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Re: Leo Laport says software firewall not needed! Leo is a JACKA$$$
Plain and simple, really. He need not to worry on his apple
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1 edit | You can't touch or see radio waves but you can hear them. Just Googled and found this reference to his radio show:
»NO outgoing traffic protection
Transcript: »www.grc.com/sn/SN-003.pdf
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I've Never heard of someone using a software firewall if they have a router. Really no reason to, all the new routers have everything you want. My $50 Netgear router/switch passes all online security checks /shrug. |
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2 edits | said by markopoleo:I've Never heard of someone using a software firewall if they have a router. Really no reason to, all the new routers have everything you want. My $50 Netgear router/switch passes all online security checks /shrug. You must be in the lala-land if you never heard of people who use NAT/Proxies/Routers and don't run software firewall. If I do make a poll for that right now. (Router with software firewall and without) I can see the result in my mind already. And if you use online security checks then it is some what misleading because online security checks only scan your router for any open ports, but nothing else. |
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 AnavSarcastic Llama? Naw, Just AcerbicPremium
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said by markopoleo:I've Never heard of someone using a software firewall if they have a router. Really no reason to, all the new routers have everything you want. My $50 Netgear router/switch passes all online security checks /shrug. Ignorance is bliss eh marko...
The plain fact is that most routers are not setup to block all outbound and specific rules to let only certain things reach the net, even for the so called high falutin experts ppl seem to think they are in this forum - how many actually have a secure router setup.
Concur with the poster(s) who pointed out that the danger of some AIRHEAD giving generic info to the masses is real. Most of the peeps here do not have kids using the computer or older less geeky parents/grandparents etc, or family visiting where the computer is attacked by all ages. In other words crap will find its way into your computer. It takes OH SO little time for johnny to attach his USB key to your puter and download some songs etc....and whatever else...
Thus, the question posed is being answered by a views with blinders on..... "typical security forum poster - Im gods gift to secure use of the computer and Ive never been hit, so this guy is bang on" Just glad you really don't have any responsibility for real people outside your computer room (probably stuck in there for days on end!  Not Stewpid, just narrow-minded.
But I digress in an ill-disguised attempt to ruffle feathers and cause angst among forum regulars... as flatulating foul-mouthed Llama's are want to do.
Back to my amigo El Marko, If there is spyware/malware or a trojan on your PC, behind the holy grail $50 netgear and that persnickity evil entity decides to phone home, guess what. The holy grail will be asleep on the job...... it will glady and willingly aid and abet such an evil entity to phone home. Even better, after passing such vaulted security checks, the router will then turn around and most freely allow the return traffic from the mOTHER SHip of all evil, to reach through the router and grab your pc by the gonads.........
One astute poster pointed out that laptops being portable are often connected in all kinds of location so a SW firewall is a smart move. Many times I hear about ppl, testing for whatever reason their connection to the MODEM DIRECTLY due to some issue with the router and they just want to check..... without a SW firewall they can be hosed in no time at all. (or dialup for that matter).
I could bore you with how the SW firewall will help ensure that only authorized apps are permitted through holes in the armour created by port forwarding or the snoozing factor that only SW firewalls are application specific while the router is strictly ports, protocols and IP addresses.....
Layered defense is a smart strategy in any conflict. A Nat router is designed to share the net and create a network, the fact that it stops all inbound scanning is a bonus. For security stick to security designed packages.
For me core items are the SW firewall and an up2date AV.
With those two, I can function with or without a router.
I appreciate what a router adds to the mix, but its not a replacment just an addition to it.
my two cents
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I think people who run a software firewall in addition to a NAT router plus multiple AV's, multiple Spyware programs are simply paranoid and would be better off with AOL... Bob
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| said by bobinutah:I think people who run a software firewall in addition to a NAT router plus multiple AV's, multiple Spyware programs are simply paranoid and would be better off with AOL... Bob Haha, it is the truth, and we now a day can't live without paranoid Well I only got have a nat router and NIS on mine |
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Thanks for the transcript link.
If there's one person on the net I respect, it's Steve Gibson, to me, it gives Leo more credit.
Personally, I'll still run ZA on my PC's, mostly because other people (friends/family) use them. And yes, I have a NAT router as well (who doesn't???) |
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said by Anav:said by markopoleo:I've Never heard of someone using a software firewall if they have a router. Really no reason to, all the new routers have everything you want. My $50 Netgear router/switch passes all online security checks /shrug. Ignorance is bliss eh marko... The plain fact is that most routers are not setup to block all outbound and specific rules to let only certain things reach the net, even for the so called high falutin experts ppl seem to think they are in this forum - how many actually have a secure router setup. Concur with the poster(s) who pointed out that the danger of some AIRHEAD giving generic info to the masses is real. Most of the peeps here do not have kids using the computer or older less geeky parents/grandparents etc, or family visiting where the computer is attacked by all ages. In other words crap will find its way into your computer. It takes OH SO little time for johnny to attach his USB key to your puter and download some songs etc....and whatever else... Thus, the question posed is being answered by a views with blinders on..... "typical security forum poster - Im gods gift to secure use of the computer and Ive never been hit, so this guy is bang on" Just glad you really don't have any responsibility for real people outside your computer room (probably stuck in there for days on end! Not Stewpid, just narrow-minded. But I digress in an ill-disguised attempt to ruffle feathers and cause angst among forum regulars... as flatulating foul-mouthed Llama's are want to do. Back to my amigo El Marko, If there is spyware/malware or a trojan on your PC, behind the holy grail $50 netgear and that persnickity evil entity decides to phone home, guess what. The holy grail will be asleep on the job...... it will glady and willingly aid and abet such an evil entity to phone home. Even better, after passing such vaulted security checks, the router will then turn around and most freely allow the return traffic from the mOTHER SHip of all evil, to reach through the router and grab your pc by the gonads......... One astute poster pointed out that laptops being portable are often connected in all kinds of location so a SW firewall is a smart move. Many times I hear about ppl, testing for whatever reason their connection to the MODEM DIRECTLY due to some issue with the router and they just want to check..... without a SW firewall they can be hosed in no time at all. (or dialup for that matter). I could bore you with how the SW firewall will help ensure that only authorized apps are permitted through holes in the armour created by port forwarding or the snoozing factor that only SW firewalls are application specific while the router is strictly ports, protocols and IP addresses..... Layered defense is a smart strategy in any conflict. A Nat router is designed to share the net and create a network, the fact that it stops all inbound scanning is a bonus. For security stick to security designed packages. For me core items are the SW firewall and an up2date AV. With those two, I can function with or without a router. I appreciate what a router adds to the mix, but its not a replacment just an addition to it. my two cents ANAV MVL NOT ME!!! Of course if I were paranoid, I'd have both a router and a software firewall. Of course my linux OS I boot to has a firewall setup but not my windows, I like asking for trouble. :P |
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For Everyone To Read FYI IF u run TWO AV programs at the same time it will CRASH N BURN your system, doesn't mean u can't have two installed which I do recommend along with a router and something like ADAWARE and SPYBOT SEARCH & DESTROY. Oh and one more thing Use IE as little as possible, IE fans are just that fans who follow the rest of the sheep, they convince themselves it's okay to use it for critical tasks. To be honest how secure a computer is depends YOU, computer security is as fallible as the human component behind it. Humans do lots of dumb things, it's not an excuse but it happens.
As for the software firewall and the windows firewall, that depends on whether u know what your doing and have something to hide. I call this PARANOIA Too |
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