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Kennesaw, GA | Red State/Blue State Looks like another argument between liberals and conservatives.
The US should not give up control of anything to the UN. There is enough corruption in the UN already and a it harbors a genuine desire to hurt the United States. So far as I'm concerned, the UN should be tossed out of NY to set up shop someplace they've "helped." Haiti comes to mind. |
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| said by kenn10:Looks like another argument between liberals and conservatives. The US should not give up control of anything to the UN. There is enough corruption in the UN already and a it harbors a genuine desire to hurt the United States. So far as I'm concerned, the UN should be tossed out of NY to set up shop someplace they've "helped." Haiti comes to mind. Set up the UN in Baghdad.:D |
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said by kenn10:Looks like another argument between liberals and conservatives. The UN should not give up control of anything to the US. There is enough corruption in the US already and a it harbors a genuine desire to hurt the United Nations. So far as I'm concerned, the US should be tossed out of NY to set up shop someplace they've "helped." Haiti comes to mind. How about this? I fixed it for you. |
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kenn10
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2 edits | Folks who hate the US are free to get out. In fact I encourage them to get out and leave us as a free country.
Of course, we all know there is no corruption in the United Nations. I guess this article is just a lie:
Article website address: »www.CapMag.com/article.asp?ID=4200
Summary: The destruction of highly sensitive documents by Kofi Annan's chief aide is a massive obstruction of justice that demands major congressional investigation. It gives the impression of a huge cover-up at the very heart of the United Nations, and casts a dark cloud over the credibility of the UN secretary-general. It projects an image of impunity, arrogance and unaccountability on the part of the leadership of the United Nations.
[CapMag.com]
"Hell no!" was Kofi Annan's bullish response when asked last week if he would resign over the oil-for-food scandal.
The UN secretary-general's office was in full spin mode following the release of the eagerly awaited Volcker Interim Report on questions of conflict of interest involving Annan, whose son Kojo was employed by the UN oil-for-food contractor Cotecna.
And then there is this article: »www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/ed···it_x.htm
Of course, if this internet were controlled by the UN, I doubt any articles about Kofi Annan would be found. |
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said by kenn10:Looks like another argument between liberals and conservatives. Actually this goes well beyond irrelevant, petty, US, domestic, squabbles it is by nature an International issue.
The US should not give up control of anything to the UN. The US does not have any real "control" to "give up" nor do they have "ownership" of the internet to lose. What control there is is only by the mutual consent of the participating countries. There is no actual ownership of name-space, nor of IP-space. To state that the US has some control or ownership of the Internet is fundamentally and profoundly incorrect on it's face. The US neither owns, nor controls the net except by the agreement of all the other countries which participate in it. That consent is voluntary, and certainly not required, and can easily be revoked and re-assigned to an International body.
There is enough corruption in the UN already and a it harbors a genuine desire to hurt the United States. So far as I'm concerned, the UN should be tossed out of NY to set up shop someplace they've "helped." Haiti comes to mind. There is plenty of corruption right here at home (just look at the past 2 elections, Iraq, FEMA, Katrina....). People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones! I agree with your statement about the UN leaving the US, they SHOULD leave, and go to a neutral country like Switzerland, where they can operate without US interference.
If you believe in Democracy, then it is only natural to allow the governed to decide who governs, right? Doing otherwise is called tyranny. Are you for democracy or for tyranny? Or is democracy only a valid concept when it suits you?
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kamm
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Brooklyn, NY | reply to TamaraB
said by TamaraB:said by kenn10:Looks like another argument between liberals and conservatives. Actually this goes well beyond irrelevant, petty, US, domestic, squabbles it is by nature an International issue. The US should not give up control of anything to the UN. The US does not have any real "control" to "give up" nor do they have "ownership" of the internet to lose. What control there is is only by the mutual consent of the participating countries. There is no actual ownership of name-space, nor of IP-space. To state that the US has some control or ownership of the Internet is fundamentally and profoundly incorrect on it's face. The US neither owns, nor controls the net except by the agreement of all the other countries which participate in it. That consent is voluntary, and certainly not required, and can easily be revoked and re-assigned to an International body. There is enough corruption in the UN already and a it harbors a genuine desire to hurt the United States. So far as I'm concerned, the UN should be tossed out of NY to set up shop someplace they've "helped." Haiti comes to mind. There is plenty of corruption right here at home (just look at the past 2 elections, Iraq, FEMA, Katrina....). People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones! I agree with your statement about the UN leaving the US, they SHOULD leave, and go to a neutral country like Switzerland, where they can operate without US interference. If you believe in Democracy, then it is only natural to allow the governed to decide who governs, right? Doing otherwise is called tyranny. Are you for democracy or for tyranny? Or is democracy only a valid concept when it suits you? Bob Well said, great post.  |
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kenn10
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Since our discussion has become political rather than addressing the discussion of internet oversight, I'll make one more comment.
I heartily recommend the UN move to Switzerland as well. The real estate they occupy could be put to more productive use. The United Nations is an unnecessary drain on our tax coffers and is irrelevant in world politics among the super powers.
As to democracy, the US is a Republic, not a democracy. Nonetheless, I would be pleased if the issue of turning over the internet standards to the UN was brought to popular vote within the United States. I could project the results already.
Again, based on your statements, you telegraph that you are a whining, dissatisfied voter who's candidate did not win prior elections. True to the belief of democracy, the majority have spoken. Whining about side issues such as the control of the internet won't change election results.
The working citizens of the US grow weary of government handout programs and the subversion of our sovereignty. Socialism didn't work for the Soviet Union and it won't work for the United States. Fortunately, there is a current majority in this country who still embrace the American dream and don't whine about the evil government at every turn. People need to stop expecting our government to be the great provider and start taking care of themselves.
The internet has sprung from American ingenuity and a lot of public and federal money. I don't view it as a good investment to give it away to a multi-national oversight committee. There is too much internet commerce at stake. If the EU wants different standards, they're free to go off and do their own thing. Current technologies would easily allow for gateways to communicate with dissimilar networks.
Perhaps its time we dusted off the Monroe Doctrine, closed our borders and solved problems within our own country for awhile. I am absolutely certain that relinquishing of the Unites States' span of control of its own destiny to the UN in any capacity would be foolhardy and weaken our country further. Of course, that is what the liberals want to see happen. They want everyone dependent on a central government with no independent thought of their own.
Thank heavens we do have democracy and enough clear-headed people to vote to prevent its further degradation to a socialist state. |
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| said by kenn10:Fortunately, there is a current majority in this country who still embrace the American dream and don't whine about the evil government at every turn. said by kenn10:People need to stop expecting our government to be the great provider and start taking care of themselves. ... They want everyone dependent on a central government with no independent thought of their own. So you would be part of the minority that does whine about the "evil government" I'm assuming? |
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said by kamm:said by kenn10:Looks like another argument between liberals and conservatives. The US will never give up control of anything to the UN. There is enough corruption in the UN already and a it harbors a genuine desire to hurt the United Statess. So far as I'm concerned, kamm should be tossed out of the US along with the UN lovers to help the UN set up shop someplace for food for oil or create another sex scandal so they can claim we the UN "helped." Haiti comes to mind. How about this? I fixed it for you. --
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said by TamaraB:If you believe in Democracy, then it is only natural to allow the governed to decide who governs, right? Doing otherwise is called tyranny. Are you for democracy or for tyranny? Or is democracy only a valid concept when it suits you? Bob We are a Republic, not a democracy.You would not want to actually live in a democracy.Want to see a democracy.? Take a look at the countries where the UN stuck its dirty fingers, theres democracy in action.
Proof is in the federalist papers, the Constitution of the U.S of A. Do you not recall the Pledge of Allegiance.?
Paraphrased "and to the Republic for which it stands".
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said by kenn10:Folks who hate the US are free to get out. In fact I encourage them to get out and leave us as a free country. Agreed ouselanders rouse snell
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"Folks who hate the US are free to get out. In fact I encourage them to get out and leave us as a free country
who the hell died and made you dictator?"
since when is free speech not my right??
since when is free speech allowed only if it is 'for' the U.S. and not if its against certain policies by our ostrich govt?
you are the one who should be thrown out. |
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"Folks who hate the US are free to get out. In fact I encourage them to get out and leave us as a free country
who the hell died and made you dictator?"
since when is free speech not my right??
since when is free speech allowed only if it is 'for' the U.S. and not if its against certain policies by our ostrich govt?
you are the one who should be thrown out.
So you're a US Resident who pay tax or just some whiner foreigner? Just curious. Because if you not, then you probably keep your problem to yourself, and let us (US) fight/pay for our freedom eh. Again apology if you're one of US. |
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we are a constitutional republic, we ARE not a democracy |
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