 DrunkulaPremium
join:2000-06-12
Denton, TX
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Re: Leo Laport says software firewall not needed! I'd say he's stupid for recommending such actions. Just my 2 cents....
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I guess I should elaborate a little. My reasoning is that most home routers do not block outbound traffic by default. Without that functionality I think you're playing with fire. |
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 SteveI know your IP addressConsultant
join:2001-03-10
Yorba Linda, CA
kudos:5 | said by Drunkula:I'd say he's stupid for recommending such actions. I don't think that's stupid at all - I don't run a software firewall of any kind either.My reasoning is that most home routers do not block outbound traffic by default. Without that functionality I think you're playing with fire. An outbound firewall doesn't offer any first-line defense: it only protects you if you have already done something stupid.
So what you're saying: "I do stupid things and need outbound protection, and he's stupid for suggesting I don't"
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| said by Steve:said by Drunkula:I'd say he's stupid for recommending such actions. I don't think that's stupid at all - I don't run a software firewall of any kind either. My reasoning is that most home routers do not block outbound traffic by default. Without that functionality I think you're playing with fire. An outbound firewall doesn't offer any first-line defense: it only protects you if you have already done something stupid. So what you're saying: "I do stupid things and need outbound protection, and he's stupid for suggesting I don't" ? Steve Thats what I was thinking! 
I never install any bad stuff on my pc. And I also am running things like Anti Virus software,SpywareBlaster,Microsoft AntiSpyware,Spybot - Search & Destroy,Trojan Remover, Adaware and the Spyware Block List File so all those things would stop the bad stuff from getting on my pc in the first place right? |
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 CudniLa Merma - VigiladoPremium,MVM
join:2003-12-20
Someshire
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What if the system allows something stupid to happen, as in something installed on the comp due to unknown and un-patched vulnerability, to an otherwise cautious user?
edit@ or if in error wrong patch is applied
»www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1874284,00.asp
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davePremium,MVM
join:2000-05-04
not in ohio
kudos:7 | reply to Steve
I'm with stupid. |
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 KeizerI'M Your HuckleberryPremium,MVM
join:2003-01-20 | reply to Steve
I don't run a software firewall of any kind either. An outbound firewall doesn't offer any first-line defense: it only protects you if you have already done something stupid.
So what you're saying: "I do stupid things and need outbound protection, and he's stupid for suggesting I don't"
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Steve
Well gee, aren't you special! Maybe some of us like to do stupid stuff on purpose when we surf. You know there are times when you want to as well!
Personally, I don't rely heavely on any of these security apps to keep my system clean. I have unconventional ways of handeling that.
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said by gate1975mlm:said by Steve:said by Drunkula:I'd say he's stupid for recommending such actions. I don't think that's stupid at all - I don't run a software firewall of any kind either. My reasoning is that most home routers do not block outbound traffic by default. Without that functionality I think you're playing with fire. An outbound firewall doesn't offer any first-line defense: it only protects you if you have already done something stupid. So what you're saying: "I do stupid things and need outbound protection, and he's stupid for suggesting I don't" ? Steve Thats what I was thinking! I never install any bad stuff on my pc. And I also am running things like Anti Virus software,SpywareBlaster,Microsoft AntiSpyware,Spybot - Search & Destroy,Trojan Remover, Adaware and the Spyware Block List File so all those things would stop the bad stuff from getting on my pc in the first place right? Want to know what i run on my computer in terms of "security apps"? Nothing. I use FF exclusivly. My firewall server blocks spyware/malware sites automatically and all traffic is scanned for virii on the fly. My machines are win2k pro. Now i am a technical person and i have my own buisness in this area. Some of my clients i have them running the whole suite of stuff because they won't use anything but IE so i have to laod them up. They also seem determined to click on anything they come across. For those folks I load them up with everything(spyware, a/v, cookies, popup..etc etc). For other clients they also have minimal applicatons running.
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 DaDogsSemper VigilantisPremium
join:2004-02-28
Deltaville, VA
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said by Steve:said by Drunkula:I'd say he's stupid for recommending such actions. I don't think that's stupid at all - I don't run a software firewall of any kind either. My reasoning is that most home routers do not block outbound traffic by default. Without that functionality I think you're playing with fire. An outbound firewall doesn't offer any first-line defense: it only protects you if you have already done something stupid. So what you're saying: "I do stupid things and need outbound protection, and he's stupid for suggesting I don't" ? Steve Please register my strong agreement. If you have a hardware firewall and it is configured correctly a software firewall is as useless as a second condom, and just about as convienent.
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Hickerx2God Bless The U.S. Military
join:2001-03-04
Franklinville, NY | reply to Steve
said by Steve: I don't think that's stupid at all - I don't run a software firewall of any kind either. An outbound firewall doesn't offer any first-line defense: it only protects you if you have already done something stupid. So what you're saying: "I do stupid things and need outbound protection, and he's stupid for suggesting I don't" ? Steve Very well put.
It's amazing that people read a few forums and think they know something
Outbound protection is virtually worthless for most home users. IMO, lots of people just like to look at logs and it makes them feel intelligent. Most AV SW will catch malicious outbound traffic anyway.
Add that to the major potential issues that FW SW causes, and you have a recipe for Laporte's recommendation. |
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| Most home users should not have internet at all 
Nevermind if you buy them a router/antivirus/spyware removal they still love to sign up for every newsletter in world, download every screen saver, click every flashing "you won a free prize" button. lol Go to any link they can press basically. |
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SteveI know your IP addressConsultant
join:2001-03-10
Yorba Linda, CA
kudos:5 | said by markopoleo:Most home users should not have internet at all Best answer ever in this forum
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KeizerI'M Your HuckleberryPremium,MVM
join:2003-01-20
1 edit | said by Steve:said by markopoleo:Most home users should not have internet at all Best answer ever in this forum That is laughable! That's like saying that people who don't know anything about auto mechanics, shouldn't own a car. Get off your high horse, everyone should be able to enjoy the internet. Its the online criminals that should not have access. You are not going to stop either type from being here.
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davePremium,MVM
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| said by Keizer:That's like saying that people who don't know anything about auto mechanics, shouldn't own a car. Hurrah, it's "car analogy time". Anyone can play!
It's more like saying that people who don't know that, say, brakes need occasional maintenance shouldn't own a car.
You don't need to know the details (I sure as hell don't) but you do need to understand that a safety issue exists. |
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KeizerI'M Your HuckleberryPremium,MVM
join:2003-01-20 | said by dave:said by Keizer:That's like saying that people who don't know anything about auto mechanics, shouldn't own a car. Hurrah, it's "car analogy time". Anyone can play! It's more like saying that people who don't know that, say, brakes need occasional maintenance shouldn't own a car. You don't need to know the details (I sure as hell don't) but you do need to understand that a safety issue exists. And thus, you pay someone to fix your brakes. Just like ignorant PC owners will pay others to clean their system. Yes, their system will get infected again down the line, just like your brakes will also go bad again too.
This car analogy as you call it really works well! |
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SteveI know your IP addressConsultant
join:2001-03-10
Yorba Linda, CA
kudos:5 | reply to Keizer
said by Keizer: Get off your high horse, everyone should be able to enjoy the internet. Its the online criminals that should not have access. You are not going to stop either type from being here. Apparently I am also powerless over those with no sense of humor. |
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KeizerI'M Your HuckleberryPremium,MVM
join:2003-01-20 | said by Steve:said by Keizer: Get off your high horse, everyone should be able to enjoy the internet. Its the online criminals that should not have access. You are not going to stop either type from being here. Apparently I am also powerless over those with no sense of humor. I think most of us would have to think really hard to find humor in what you said.
Shallow humor at best. |
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SteveI know your IP addressConsultant
join:2001-03-10
Yorba Linda, CA
kudos:5 | said by Keizer:I think most of us would have to think really hard to find humor in what you said. Like I said: I can't keep those without a sense of humor out of this forum.
Oh well.
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KeizerI'M Your HuckleberryPremium,MVM
join:2003-01-20 | said by Steve:said by Keizer:I think most of us would have to think really hard to find humor in what you said. Like I said: I can't keep those without a sense of humor out of this forum. Oh well. You being here is proof of that! |
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 NewLifeJust Keep Swimming, Just Keep Swimming
join:2001-07-31
Calhoun, GA | reply to Steve
said by Steve:So what you're saying: "I do stupid things and need outbound protection, and he's stupid for suggesting I don't" Exactly Steve-o, but now really isn't that the main problem with the internet nowdays. Alot of people are stupid, so they click on this link and that link, they open this email or that email not knowing what it contains. Then it's everybody elses fault but there own. But hey, those stupid people are making alot of my business right now, and business is good.;)
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said by Hickerx2:IMO, lots of people just like to look at logs and it makes them feel intelligent. Most AV SW will catch malicious outbound traffic anyway. There is a term I've seen for these types that another user on this forum has in their posting tag...
"Security Ricers"
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