ZA 6.0.667.000 in Security http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r14495182 en Sat, 28 Nov 2009 21:15:12 EDT Sat, 28 Nov 2009 21:15:12 EDT Re: ZA 6.0.667.000 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14500772 Tsume : I already did all of that :(

I set all of the programs to uber-trusted, opened the ports, basically gave them full access... the lag spikes never went away though.

IMO if there were a configuration problem it should either be completely block or completely allow. This ping spiking sounds more like an issue that needs to be fixed with the program itself.
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"True warriors do not follow paths, they make them. It is not just their desire, it is their nature." (Battletech)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14500772 Tue, 04 Oct 2005 08:24:50 EDT Re: ZA 6.0.667.000 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14500645 anon : If you are getting lag spikes with Zone Alarm you might want to make sure that all the necessary programs for that game have their security levels properly set in Zone Alarm so that they have access through your security layers. ZoneAlarm Pro may update these settings automatically by using SmartDefense Adviser. As more people use the program for games those files that your game uses will eventually become part of that updated list. For now you will have to manually configure many of your on-line games so that they have access through the ZA firewall and to your system files. Since Zone Alarm automatically sets Zone Alarm to put your routers entire local network to the internet zone try instead also ADDING your machine's own IP address in the Trusted Zone (for example add and apply 192.168.1.100 or whatever your IP address is to the ZA firewall's trusted zone).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14500645 Tue, 04 Oct 2005 07:46:20 EDT Re: ZA 6.0.667.000 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14500618 watchd0g : if you want to run old outdated firewall software, may I sell you a copy of Nortons antivirus I pought in 1995 ? if doing me little good, but if you like to run old software, and you feel you are at no risk by doing so....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14500618 Tue, 04 Oct 2005 07:37:15 EDT Re: ZA 6.0.667.000 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14500612 anon : NAV 2006 or 2005 may very well be incompatible with ZoneAlarm Security Suite since you are using two AV programs. But ZoneAlarm Pro which does not have antivirus should match up well with the new NAV. However, you might want to turn off the newer firewall like feature that is included in the latest NAV programs as well as making sure that XPs SP2 firewall is not enabled along with ZAP. You should only be running one software firewall such as ZAP and one Antivirus program. Norton Internet Security also has a firewall so that would also not match with any version of Zone Alarm. It is best to purchase only the individual antivirus programs if you want to use ZoneAlarm. The only exception to using a suite would be if you used only the ZoneAlarm Security program which has antivirus. You can however run multiple antispyware programs at the same time one the same machine as I have by using ZAPs Antispyware enabled, Spy Sweeper 4, MS Antispyware, McAfee Antispyware, Spybot S&D, and Spyware Blaster.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14500612 Tue, 04 Oct 2005 07:34:53 EDT Re: ZA 6.0.667.000 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14500573 Tsume : I wish this version didn't cause huge lag spikes that make the games GunZ Online and World of Warcraft unplayable.

Other than that it's nice. I have this on my laptop right now, since that's a non-gaming machine. This PC I'm on uses Windows Firewall until this issue is solved :(
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"True warriors do not follow paths, they make them. It is not just their desire, it is their nature." (Battletech)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14500573 Tue, 04 Oct 2005 07:21:25 EDT Re: ZA 6.0.667.000 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14500563 anon : I have been using ZAP since version 2.6 . I had problems with some early versions of 4, 5, and 6 . ZAP 6.0.631 had a few issues, mostly too many pop up warnings and some other minor annoyances. I did a clean install of ZAP 6.0.667.00 and I was amazed at how good it is. They fixed most of the pop up issues, the stability is the best ever, and my DSL connection seems faster than I can remember. I really like the three layer security that protects the Windows OS and critical internet files. I can not believe people are bitching and complaining about the new ZAP and calling it bloatware. This version is lean and clean even with the new antispyware feature turned on. I was so impressed with it that I installed it on three other machines and purchased two year subscription renewals for all of them. I have had zero problems on all four of those Windows XP Pro systems using ZAP. Since I hate updating software subscriptions and the price is cheaper doing a two year instead that I recommend doing a CLEAN installation with the latest ZAP and go for a two year renewal. I chose ZAP instead of the ZA Security Suite since I preferred using a different Antivirus software (Norton 2003). But if you want to keep your machine lean and simple and have an all in one package then a two year subscription with the ZA Security Suite might be the easiest and least expensive way to go. If you do decide on using a different AV with ZAP I have found that McAfee VirusScan 9 or 10 and the Norton's from 2003 and on match up very well with ZAP as well as the antispyware programs such as Webroot Spy Sweeper and Microsoft Antispyware.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14500563 Tue, 04 Oct 2005 07:18:17 EDT Re: ZA 6.0.667.000 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14500412 John2g :
said by Hall See Profile :

The fact that they work well is beside the point, of course.
For me, it is exactly the point.
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said by sclement See Profile :

Note that NAV 2006 is incompatible with ZAS
Can you show us a link please? I'm planning to update to NAV 2006, if that's the case, I have to think of another alternative.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14498187 Mon, 03 Oct 2005 21:33:38 EDT Re: ZA 6.0.667.000 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14498113 TK421 :
said by IGGY See Profile :

"ZAP's cookie-blocking, javascript control, and ad-blocking has caused me a few problems in the past"

I've seen comments like this in the past. Yet no one ever seems to go into detail. Granted I don't use these features full blown. I don't feel the need. But I've never ran into an issue that couldn't be resolved with just a simple settings change.
When I said ".. a few problems in the past" I meant, specifically, enabling those privacy settings caused escalating memory usage with the vsmon.exe process, javascript functionality problems, and sometimes odd page-rendering on web-sites. I no longer use any ZA Pro privacy features because I found better ways.

Possibly v6.0 corrected the situations I experienced with older versions. But many people seem to only look at their browser settings and don't consider that ZA may prevent javascript and cookies working properly if privacy controls are enabled. Just my opinion, there seems to be far fewer problems if ZA privacy settings are turned off. I have had no difficulties using ZAP without them (in fact, I'm a satisfied customer :)).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14498113 Mon, 03 Oct 2005 21:23:12 EDT Re: ZA 6.0.667.000 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14497817 jlarem : I was wondering why some people think that because they don't have problems that the problems of others are not real?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14497817 Mon, 03 Oct 2005 20:41:45 EDT Re: ZA 6.0.667.000 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14497621 anon : I have used free Zone Alarm for 7 years, never had a problem with it, and I don't know what I am doing, so I was wondering why a few people always blame someone for something that isn't their fault?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14497621 Mon, 03 Oct 2005 20:20:34 EDT Re: ZA 6.0.667.000 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14497527 IGGY : Doomed for disaster? I wouldn't go that far. But as I've clearly point out in the past. No reasonable member here would tell someone not to install a Microsoft update that would in fact fix a security problem. Although some system admins would state that they would wait awhile to make sure nothing got broke do to this patch or fix being applied.

Many here have stated that my opinion is a bit over the top in regards to not using older builds. Yet they refuse to acknowledge the many times I have been vindicated in regards to my opinion.

Just recently a flaw was pointed out in relation to older builds of the ZoneAlarm product. Granted it seems like this hasn't been fixed in the free version.

»iggy.gnomeblog.com/blog/_archive···502.html

»Bypassing Personal Firewall (ZAP) Using DDE-IPC

In regards to the install procedure. I'd say that sticking with the /CLEAN method would be the best approach. You should never have an occasion where your going to have to do a full reinstall of an OS do to a ZoneAlarm problem.

As to the comment in regards to bloat. I think a look at the features list and the related alert I linked above. Is a perfect example of the fact that other features have been added to improve the overall security of the user. And some of what others claim is bloat is actually very helpful in regards to user security. Recent additions to the product are what make the newer builds immune to the reported vulnerability.

Also how can this be bloat? When it has been shown that resource usage has stayed the same or only slightly increased with these additions?

"ZAP's cookie-blocking, javascript control, and ad-blocking has caused me a few problems in the past"

I've seen comments like this in the past. Yet no one ever seems to go into detail. Granted I don't use these features full blown. I don't feel the need. But I've never ran into an issue that couldn't be resolved with just a simple settings change.

This is not to say that ZoneLabs hasn't had some issues in regards to this product. I've personally addressed some of these. Most recently I've been very vocal in regards to the lack of communication with TeamZ or at least with me. Maybe this is do to my most recent comments.

I've personally not experienced any problems with the latest build. Although I've yet to reinstall Style XP on any of our machines at home. Though I've not seen any reports of users having the modified boot screen issue again with the newer builds.
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In your shoes I would be a little concerned that you may have some other conflict since your intial 6.x install went badly. Make sure you image/backup your drive prior to trying another install.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14496708 Mon, 03 Oct 2005 18:04:39 EDT Re: ZA 6.0.667.000 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14496654 sclement : Note that NAV 2006 is incompatible with ZAS]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14496654 Mon, 03 Oct 2005 17:56:16 EDT Re: ZA 6.0.667.000 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14496641 zigzagpt : Here is a new feature that don't have in version 4.5... "SmartDefense Adviser". If I set it to auto does it mean I myself can´t choose the progs Internet access??]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14496641 Mon, 03 Oct 2005 17:54:02 EDT Re: ZA 6.0.667.000 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14496577 TK421 : With ZAP I prefer to avoid all privacy controls and let Windows Security Center watch my anti-virus. ZAP's cookie-blocking, javascript control, and ad-blocking has caused me a few problems in the past -- there are better programs to handle that stuff. Everything else seems fine with default settings.

ZAP is good at configuring program access on its own with "SmartDefense Adviser" set Auto. I don't see a lot of prompts anymore.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14496577 Mon, 03 Oct 2005 17:45:23 EDT Re: ZA 6.0.667.000 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14496510 zigzagpt : The OS firewall is already disabled. Actually, was thinking of the pro version...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14496510 Mon, 03 Oct 2005 17:35:25 EDT Re: ZA 6.0.667.000 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14496461 Mem : I don't think the OS firewall is a free version feature either...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14496461 Mon, 03 Oct 2005 17:29:34 EDT Re: ZA 6.0.667.000 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14496453 TK421 : Clean install is now the method suggested by ZoneLabs. As for polemic features, I don't think there are any with the free version (i.e. no privacy controls, advanced program control, anti-spyware, etc..). The OS Firewall can also be disabled if there is some reason you want to...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14496453 Mon, 03 Oct 2005 17:28:29 EDT Re: ZA 6.0.667.000 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14496388 zigzagpt : Should a clean install be the safer procedure??]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14496388 Mon, 03 Oct 2005 17:18:39 EDT Re: ZA 6.0.667.000 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14496282 TK421 : Some might argue adding *features* is what caused most problematic issues with ZA, although not all changes are detrimental or simply bloat. If there was a perfect firewall it would never need to be updated. Newer versions do fix compatibility problems, system stability, and security vulnerabilities.

ZoneAlarm Pro Release History

[edit to add link]]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14496282 Mon, 03 Oct 2005 17:01:41 EDT Re: ZA 6.0.667.000 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14496090 zigzagpt : Excuse Hall didn't read your topic before. So, what are those polemic features, by the way??]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14496090 Mon, 03 Oct 2005 16:35:55 EDT Re: ZA 6.0.667.000 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14496059 zigzagpt : Programs and connections allowances appear to be different in ZA 667. Is that a fact?? Any link for one to get to know better the most crucial configurations??
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14496059 Mon, 03 Oct 2005 16:32:32 EDT Re: ZA 6.0.667.000 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14496043 Hall : A firewall's basic task is to control incoming and outgoing connections. It's pretty simple... What new *abilities* does newer versions of ZA, or any firewall for that matter, introduce ?? I'm guessing most things in newer versions are *features*, or what some call "bloat", not underlying core functionality.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14496043 Mon, 03 Oct 2005 16:29:34 EDT Re: ZA 6.0.667.000 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14495802 TK421 : No problems whatsoever with ZAP on Win XP-SP2. :D

IMO the best protection is usually had with the current version. I would not recommend using an older, obsolete, version unless running on a very old machine. Even v6.0.667.000 is performing smoothly on a P3-800 w/128 RAM.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14495802 Mon, 03 Oct 2005 15:52:25 EDT Re: ZA 6.0.667.000 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14495776 Hall : You guys should be careful advocating using such an "old" version of ZA... :) The fact that they work well is beside the point, of course. Some people here think you must run the latest version or be doomed for disaster.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14495776 Mon, 03 Oct 2005 15:49:12 EDT Re: ZA 6.0.667.000 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14495658 mark5019 : im useing the newest free version on xp home sp2 and no problems never had any]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14495658 Mon, 03 Oct 2005 15:32:08 EDT Re: ZA 6.0.667.000 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14495510 John2g : I would still stay with 4.5.594, which is the version I am using. It is a very stable version: the new versions are mainly bloat, as far as I can see.
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said by zigzagpt See Profile :

Awhile ago and right after installing ZA 6.0.631 was forced to reinstall my OS because of so many troubles and errors. General problems already discussed in this forum... Went back to version 4.5.594.000.
Now that a few weeks have passed since the release of version 6.0.667.000... wonder your expert opinion about the use and behavior of the newest ZA version. I mean, does it worth moving to the above mentioned version?? Would appreciate you could explain the good reasons why... or why not.
I've been using 667 with no problems, though I don't see any advantages over the older versions. Windows ME.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14495343 Mon, 03 Oct 2005 14:48:03 EDT Re: ZA 6.0.667.000 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14495340 MarkAW : First off i am using ZoneAlarm free version 6.0.667.000 on a XP Pro Sp2 and i haven't had any problems what so ever in the 5 years i have been using ZA.In my humble opinion yes it would be wise to move up to the next version, why well the improvements better stability etc.But i am no expert i am only saying what i have experienced, so i leave it up to you to decide.I wish you luck.
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Now that a few weeks have passed since the release of version 6.0.667.000... wonder your expert opinion about the use and behavior of the newest ZA version. I mean, does it worth moving to the above mentioned version?? Would appreciate you could explain the good reasons why... or why not.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14495182 Mon, 03 Oct 2005 14:25:24 EDT