Re: Karl, it's you with the misinformation in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r14170701 en Sat, 28 Nov 2009 23:37:04 EDT Sat, 28 Nov 2009 23:37:04 EDT Re: Karl, it's you with the misinformation http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14173195 Karl Bode :
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PA doesn't ban any municipal broadband. PA has a ROFR for municipal broadband that has fees.

Your bosses in Harrisburg have pandered to Verizon and installed them as the gatekeeper in a process they have no business being a part of.
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Once the municipality wants to use taxpayer dollars to compete against private business for a market share, it must give the ILEC a ROFR.

Semantics again. Any muni who wants to charge for their service (even if just to cover network costs) has to beg Verizon's permission. Verizon then says "No, we may install service there," and delays the process indefinitely by dicking about in the legal system, showing just enough skin to keep regulators off their tail.

In the meantime the town that wanted to provide service, can't.

It's a ban. It's just more cleverly constructed to avoid backlash.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14173195 Fri, 19 Aug 2005 16:33:46 EDT Re: Karl, it's you with the misinformation http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14172361 senatedon : Dude:
you are misinformed.
Read the law. PA doesn't ban any municipal broadband. PA has a ROFR for municipal broadband that has fees.

If Smallville or SanFran wants to give away service to its residents, it can, and is not prohibited.

Once the municipality wants to use taxpayer dollars to compete against private business for a market share, it must give the ILEC a ROFR.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14172361 Fri, 19 Aug 2005 14:54:23 EDT Re: Karl, it's you with the misinformation http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14172057 fiberguy : G,

where do you keep coming up with this notion that Verizon didn't pay for the lines and that the users did? Users, last time I checked, bought phone service, not stock.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14172057 Fri, 19 Aug 2005 14:13:38 EDT Re: Karl, it's you with the misinformation http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14171650 calvoiper : Amen.

ROFR not a ban? ROFL!

calvoiper]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14171650 Fri, 19 Aug 2005 13:24:05 EDT Re: Karl, it's you with the misinformation http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14170701 nasadude : regardless of what the actual bill says or mandates, Karl has the absolutely correct interpretation of the intent, so don't give him no sh1t.

Pretend what you have to pretend to make yourself feel better, but don't try convince people on this forum that Pennsylvania didn't ban municipal broadband.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14170701 Fri, 19 Aug 2005 11:23:33 EDT Re: Karl, it's you with the misinformation http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14170601 cao1964 : Hey I live in PENN, and you can call it what ever, you want, in the end its the same.

They have lobbied her to stop any kind of FIOS so why not wireless also.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14170601 Fri, 19 Aug 2005 11:07:19 EDT Re: Karl, it's you with the misinformation http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14170598 G_Poobah : right of first refusal? Why the hell does verizon have that right in the first place? So, Philly got the 'exception', but every-other-place in PA got hosed.

What does this mean for other Pennsylvania towns? Well, they're pretty much screwed. They are required to give the local telcos the right of first refusal for municipal high-speed Internet services. Companies that refuse to let the cities go forward with their own internet services are required to provide a similar service within a 14 month window.

Verizon can go to hell before they have ANY rights to stop any competitor, be it city/state/private/public. Guess what verizon, you didn't pay for the telephone lines, the users of the telephone paid for it, but GUARANTEEING you a profit during your Ma Bell years. Now Verizon is just looking to screw everyone, and prevent any competition.

Though personally, I think that having any government agency run anything is a pretty bad idea, it's better than letting verizon steamroll their monopoly engine.
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Grand Poobah]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14170598 Fri, 19 Aug 2005 11:07:16 EDT Re: Karl, it's you with the misinformation http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14170432 Karl Bode : Semantics to make you and your bosses in Harrisburg feel better for selling out to corporate interests. Any muni in PA now has to go to Verizon for approval.

Philly was allowed through because it quickly became a Verizon PR nightmare.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14170432 Fri, 19 Aug 2005 10:44:22 EDT Karl, it's you with the misinformation http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14170388 senatedon : Again...and again, Pennsylvania did NOT ban municipal broadband. Pennsylvania now has in place a right of first refusal (ROFR) plan.

The ROFR works - Philly is an example.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14170388 Fri, 19 Aug 2005 10:37:52 EDT