Telcos lay down lines.... in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r14064681 en Fri, 27 Nov 2009 23:38:14 EDT Fri, 27 Nov 2009 23:38:14 EDT Re: Telcos lay down lines.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14101368 SteveCon :
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said by Plldwnyrpnts See Profile:

...and others reap the benefits. It is unfortunate that it costs too much to lay down the infrastructure or to even get it started. Sharing the lines the someone else paid for sucks but it does help competition. It's a double edged sword.
Line sharing does not equal FREE. If Covad or others "share", they still have to pay the telco for the access.

People always seem to think that the telco is being forced to give something away and not get revenue. Not true.
You're right, they're not giving it away for free. They give it away for a LOSS. Simply put, the government sets the rate for which the telco can charge the CLEC for the loop. This amount is LESS than what it cost for the loop & the maintenance. How the hell is that fair?? CLEC's have to be STUPID to NOT make money. Maybe that's why there are so many CLECs. It's a license to print money!

And I don't know how the CATV groups get their digital phone classified as an "information service" and avoid having to share their lines. If you regulate one - you have to regulate the other. Simple as that.
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As for the Bells, I expect that most Bells will continue to offer wholesale "loop" services to independent ISPs despite the ruling, just at higher prices; heck, even Verizon has been reported to be working with indie ISPs for access to FiOS. (As it stands now, in some cases Bells charge indie ISPs more for LOOPS ALONE than they do for their own retail ISP product.) Those served by Covad and other DCLECs seem to be completely unaffected...for now.

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said by raye See Profile:

What will this line sharing elimination do for T1 providers?
T1 is an unbundled product (UNE-P) so any ruling wouldnt effect it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14065223 Fri, 05 Aug 2005 12:36:32 EDT Re: Telcos lay down lines.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14065129 raye : And this is the difference between cable and local telcos.

Cable footed the bill for their infrastructure without taxpayer support. The local telcos had taxpayer financed aid in putting infrastructure in place.

IMHO, Cable should not be required to share, but telcos should.

What will this line sharing elimination do for T1 providers?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14065129 Fri, 05 Aug 2005 12:24:31 EDT Re: Telcos lay down lines.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14064873 PhoenixDown : TimeWarner shares thier lines with other ISP's and everyone seems to be doing well.
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What it does cost is their profit because by sharing that line means that someone else is making money on it and not them.
Not necessarily. It's like acquiring a wholesale customer. The costs of acquiring an equal number of retail customers isn't there (i.e. advertising, salespeople, etc.) Of course I guess these deals require a lot of attorneys, so maybe it is a wash...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14064869 Fri, 05 Aug 2005 11:46:00 EDT Re: Telcos lay down lines.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14064834 cmaenginsb : While the Baby Bells have to share their lines, it's not like it's free. It's not like it costs them anything. Understand that they are able to charge a fee to anyone using their lines to recover their costs. So it doesn't cost them anything.

What it does cost is their profit because by sharing that line means that someone else is making money on it and not them.

Not only is it a huge expense to create create a large network, think of the excess cabling etc. I have long said that the company who is maintaining the facilities should operate independantly of the company providing services.

As to higher speeds from this, nope this will make it worse. In areas where there isn't competition expect pricing to go up and speeds remain the same. The only thing that will drive DSL speeds up in certain areas is cable, as cable increases in speeds DSL will do the same to match it. After all if it wasn't for cable internet we'd probably all still be on 56k modems.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14064834 Fri, 05 Aug 2005 11:40:30 EDT Re: Telcos lay down lines.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14064779 Maxeh : yes, but telcos built the infrastructure laregely with PUBLIC money, hence the infrastructure should be open to the public
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said by Plldwnyrpnts See Profile:

...and others reap the benefits. It is unfortunate that it costs too much to lay down the infrastructure or to even get it started. Sharing the lines the someone else paid for sucks but it does help competition. It's a double edged sword.
Line sharing does not equal FREE. If Covad or others "share", they still have to pay the telco for the access.

People always seem to think that the telco is being forced to give something away and not get revenue. Not true.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14064756 Fri, 05 Aug 2005 11:30:39 EDT Telcos lay down lines.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14064681 Plldwnyrpnts : ...and others reap the benefits. It is unfortunate that it costs too much to lay down the infrastructure or to even get it started. Sharing the lines the someone else paid for sucks but it does help competition. It's a double edged sword.

Cable companies are lucky that they don't have to share. So they get to monopolize the area, but only until Cable company B comes in with it's own lines to bring on competition. A heavy price to pay for a shot in the dark.

Most people will not switch from one company for the other unless the price difference is significant. But how much will it cost company B just to bring in a decent customer base? Lose money to hope to make money.

I don't feel bad for the baby bells having to share their lines, but I understand that it sucks.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14064681 Fri, 05 Aug 2005 11:19:07 EDT