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Love that Gnome....
Don't know if I could go back to a desktop that doesn't use true type fonts. One of the best things about KDE IMO. I hear Gnome has it now in beta so it's only a matter of time I guess. |
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| said by bobbyzee:
Don't know if I could go back to a desktop that doesn't use true type fonts. One of the best things about KDE IMO. I hear Gnome has it now in beta so it's only a matter of time I guess.
Uh, KDE just has Xft (X Freetype) anti-aliasing for truetype fonts, via Qt's support for it. XFree86 supports truetype fonts natively already, and other X implementations can use external font servers for support. Therefore, truetype fonts can be used in any desktop environment (or none at all), be it GNOME, KDE, or anything else. You probably just either misread something, or have truetype fonts only set up with Xft, and not as normal X fonts. |
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| said by Triskelios:
Uh, KDE just has Xft (X Freetype) anti-aliasing for truetype fonts, via Qt's support for it. XFree86 supports truetype fonts natively already, and other X implementations can use external font servers for support.
In Qmanman's screenshot posted can you get true type fonts in the menus, taskbar etc? What about the address line in the web browser? Can I also choose what true type fonts to be displayed? I'm talking more than just true type fonts on a web page.
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| said by bobbyzee:
In Qmanman's screenshot posted can you get true type fonts in the menus, taskbar etc? What about the address line in the web browser? Can I also choose what true type fonts to be displayed?
Yes, TrueType fonts are handled just like any other fonts in X; drawn on widgets with XDrawString() (XftDrawString() in the case of Xft anti-aliasing), etc., and so can be used anywhere any PCF or any other font can be used. |
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| This seems to say that true type anti aliased fonts in Gnome only recently became available in beta form.
»gnome Anti-Aliased fonts yay!
»news.gnome.org/999448136/index_html
Slashdot also had an article on it just recently.
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| said by bobbyzee:
This seems to say that true type anti aliased fonts in Gnome only recently became available in beta form.
»gnome Anti-Aliased fonts yay!
»news.gnome.org/999448136/index_html
Slashdot also had an article on it just recently.
The GNOME project has been developing Xft anti-aliasing support since several months ago, around the same time Keith Packard (XFree86 RENDER extension developer) patched Qt to add Xft support. These changes were for displaying anti-aliased fonts, not truetype fonts which have been supported by X (and therefore available to any X app, not dependant on desktop or toolkit) for more than a year now. |
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kudos:1 | reply to bobbyzee
said by bobbyzee:
Don't know if I could go back to a desktop that doesn't use true type fonts. One of the best things about KDE IMO. I hear Gnome has it now in beta so it's only a matter of time I guess.
Gnome uses whatever fonts that X uses... If your X-server can use TrueType, so can Gnome.
I've been using TT fonts with Gnome for at least two years now, so I don't know what you're talking about it being 'now in beta'. You may be talking about anti-alias font support, which was just announced in the past week or two. And as I understand it, KDE doesn't support anti-aliasing either (yet).
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said by bobbyzee:
In Qmanman's screenshot posted can you get true type fonts in the menus, taskbar etc? What about the address line in the web browser? Can I also choose what true type fonts to be displayed?...
Yes, these are defined in your .Xdefaults file. It's not simple to change them, but it *is* possible. I'll see how mine is set up when I go home later today... I don't use Netscape much anymore, so I can't remember if I'm currently using a TT font there or not.
Personally, I've taking a liking to the Helvetica font.
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said by bobbyzee:
This seems to say that true type anti aliased fonts in Gnome...
Your original post said 'truetype', not 'anti-alias'. Make up your mind... (I've yet to see the benefit or value of anti-aliasing. I think my font setup looks pretty damn good ! In fact, I wasn't impressed with the screenshot that the page linked from Slashdot showed recently (the story you alluded to)).
Here's an old one: »www.mindspring.com/~hallstevenso···2801.jpg (No, I don't listen to Dream !! I was playing it for my daughter !! ) Notice the address bar font. I spec'd to use 'nexus'; I could have used any font I had.
Here's one from August: »www.mindspring.com/~hallstevenso···2201.jpg
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| Sorry for me stuffing up. But you can get true type fonts in the widgets etc? I haven't seen these. When I think about it anti aliasing shouldn't be that important for the desktop environment as true type fonts should look ok at sizes 8-12 without anti aliasing. It's all personal preference I guess and at least we have a choice.
Hall in that screenshot could you say change the font for the terminal window to Arial?
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kudos:1 | said by bobbyzee:
...Hall in that screenshot could you say change the font for the terminal window to Arial?
Could you ?? Probably... Would I ?? Probably not. I think in a terminal window, you want 'proportional' fonts vs 'variable widths' ones. When I say proportional, the letter 'i' takes up the same amount of space as the letter 'w'. I think it's preferred for layout reasons (like being able to fit (80) columns, and therefore characters, in a 'line'. You couldn't do that with a TT font since 'i' takes up far less space than 'w').
I could be wrong about this though. Anyone else know ??
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| You can change the terminal window in KDE to use true type anti aliased fonts such as Arial etc. Your fonts definitely look good and better than my Windows desktop. Just to show you the difference here is how the front page of DSLR in my browser. I like this font but it can be changed to any font that you have. Every font you see in this is anti aliased.
»www3.sympatico.ca/kvesina/screen.jpg |
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kudos:1 | said by bobbyzee:
You can change the terminal window in KDE to use true type anti aliased fonts such as Arial etc....
The 'Gnome Terminal' has an option for changing the fonts it uses also, but I don't like the app itself so I haven't messed with it much. Again, just because you can use an anti-aliased TT font doesn't mean you should. I'm curious what an 'ls -l' would look like... I'll try it myself in a bit.
You likely have more control of Opera and it's QT/KDE-specific settings too since you run KDE full-time. I obviously can't change those things running Gnome...
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kudos:1 | reply to bobbyzee
Here's a shot of the 'Gnome Terminal' with a TrueType font being used (Comic Sans Serif, 10pt):
»home.mindspring.com/~hallstevens···onts.jpg
Especially notice the cursor and where it's located. I didn't add a bunch of spaces either. It has a bunch of out-of-place characters above the portion I'm showing too.
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said by Hall:
You may be talking about anti-alias font support, which was just announced in the past week or two. And as I understand it, KDE doesn't support anti-aliasing either (yet).
Excuse me, but Xft anti-aliasing via the XFree86 RENDER extension was in fact announced late last December, and a patch for Qt had been released (GTK support was added shortly thereafter).
Here are a screenshot of kmail taken on 1 Jan. this year, and a desktop shot from 2 Jan., both from my i686 GNU/Linux box (there were still a few display problems back then, particularly with fixed fonts, but hey, it certainly was working).
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said by Hall:
You likely have more control of Opera and it's QT/KDE-specific settings too since you run KDE full-time. I obviously can't change those things running Gnome...
Opera doesn't have any KDE-specific features or settings, and just relies on Qt; it works pretty much the same whether KDE is installed/running or not. |
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