 TamaraBQuestion The Current ParadigmPremium
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| Storm in a bottle?What I don't understand is why go to all the trouble of making a real-time latency map, measure latency-times, compute a vector, and then come within a mile or so of a possible target location, when all you have to do is look up the IP address and get a name and address in most cases?
Something like TOR proxy defeats it all anyway, just as it defeats the IP method. But really NSA, don't you have better things than a three-legged horse to spend your research money on?
Bob
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 nixenRockin' the BoxenPremium
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Alexandria, VA | said by TamaraB:all you have to do is look up the IP address and get a name and address in most cases? ???
Ok, I just pulled the following 5 IPs randomly from my system logs. What name and address do you get when you look up:
66.92.150.14
12.108.188.134
209.101.111.130
87.48.83.53
4.67.10.141
If you can find the correct name and street address associated with those IPs, mind sharing how you found them?
-tom
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| 66.92.150.14
Xanthia Enterprises
5931 Monticello Rd.
Alexandria, Virginia 22303
United States
Administrative Contact:
Jones, Thomas H ns-admin@xanthia.com
5931 Monticello Rd
Alexandria, Virginia 22303
United States
(703) 560-2687 Fax -- (301) 230-5852
Technical Contact:
Jones, Thomas H ns-admin@xanthia.com
5931 Monticello Rd
Alexandria, Virginia 22303
United States
(703) 560-2687 Fax -- (301) 230-5852
12.108.188.134
Informatica Corporation ewong@INFORMATICA.COM
100 Cardinal Way
Redwood City, CA 94063
US
650-385-5000 fax: 650-385-5500 |
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 Combat ChuckToo Many CannibalsPremium
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Erie, PA | said by RevDNSwhois :
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Which tells you nothing about where the end users are located. Not to mention that sometimes that info is bogus.
According to your method, I live in NJ.
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TamaraBQuestion The Current ParadigmPremium
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| said by Combat Chuck:said by RevDNSwhois :
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Which tells you nothing about where the end users are located. Not to mention that sometimes that info is bogus. According to your method, I live in NJ. The "new" latency method tells you even less! It triangulates to a major city at best.
The NSA has access to the billing records of the ISPs who assigned those IP addresses. So, it's no big deal for them to get an address and a name. You and I can't just make a phone call, and demand the name and address of the user of that IP at any given time, the NSA CAN. The, resolution, is accurate to the local central office; in a metropolitan city, that's far greater resolution than you will get by the "latency method".
Can you see ANY benefit to using the newly patented Latency method over billing/ISP/DHCP information? If so, please tell me, as I am totally bewildered as to why the NSA is spending money developing an inferior geolocation method from what currently exists.
An IP address always correlates to a billing address (someone on this earth pays for that connection), the NSA has access to this information.
Bob
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Belvedere Tiburon, CA
1 edit | said by TamaraB:... Can you see ANY benefit to using the newly patented Latency method over billing/ISP/DHCP information? If so, please tell me, as I am totally bewildered as to why the NSA is spending money developing an inferior geolocation method from what currently exists. ... Bob The only use that comes to mind for me is in making the "rough cut" on determining the location of a VOIP user dialing 9-1-1 from a new location not shared with his VOIP provider--but this would assume that the user could provide "finer" detail on location (street address, hotel name, etc.) but if the user can provide that, they can provide the name of the metro area, too.
Besides, if this needs "many samples", you aren't going to get those in time to help someone through 9-1-1.
calvoiper
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TamaraBQuestion The Current ParadigmPremium
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| said by calvoiper:The only use that comes to mind for me is in making the "rough cut" on determining the location of a VOIP user dialing 9-1-1 from a new location not shared with his VOIP provider-- Every VOIP packet contains a source and destination IP addresses, which identifies a provider / Country / City / and user account. The "location" will ALWAYS be the last router in the ISP's network connecting to the user.
I still don't get the point of this 
Bob
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...why go to all the trouble..., when all you have to do is look up the IP address and get a name and address in most cases? Only shows you a "possible" ISP - can't rely on IP addresses, unless the ISP is forced to give up user info; our great Republic now lets the FBI et al, write up and sign off on their own warrants for that easy info trace, courtesy of "The Patriot Act." Even so, the IP is easily spoofed, for those who like their privacy...shoot, forgot about TPA and had just mentioned it!  lol
...But really NSA, don't you have better things than a three-legged horse to spend your research money on? You gotta be kiddin!   |
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