Re: Wrong idea in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r14317054 en Wed, 02 Dec 2009 23:24:39 EDT Wed, 02 Dec 2009 23:24:39 EDT Re: Wrong idea http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14317054 vinnie97 : That includes SBC dial-up and DSL services. Sorry, but they're a bit too invasive to just caught off with a simple boycott.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14317054 Thu, 08 Sep 2005 02:40:01 EDT Re: Wrong idea http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14314373 guitarzan :
said by zemus See Profile :

Why is this important? well What if on the flip side We had a Chinese company in the US who had information on a real criminal, but for one reason or another they refuse to give it to us based on some moral standing that only applies to them. See this ladder swings both ways. No, disagreeing with policy doesn't not give you or anyone the right to ignore it.
What you described as the "get out of jail free card".Is more known as diplomatic immunity. So this ladder does not quite swing both ways.These foreign criminals are givin' free reign in the U.S. Then the proper agency's here, tuck them into first class seats making sure they are comfy and have a safe plain ride home.
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said by zemus See Profile :

so if the a US court subpoena Yahoo into releasing a specific user's identity, everyone here will think yahoo should ignore the laws of the USA and not give it out right? Just because a company disagrees with a government's policy does not give them the right to dis obey the laws. and if in China they want to do business they have to follow their law no matter how unjust we all think it is. it's that simple. You cannot have it both ways. either they follow all laws where ever they do business or they follow none.
Here here, finally someone with sense, in the end you can't fight the goverment, at least not in a civilized way, no wonder we have big problems in the world. Since we can't do anything about it, then don't get all mad when people go crazy and do real bad things to other people.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14314116 Wed, 07 Sep 2005 18:30:56 EDT Re: Wrong idea http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14313951 zemus : So who decide what's right and wrong? moral and immoral? hmm I like to think it would evolve through civil protest and these decisions are not made by a CEO in yahoo. I don't support China's policies however disagree with a law does not mean you do not have to obey it. Take the DMCA or the patriot act. i mean god damn these are stupid laws if u can even call it that... Which btw are in every way as bad as some of China's policies... Yet as civilized people we should form protests and peaceful resolutions but still obey the laws as long as it is in effect. Don't forget we still have segregation in certain small areas of the US. and only 50 years ago schools are separated black and white. These crimes are 100 times worst than anything you can fine in China who's government is less than 90 years old. 90 years after the US government was form we still had slavery. geez. That was a long tangent, back to the point. I neither want yahoo to be my moral compass nor do I want they to break any laws regardless of which country base on what they think is right or wrong mainly because their idea of right /wrong may not be the same as mine and morality is subjective, the law is not.

Why is this important? well What if on the flip side We had a Chinese company in the US who had information on a real criminal, but for one reason or another they refuse to give it to us based on some moral standing that only applies to them. See this ladder swings both ways. No, disagreeing with policy doesn't not give you or anyone the right to ignore it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14313951 Wed, 07 Sep 2005 18:06:03 EDT Re: Wrong idea http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14313509 ross : Business is business, eh? Well, helping arrest and facillitate prosecution of political dissidents in a country where such non-violent opposition to the state can mean a long prison term, as in this case, or even death is not the business of Yahoo!.

A rat is a rat, unless it is a particularly large odiferous RAT, like Yahoo! has just become. If the bottom line is their only concern, they are not acting responsibly.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14313509 Wed, 07 Sep 2005 17:08:00 EDT Re: Wrong idea http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14313417 broadbander :
so if the a US court subpoena Yahoo into releasing a specific user's identity, everyone here will think yahoo should ignore the laws of the USA and not give it out right?
Absolutely, if it related to some sort of dissidence or political resistance. Then again, I'm a journalist.

And why can't you have it both ways? There is NOTHING logically unfounded in obeying non-corrupt laws and disobeying corrupt laws.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14313417 Wed, 07 Sep 2005 16:56:14 EDT Re: Wrong idea http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14313317 zemus : so if the a US court subpoena Yahoo into releasing a specific user's identity, everyone here will think yahoo should ignore the laws of the USA and not give it out right? Just because a company disagrees with a government's policy does not give them the right to dis obey the laws. and if in China they want to do business they have to follow their law no matter how unjust we all think it is. it's that simple. You cannot have it both ways. either they follow all laws where ever they do business or they follow none.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14313317 Wed, 07 Sep 2005 16:41:16 EDT Re: Wrong idea http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14313036 Angrychair : Waaaaay out ahead of you. Anyone that's been using Yahoo anything for the last 6-7 years was already an idiot.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14313036 Wed, 07 Sep 2005 15:57:10 EDT Re: Yahoo is a snitch... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14312973 Albo : all i got to say is SHAME on Yahoo, so what to Chinese gov wanted to know they didn't point a gun to Yahoo executives to identify the source of the news, everyone should boycott Yahoo starting with me :mad:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14312973 Wed, 07 Sep 2005 15:47:17 EDT Yahoo is a snitch... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14312036 skyfreedomdo : I hope they get pounded by chinese hackers!:D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14312036 Wed, 07 Sep 2005 13:32:54 EDT