Good OE Spam Filter? in Security http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r14712059 en Wed, 02 Dec 2009 09:05:15 EDT Wed, 02 Dec 2009 09:05:15 EDT Re: Good OE Spam Filter? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15269097 anon : I've used both K9 and Popfile. My personal findings?

Popfile is more accurate than K9, period. It'll filter out adds & the most arcane spam that K9 just won't find. This is, in all due respect, likely because Robin Keir hasn't updated the (free) K9 program since April/04, and Popfile does upgrade periodically.

K9 has a nicer interface, & it's much easier to go back in time to look at old emails. This gets cumbersome (slow, in other words) once you have several thousand emails in your system, however. Another benefit of K9 is you can set it up to check your mail server WITHOUT downloading the email, & delete offending spam before it's brought to your email client. A good option, but this gets you back to 100% mail inspection, which is why you wanted an antispam program in the first place.

MAJOR DRAWBACK TO POPFILE:

I am speaking from my own personal experience, here: I found when I ran Popfile in the system tray, it tended to lock up my system, requiring a manual reset. Big pain in the @ss, unfortunately. As of this post, I note Popfile has released a new version that might clear this up, however. I've downloaded it and am trying again (fingers crossed!). Again, on first blush, Popfile nailed some spam that breezed through K9, no questions asked.

Again, the above is a personal issue and may be due to conflicts on my own setup. I have read others have had this problem in the past, though, so we'll see if the new version of PF clears up the problem. Oh yeah, and less-experienced users might be intimidated by the Popfile setup. It's pretty straightforward, however, and there's likely PF user groups of FAQs to help a stumped user.

Good luck!

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(email is above username at the Google webmail service)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15269097 Tue, 17 Jan 2006 23:33:24 EDT Re: Good OE Spam Filter? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15230050 thedip : Glad I could help :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15230050 Thu, 12 Jan 2006 14:39:08 EDT Re: Good OE Spam Filter? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15227010 Babar : Thanks again for the suggestion of Spamihilator - it's working quite well on my wife's machine. The optional plug-ins are great, and have solved all her problems. Good find!

»www.spamihilator.com/download/index.php
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said by thedip See Profile :

When a friend of mine needed an easy-to-use solution for spam filtering for OE, I found Spamihilator ( »www.spamihilator.com/download/index.php ). It seems to work fairly well, and easy to set up. Also free.
That one looks very promising! The author has a plug-in for the embedded gif problem. Will check it out later this week.

Thanks!
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"Geez, I'm goin' crazy out there at the lake." ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15206136 Mon, 09 Jan 2006 14:34:44 EDT Re: Good OE Spam Filter? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15205511 jpc1989 :
said by atangel See Profile :

Challenge-response programs like Mail-blcokcan be really really tiresome.

For me, Mailwasher works great. Especially once you get it up to speed. K9 would also be a choice.
What gets really tiresome is having to deal with junk email. With the system from »www.mail-block.com, which I use the only person that gets annoyed is the person trying to send me spam. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15205511 Mon, 09 Jan 2006 13:06:42 EDT Re: Good OE Spam Filter? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15204151 thedip : When a friend of mine needed an easy-to-use solution for spam filtering for OE, I found Spamihilator ( »www.spamihilator.com/download/index.php ). It seems to work fairly well, and easy to set up. Also free.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15204151 Mon, 09 Jan 2006 09:02:54 EDT Re: Good OE Spam Filter? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15200727 ken_92030 :
said by Babar See Profile :

Can anyone recommend a good (and preferably free) spam filter for Outlook Express?
TIA!
I've found using OE message rules and block senders lists does a pretty good job for me. It's intuitive and easy to learn.
I've heard POPfiles is pretty good. Thunderbird didn't empress me but that was a couple of years ago. I wouldn't recommend MailBlocks, I gave it a shot for a few months and then using it.

Good luck which ever way you go.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15200727 Sun, 08 Jan 2006 18:41:28 EDT Re: Good OE Spam Filter? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15198998 Stem Bolt :
said by mongol See Profile :

I just use Pop Peeper. I can look at whats on the server, view the headers or even look at the message. If its spam I can then delete it right there without wasting time downloading it . It comes with skins to make it pretty and a few plugins..:)
I use Pop Peeper to do this also. Works out great. Although I have all my e-mail fetched and filtered through my main POP account that scans for viruses and spam, a few pieces of spam manage to get through once in awhile. This where Pop Peeper comes in handy. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15198998 Sun, 08 Jan 2006 14:04:14 EDT Re: Good OE Spam Filter? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15198885 mongol : I just use Pop Peeper. I can look at whats on the server, view the headers or even look at the message. If its spam I can then delete it right there without wasting time downloading it . It comes with skins to make it pretty and a few plugins..:)
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I'm sure glad I get so little spam. I changed my main address months ago and made it dictionary proof and since then I have gotten no spam at all in it. The only one I get spam in is the one from this site, but only a very small amount.
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said by Mele20 See Profile :

I would have to ask them if they get embedded gifs spam. I don't even know exactly what that is...
Here's an example. The actual spam is a gif image. The extra text is an attempt to get by Bayesian filters. The from and to addresses are both spoofed.

This is from my client - Thunderbird, which I have succesfully filtered to catch about 90% of the crap. Can't do it w/ OE... :(
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Well, here are other opinions on them:

»Mail-Block

For me, Mailwasher works great. Especially once you get it up to speed. K9 would also be a choice.
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said by Mele20 See Profile :

Why didn't you get Popfile? It is free and the orginal Baysian filter.
95% of the spam on my wife's Comcast account is of the image variety - the message is an embedded gif. My understanding is that a Bayesian filter is ineffective in this case.
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"Geez, I'm goin' crazy out there at the lake." ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15193280 Sat, 07 Jan 2006 15:36:32 EDT Re: Good OE Spam Filter? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15183204 Mele20 : Why didn't you get Popfile? It is free and the orginal Baysian filter. If you want to buy an anti-spam filter than I would suggest purchasing Bit Defender Pro which is one of the top 3 AV and it has an excellent Baysian filter built into its email module.
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integrating those 2 together, I have seen virtually zero spam in my mailbox. K9 identifies it and poptray deletes it. Only thing that comes to my inbox is legitimate mail that I WANT to see. If any legitimate email is wrongly tagged as spam, you just periodically open k9 (which stores the emails for a specified time, by you, scan and if a legit email is there, mark it as good. Next time K9 will allow it to pass as good.
Nothing better then those 2 FREE softwares working together.
If anyone needs help setting them up, I'll gladly lend a hand.
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I'm currently using the antispam feature in ZASS ( ZoneAlarm Security Suite ) this is powered by MailFrontier. I'm very pleased with how it works.
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That said, I did love K9 and would recommend it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14749119 Mon, 07 Nov 2005 03:40:17 EDT Re: Good OE Spam Filter? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14748973 sivran : I think popfile may be more than what the OP is after. :) K9 is pretty much dead simple and seems to "just work"]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14748973 Mon, 07 Nov 2005 02:43:19 EDT Re: Good OE Spam Filter? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14745717 jimkyle : I installed POPFile on my wife's machine. It requires some training, at first, to help it identify what you consider to be spam, but after that initial period it just works silently and in the background.

I configured it to modify the header of any message that it identifies as spam, and then created a filter in OE to put any message with the modified header into the Deleted mailbox. Jo manually inspects the deleted mailbox every day, just to be certain nothing is misidentified, and if she finds a message there that should not have been deleted, she calls me to come fix things up!

POPFile includes a whitelist capability (which it calls a magnet) and I've created magnets for her regular correspondents (our sons and a couple of ex-co-workers) but from time to time a valid message does get trapped out.

You can find it at »popfile.sourceforge.net/ and it's completely free...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14745717 Sun, 06 Nov 2005 16:53:47 EDT Re: Good OE Spam Filter? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14745596 FL Programer : I just started using Mail-Block and it is working for me, I plan on showing it to our people at work]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14745596 Sun, 06 Nov 2005 16:29:11 EDT Re: Good OE Spam Filter? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14719652 mongol : Just use Pop-Peeper and save yourself the hassles of spam filtering. Check your mail on the server before downloading and delete the junk ahead of time. Check it out at:www.poppeeper.com
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»popfile.sourceforge.net/

Edited to say that a friend, who is the webmaster of the most popular website for modems, told me some time ago that Popfile can be trained to be 99.5% accurate as he trained it on the hundreds of emails he gets from readers of his site. I know others who use it and nothing equals it in accuracy.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14718863 Wed, 02 Nov 2005 20:15:24 EDT Re: Good OE Spam Filter? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14717215 MrBradTX : I cannot recommend Norton Anti-Spam. In my experience, it misses most obvious spam, tags but doesn't quarrantine the spam it does detect, and its false positives have outnumbered its legitimate detections and quarrantines.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14717215 Wed, 02 Nov 2005 16:30:31 EDT Re: Good OE Spam Filter? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14717176 Babar : Thanks to all. I will give K9 a try, then check out SpamPal on her machine.
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Cudni]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14715001 Wed, 02 Nov 2005 11:54:12 EDT Re: Good OE Spam Filter? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14714996 EGeezer : Link for Robin Keir's K9 at »www.keir.net/k9.html ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14714996 Wed, 02 Nov 2005 11:53:21 EDT Re: Good OE Spam Filter? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14714932 alien8 : SpamPal can be found here (stable):
»www.spampal.org/download.html

Beta with *easy setup* transparent proxy (beta):
»www.spampal.org/beta.html

Very latest documentation:
»spampal.sanesecurity.com/manual_eng/

Cheers,

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Tim]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14714906 Wed, 02 Nov 2005 11:40:43 EDT Re: Good OE Spam Filter? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14714753 Birds : SPAMPal might be worth a look.

It uses white and black lists as well as DNSBL lookups (DNSBL lookups block messages originating from domain names known for SPAMs).

There are also various plug-ins that provide more functionality such as converting HTML based e-mails to plain text, checking HTTP addresses in e-mails, etc.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14714753 Wed, 02 Nov 2005 11:17:53 EDT Re: Good OE Spam Filter? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14714056 Jacobc : Yes check out www.mail-block.com This is more then a filter, it's a robust service that will allow you to keep existing email accounts and stop all of the SPAM from coming into your email client. Additionally it is a email service so you have the option of checking your email when you are away from you home computer and there is "no spam".]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14714056 Wed, 02 Nov 2005 09:33:24 EDT Re: Good OE Spam Filter? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14712110 Maarvin : Check out:»www.mail-block.com

-Mike]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14712110 Tue, 01 Nov 2005 22:55:23 EDT Re: Good OE Spam Filter? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14712105 sivran : You could set up K9 for her. It supports auto-config for OE and seems quite good at spam-catching. I use it with Pegasus mail.
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My wife doesn't want to learn a new mail client (in spite of my urging) so I'd like to try out one or two that you experts recommend.

TIA!
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