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BVT
join:2004-10-25
Mount Juliet, TN | NO more read the EULA BullSh-t What happens when you do not agree to the EULA? You cannot get your money back since it is opened software and still cannot play the game. You sure as hell shouldnt have to chalk it up to experience either.
The main problem here is not knowing what type of "unauthorized third-party programs" this thing is flagging. If you write your own programs and have one running, how is it to know it is authorized? How many millions of programs are out there? How does something become authorized?
In order for this Warden to work, there has to be a lot of communication between the client and server. If you did read the EULA, you are an idiot for agreeing to something that you cannot understand. Nowhere in the EULA will it completely spell out what Warden is doing and what it is looking for.
Plain ignorance. | |
|  FrohikePremium
join:2000-07-23
Waxahachie, TX
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1 edit | Re: NO more read the EULA BullSh-t Had you read the EULA when you first got the game and didn't agree to it, then you could return your game for a full refund within the first 30 days of purchase. That's the policy of Blizzard.
Just because you don't understand the EULA, doesn't mean NO ONE will, talk about generalization. | |
| |  ThalerPremium
join:2004-02-02
Los Angeles, CA
kudos:3
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| Re: NO more read the EULA BullSh-t Had you read the EULA when you first got the game and didn't agree to it, then you could return your game for a full refund within the first 30 days of purchase. That's the policy of Blizzard. That sounds good in theory, but in practice, it doesn't happen. I dare any of you to go to a Best Buy, purchase a game, read the EULA, and attempt to return the opened package "because you did not agree with the EULA". They will honestly laugh you out of the store.
Game companies themselves, are about as helpful. Explain to them that it's against the retail store/chain's policy to accept opened merchandice, and they will respond with "sucks to be you". Their EULA states that you are to return it to the point-of-purchase within 30 days...however, 99% of the time, no retailer will take back opened software.
So yeah. Read the EULA, and if you don't agree with it...you've just blown $50 down the hole on that game. | |
| | | FrohikePremium
join:2000-07-23
Waxahachie, TX
kudos:4 | Re: NO more read the EULA BullSh-t said by Thaler:Had you read the EULA when you first got the game and didn't agree to it, then you could return your game for a full refund within the first 30 days of purchase. That's the policy of Blizzard. That sounds good in theory, but in practice, it doesn't happen. I dare any of you to go to a Best Buy, purchase a game, read the EULA, and attempt to return the opened package "because you did not agree with the EULA". They will honestly laugh you out of the store. Game companies themselves, are about as helpful. Explain to them that it's against the retail store/chain's policy to accept opened merchandice, and they will respond with "sucks to be you". Their EULA states that you are to return it to the point-of-purchase within 30 days...however, 99% of the time, no retailer will take back opened software. So yeah. Read the EULA, and if you don't agree with it...you've just blown $50 down the hole on that game. I said it was Blizzard's policy, not Best Buy's or any other retail chain. You can return the game itself to Blizzard and they will give you a full refund. | |
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| BVT
join:2004-10-25
Mount Juliet, TN
1 edit | Unless you wrote the EULA, you will not completely understand it. It is a damn lie if you say otherwise. The general public will not read it anyways. | |
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 kalphearionIn nomine PatriPremium
join:2003-11-08
Broomfield, CO
1 edit | said by BVT:What happens when you do not agree to the EULA? You cannot get your money back since it is opened software and still cannot play the game. You sure as hell shouldnt have to chalk it up to experience either. The main problem here is not knowing what type of "unauthorized third-party programs" this thing is flagging. If you write your own programs and have one running, how is it to know it is authorized? How many millions of programs are out there? How does something become authorized? In order for this Warden to work, there has to be a lot of communication between the client and server. If you did read the EULA, you are an idiot for agreeing to something that you cannot understand. Nowhere in the EULA will it completely spell out what Warden is doing and what it is looking for. Plain ignorance. If you dont read any EULA or TOS and just hit accept, it does not allow you to a refund if you later find out something that you don't like(After 30 days or something). You open the package, you "skip" through the long EULA, and hit accept to quickly play/install and feel you have the right to come back and expect a refund or some sort of compensation? That is ignorance my friend. | |
| | BVT
join:2004-10-25
Mount Juliet, TN | Re: NO more read the EULA BullSh-t Hell yea you have a right to expect a full refund. If you can sue for spilling "HOT" coffee on yourself or for getting fat from eating McDs all the time, you have a right to get a refund. At any time. At the original price.
The EULA does not completely explain in detail what WARDEN is doing. Only general terms are used. You do not know, with 100% assurity, what you accepted.
I assume that when you have a vehicle worked on, when you get the bill it just says "Fixed some stuff." That is general. You pay it and go on your merry way. You are happy that the $600 dollars you spent today will keep your car running well into the future. The mechanic is happy you are willing to pay that much for a tire rotation. That is ignorance and there are now consumer protection laws designed to keep that from happening.
Wanting to know exactly what a program is doing, that I paid for, is not ignorance.
BTW, all this is theoretical, I do not have the game. I just hate the shrink wrap licenses. | |
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 JoeOnSunsetDoublethink Is Doubleplus Ungood.Premium
join:2002-11-25
Ormond Beach, FL
1 edit | This isn't about whether the people who agreed have any legal recourse. I'm sure they don't. It's about whether the company is doing the right thing by asking its customers to agree to something like this in the first place.
From the EFF article...
Without some constraints on what a company can hide within these massive legal tomes, more and more companies will learn that they can invade our electronic privacy for any reason they wish—as long as they disclose it somewhere in the fine print. The cost of such a practice over time is not only access to our personal and private information but also control over our personal computers and devices. Consider this, do you really want Microsoft to learn from Blizzard's behavior? | |
| |  DaDogsSemper VigilantisPremium
join:2004-02-28
Deltaville, VA | Re: NO more read the EULA BullSh-t said by JoeOnSunset:This isn't about whether the people who agreed have any legal recourse. I'm sure they don't. It's about whether the company is doing the right thing by asking its customers to agree to something like this in the first place. From the EFF article... Without some constraints on what a company can hide within these massive legal tomes, more and more companies will learn that they can invade our electronic privacy for any reason they wish—as long as they disclose it somewhere in the fine print. The cost of such a practice over time is not only access to our personal and private information but also control over our personal computers and devices. Consider this, do you really want Microsoft to learn from Blizzard's behavior? I think you need to realize that Microsoft long ago figured this out.
The problem is that we live in a society where punks and assholes are so plentiful that we need "anti-cheat" software in a freakin' FPS computer game. The problem is NOT that the people who then try to develope "anti-cheat" software choose to scan your system to see if you are cheating.
Microsoft is a completely different issue.
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| | | JoeOnSunsetDoublethink Is Doubleplus Ungood.Premium
join:2002-11-25
Ormond Beach, FL | Re: NO more read the EULA BullSh-t No, it's really not a different issue. Blizzard is a small company engaging in invasive tactics. If a big company did the same, people would be more upset. So far, Microsoft isn't doing this kind of thing.
Ah, but guess who is now? Sony. | |
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