Re: Who Cares in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r14476393 en Thu, 03 Dec 2009 07:39:36 EDT Thu, 03 Dec 2009 07:39:36 EDT Re: Who Cares http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14485472 Storm72 : And here I thought the CBC staff was locked out. Silly me, I guess the sheep need to be fed their state and Liberal Party approved propaganda somehow.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14485472 Sat, 01 Oct 2005 22:49:07 EDT Re: Who Cares http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14482934 calvoiper :
said by Azio :

... The UN can't run anything without turning it into a disaster.
Give us one example that is not military or Iraqi in nature.
Sudan?

Unicef?

UN HQ personnel management?

Bosnia? (Oh, sorry, that WAS military--at least it became so by the time Clinton had to bail out the UN, though it started as "aid".)

BTW, the Internet began as a military communications protocol for command and control messages. So wouldn't that disqualify it from the list of "non-military" things you think the UN might be capable of managing without FUBARing?

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said by PDXPLT See Profile :

Hmmm... So the ITU's 170-year track record of developing telecom standards is a "disaster"? Who do you think is responsible for the fact that you can pick up just about any phone in the world, punch in a few numbers, and reach just about any other phone?

You should try to learn at least a little about the issue your talking about, before commenting on it. ...
I'd think the ITU did a non-cruddy job if I could just "punch in a few numbers". Instead, I have to carry a long list of "country codes", a separate list of "international dial out codes" and various notes about when to pause, when to speed things up by hitting "#", etc.

Aside from problems involving the UN's tremendous desire to control something they could turn into a cash cow to fund corruption now that "oil for food" is past, I don't want to have to remember that to reach websites in part of the former Yugoslavia I have to type "gttp://" because folks in that region are offended that "http" used to stand for "Hail To Tito's Papa" or some other such "politically correct" cr@p that the UN so excels at.

(Also, for future clarity, you might explore the difference between "your" and "you're".)

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It will, however, give cybersquatters the opportunity of a lifetime.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14479684 Fri, 30 Sep 2005 22:52:49 EDT Re: Who Cares http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14479527 theeinstein : What freaking planet are you from.. Rogers as your provider I am going to assume Canaduh ?

I am a typical American. We have freedoms that men and women have earned! We stand for what we believe and don't ask other countries what they think or feel before we do something. Get used to it. By the way if the internet stopped at the US boarders The content would still be plentiful so don't kid yourself!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14479527 Fri, 30 Sep 2005 22:25:52 EDT Re: Who Cares http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14479294 Roop :
said by theeinstein See Profile :

If they don't like our position they don't have to participate in the internet!

I think a technical term for this would be "we have them by the Balls"!!

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you're a typical american. how much fun will the internet be when it stop at the us boarders?

your government has you by the balls and they have blinded you to that truth. as long as your goverment controls all media, there is only one truth, theirs.

twat.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14479294 Fri, 30 Sep 2005 21:44:06 EDT Re: Who Cares http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14478972 PDXPLT :
said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

And it takes them years to forge an agreement on anything. Yes, the telephones work, but they have had 50 years to get it right. That organization moves too slow to manage something like the ever changing internet.
Actually, under current rules, it takes as little as 6 months to finish a standard. The ITU-T director has said recently he's gotten comments from people in the IETF (Internet Engineering Task Force), that they happen too fast. I know folks here will be appalled, but alot of IETF standard depend on ITU documents (the horror! The sky is falling! the sky is falling!). They'd probably also wouldn't believe that more Americans work on ITU committees than any other country.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14478972 Fri, 30 Sep 2005 20:53:59 EDT Re: Who Cares http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14476895 Transmaster : What you forget is the ITU predates the UN by a couple of decades. It set the standards before the UN started to muck things up.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14476895 Fri, 30 Sep 2005 15:43:29 EDT Re: Who Cares http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14476480 theeinstein : With that said is it possible the next time you visit those "other places" that you stay there?

:D:D:D:D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14476480 Fri, 30 Sep 2005 14:46:28 EDT Re: Who Cares http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14476393 cao1964 :
said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

said by theeinstein See Profile :
The UN can't run anything without turning it into a disaster. ICANN already has international membership and doesn't need UN involvement or interference. Global government is a bad idea whose time should never come.
Ha ha, I am from the states and I don't think the UN is useless, its not perfect but I would actually not mind if the UN shared some of the power, you must be one of those fanitic american. Get a life, its not only not perfect here, its not that incredible either and yes I have lived and visited other places.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14476393 Fri, 30 Sep 2005 14:34:52 EDT Re: Who Cares http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14476025 packetscan : If you are not WITH us your are AGAINST us.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14476025 Fri, 30 Sep 2005 13:47:27 EDT Re: Who Cares http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14475994 anon : yes learn about the real issue,,, and that would be the pissant euro trash country's wanting to control information. The last thing these governments want is a informed public. You think is the only country trying to block information,,,umm hell no. If just a few of the french could read and understand what we in this country have, they would revolt. Keep the people ignorant, that is the only hope for socialist regimes.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14475994 Fri, 30 Sep 2005 13:44:52 EDT Re: Who Cares http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14475896 bistro777 :
said by theeinstein See Profile :

I think a technical term for this would be "we have them by the Balls"!!
Given the history of deployment here in the States, I think the correct phrase is "we have them by the Bells." :-)

"I base my fashion sense on what doesn't itch." - Gilda Radner]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14475896 Fri, 30 Sep 2005 13:33:02 EDT Re: Who Cares http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14475861 kapil : The proof of burden?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14475861 Fri, 30 Sep 2005 13:29:04 EDT Re: Who Cares http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14475639 fiberguy : "You should try to learn at least a little about the issue your talking about, before commenting on it. Spouting off ideological pronouncements from a position of ingorance, that may be wholly inappropriate to the specific issue at hand, adds nothing to the discussion."

Bravo! Way to go! You told that 'no-body' with an 'opion' off but good, now didn't you? Who died and left you moderator.

Instead of bashing him for his opinion, and you yourself looking like a power hungry superiority ingorant person yourself in an open and free forum, why don't you just lay out the facts?

What I saw in his post was, like many people in American, is that he doesn't like or trust the U.N. - many people believe that the U.N. is nothing more than the old disbanded League of Nations.

To the small time that the U.N. has held the ITU as a specialized unit, telecommunications may be running O.K., but there are many other areas where people believe the U.N. is corrupt and ineffective. I thend to look at the over all picture when judging any 'body' instead of just one small area. It's how everyone is looked at - no different that when people look at your credit score. You can have one great 10 yera history on your home loan and suck and keeping your creidt cards and other bills paid. Doesn't make you a good risk.

Like many others say, if the internet ain't broke, don't fix and, and it ain't broke.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14475639 Fri, 30 Sep 2005 13:00:02 EDT Re: Who Cares http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14475630 noone1 : Can someone PLEASE tell me WHY we should change the current means of Governance?
I do not accept, "Its a world resource." This is not a valid argument since many of the world's resources are controlled by a limited number of governments.

So, tell me...
1. What is *broken*
2. How it will be fixed
3. How no OTHER problems will arise

You MUST address ALL three points.
The burden of proof is on those who want the change.

*edit due to lysdexia. Thanks Kapil for pointing it out*]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14475630 Fri, 30 Sep 2005 12:59:16 EDT Re: Who Cares http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14475577 averagedude : IMO there is a difference between creating standards and running/regulating things.

I am all for standards, be it business or the UN ITU.
At this time I just don't trust the UN to running/regulating the internet. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14475577 Fri, 30 Sep 2005 12:54:22 EDT Re: Who Cares http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14475572 anon : Keeping the UN from ruining the internet is the best thing that could happen. The UN can't run anything without turning it into a disaster.
Give us one example that is not military or Iraqi in nature. Better yet, explain how the ITU is a disaster.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14475572 Fri, 30 Sep 2005 12:53:26 EDT Re: Who Cares http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14475561 TKJunkMail :
said by mgbaker See Profile :

The ITU is very well run, it is because of them that global standards are in place and I can pick up the phone and talk seemlesly to someone in India or France.
And it takes them years to forge an agreement on anything. Yes, the telephones work, but they have had 50 years to get it right. That organization moves too slow to manage something like the ever changing internet.
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ITU is the organization many want to take over ICANN's
job.

The ITU is very well run, it is because of them that
global standards are in place and I can pick up the
phone and talk seemlesly to someone in India or France.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14475525 Fri, 30 Sep 2005 12:45:46 EDT Re: Who Cares http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14475471 PDXPLT :
said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

[Keeping the UN from ruining the internet is the best thing that could happen. The UN can't run anything without turning it into a disaster.
Hmmm... So the ITU's 170-year track record of developing telecom standards is a "disaster"? Who do you think is responsible for the fact that you can pick up just about any phone in the world, punch in a few numbers, and reach just about any other phone?

You should try to learn at least a little about the issue your talking about, before commenting on it. Spouting off ideological pronouncements from a position of ingorance, that may be wholly inappropriate to the specific issue at hand, adds nothing to the discussion.

As it is, it looks like this standoff is leading to a second DNS system: one controlled by whoever happens to be in the White House at the time, and one by an intergovernmental body. 'not surprising these days that most of the world is alot more comfortable with one than the other.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14475471 Fri, 30 Sep 2005 12:33:13 EDT Re: Who Cares http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14475281 TKJunkMail :
said by theeinstein See Profile :

If they don't like our position they don't have to participate in the internet!

I think a technical term for this would be "we have them by the Balls"!!

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»www.globetechnology.com/servlet/···hnology/
The United States refuses to relinquish its role as the Internet's principal traffic policeman, rejecting calls in a United Nations meeting for a U.N. body to take over, a top U.S. official said Thursday.

One proposal that countries have been discussing would wrest control of domain names from the U.S.-based Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers, or ICANN, and place it with an intergovernmental group, possibly under the United Nations.

"We think that that's inappropriate," Gross told reporters at U.N. offices in Geneva. "The genius of the Internet is that it has been flexible (and) private sector led."
Keeping the UN from ruining the internet is the best thing that could happen. The UN can't run anything without turning it into a disaster. ICANN already has international membership and doesn't need UN involvement or interference. Global government is a bad idea whose time should never come.
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I think a technical term for this would be "we have them by the Balls"!!

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