have a few throw-away email accounts... I went for it. If it pans out, cool, if not... no loss. ;)

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sat, 16 Jul 2005 11:56:58 EDT

aj_f : 83698...Hey, Columbus took a chance.

My blog: »tinyurl.com/36gav

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sat, 16 Jul 2005 11:22:24 EDT

rocke86 : This isn't a scheme...
This is in the email header

Subject: Please Verify your X-CAD Registration
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 16:07:15 -0500
Message-ID: ba7b01c57837$882e5780$140d000a@AlibreHost.alibre.com
MIME-Version: 1.0

Alibre is company behind this, they wanted to keep this secret till august. Goto »www.alibre.com to find out more about their software. If it is anything like the software they offer, It will be amazing!

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sat, 16 Jul 2005 10:56:05 EDT

Jan Janowski : That's why I registered under my "other" email address, that is only used for 'suspect' communications!
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sat, 16 Jul 2005 10:51:46 EDT

N10Cities : Quoting the register page:

"Just provide your e-mail address to register. When 100,000 people register, each will receive directions via e-mail to download the free software - so enter your real e-mail address or we won't be able to tell you how to get X-CAD. "

I hate to sound like a cynic, but I hope this isn't some scheme to harvest email addresses for spamming. Shame they can't let you have it now. Guess I could always use my Yahoo acct. :huh:

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sat, 16 Jul 2005 09:18:29 EDT

Jan Janowski : Let's see if this works....

83514
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Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sat, 16 Jul 2005 08:47:56 EDT

shwing : Thanks for the heads up!
83477 for me

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Sat, 16 Jul 2005 08:20:38 EDT

rocke86 : If you check the email header you will find out this company is behind it
»www.alibre.com/

legit company

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Fri, 15 Jul 2005 22:48:37 EDT

christcorp : 83104 here

I have my own email servers, so if I get too much crap I just close down the account and build another one. I do have others of course for different reasons. Later... Mike....

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Fri, 15 Jul 2005 22:10:48 EDT

AMDUSER : 83061

Getting closer. Hope this is a useful 3D CAD app. :)

Edit: fixed a spelling mistake.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Fri, 15 Jul 2005 18:46:39 EDT

NunyaBidness : 82812 when I was done
and whenever I sign up for anything online I use a throw away email address
heres hoping its a cool useful CAD app;)
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Nunya Bidness

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Fri, 15 Jul 2005 18:19:22 EDT

mattei :

said by Logan 5 :

Isn't that why one uses a disposable email address for cases like this??

Yes.

How much is an "opt-in" list with ~~100,000~~ 50,000 unique and verified email addresses worth? :D

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Fri, 15 Jul 2005 18:06:26 EDT

Logan 5 :

said by mattei :

How much is an "opt-in" list with 100,000 unique and verified email addresses worth?

Isn't that why one uses a disposable email address for cases like this??

Whoever "they" end up being can have Q1#$%65GN43@yahoo.com for all I care..let em spam away.

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Fri, 15 Jul 2005 17:55:02 EDT

mattei : How much is an "opt-in" list with 100,000 unique and verified email addresses worth?

Organization:
Donna Fallin
Donn Fallin
4001 Cherrywood Rd.
Austin, TX 78722
US
Phone: 469-212-5100

Looks residential:
»maps.google.com/maps?q=4001+Cher···=k&hl=en

Funny stuff:
»www.x-cad.net/faq.asp

Is anyone wondering if it will end up being a link to an existing product on download.com?

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Fri, 15 Jul 2005 17:30:02 EDT

Alexir : 82685
:)

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Fri, 15 Jul 2005 17:19:54 EDT

ChrisJT : 82661

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Fri, 15 Jul 2005 17:12:32 EDT

Logan 5 : 82641.

:)

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Fri, 15 Jul 2005 17:05:20 EDT

H2OuUp2 : 82625 Here. Spread the word.....

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Fri, 15 Jul 2005 16:50:53 EDT

Feenix : Hey!

86262 here

Faustus

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:34:49 EDT

heels_fan : Solidworks
P Engineer
ect ect

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Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:16:13 EDT

glynmiester : 82410

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Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:13:09 EDT

C_ : 82409 :uhh:

Re: [Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Fri, 15 Jul 2005 14:56:19 EDT

salzan : 82358 with me. :)

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Fri, 15 Jul 2005 13:51:33 EDT

JeffreyJ : 82201

[Free] Free 3d cad to first 100,000

Fri, 15 Jul 2005 12:58:00 EDT

rocke86 : »www.x-cad.net
This site is giving away 3D cad software for free. Register to reserve you copy before August.

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