[General] Some Wilma Shots in AT&T Southeast

[General] Some Wilma Shots in AT&T Southeast http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r14744388 en Tue, 08 Dec 2009 19:55:27 EDT Tue, 08 Dec 2009 19:55:27 EDT Re: [General] Some Wilma Shots http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14813119 anon : Andrew had a very small radius of maximum winds. Sure, it was a cat 5, but if you were just a little outside of the worst of the eyewall, you got a cat 4, 3, 2, or 1 - maybe even a tropical storm.

Wilma, on the other hand, had a very large radius of maximum winds bringing category 2 (that's gusts well over 100 mph) to a large area.

Also, a lot of damage "from wind alone" could actually have been assisted by large windblown debris.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14813119 Tue, 15 Nov 2005 19:29:02 EDT Re: [General] Some Wilma Shots http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14812900 Splitpair :

said by Splitpair

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From the trenches.

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Oops.






Power vs pole

Power vs tree


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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14812900 Tue, 15 Nov 2005 19:01:02 EDT Re: [General] Some Wilma Shots http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14787280 Zoder : Thanks. That's what I thought but I wanted to make sure. It confirms why the Comcast cable is still out on my street.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14787280 Sat, 12 Nov 2005 00:02:42 EDT Re: [General] Some Wilma Shots http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14787236 RJ44 :

said by Zoder

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So the line at his feet is the cable tv and the line below that is telephone?

Yep. Phone guys have it easy :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14787236 Fri, 11 Nov 2005 23:51:33 EDT Re: [General] Some Wilma Shots http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14786907 Zoder : So the line at his feet is the cable tv and the line below that is telephone?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14786907 Fri, 11 Nov 2005 22:53:03 EDT Re: [General] Some Wilma Shots http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14786876 RJ44 :

said by Splitpair

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From the trenches.

Nice pics. That first one, the great place to work, reminds me an awful lot of the backyards in Hialeah although I know it's not. Same fences and sheds though :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14786876 Fri, 11 Nov 2005 22:47:08 EDT Re: [General] Some Wilma Shots http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14786748 SuperSync : Seeing that fellow on climbers above the CATV strand makes me glad I get to stop at the telco strand. :)

I could never climb around all that stuff, there would be gaff marks in all the cables and buried drops and power dips going down the pole; power lineman make it look so effortless, although I have seen some cables damaged from misplaced gaffs.

Keep up the cool pictures from the south end of BST turf.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14786748 Fri, 11 Nov 2005 22:26:19 EDT Re: [General] Some Wilma Shots http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14786014 Splitpair :

said by Splitpair

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From the trenches.

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Great place to work.
FP&L lineman inspecting a re-replaced by him neutral
This office almost received the no-bell award.

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14786014 Fri, 11 Nov 2005 20:30:20 EDT Re: [General] Some Wilma Shots http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14771696 anon : Here is my Hurricane Wilma picture. :)

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14771696 Wed, 09 Nov 2005 22:29:07 EDT Re: [General] Some Wilma Shots http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14770339 Splitpair :

said by Rob

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So then if you have to do service work on the line, do you have to call FPL out there just incase something goes wrong?

No you follow a laundry list of safety and inspection practices with the thought in the back of your mind that missing or over looking any one of them could be deadly.

I love working outside it is a great job but it is a job that requires you to be aware of what is above below and around you at all times as we are sometimes inches from power and an even more dangerous factor the road. ;-)

Wayne
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said by Splitpair

said by Rob

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Kinda of OT but, in the areas that BellSouth has their lines above ground, do they use the same poles with FPL?

Yes.

Wayne

So then if you have to do service work on the line, do you have to call FPL out there just incase something goes wrong?
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said by Rob

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Kinda of OT but, in the areas that BellSouth has their lines above ground, do they use the same poles with FPL?

Yes.

Wayne
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said by Splitpair

said by ackman

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Um, "Hurricane"... nuff said.

Kinda of OT but, in the areas that BellSouth has their lines above ground, do they use the same poles with FPL?
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said by ackman

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Um, "Hurricane"... nuff said.

Na I was involved in Andrew and the damage was what one would expect from that intense of a storm. With Wilma the damage was IMHO way beyond what should have happened. In my area many poles failed as does our power in 40 mph winds way before the storm was actually here.

Wayne
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said by Rob

said by ackman

said by Rob

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FPL's failure to properly maintain their wood poles have caused many residents to be without power. I hope they get slammed with some hefty fees.

Andrew: Cat5
Wilma: Cat1-2

Nuff said.

Um, "Hurricane"... nuff said.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14768647 Wed, 09 Nov 2005 15:58:27 EDT Re: [General] Some Wilma Shots http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14767528 Rob :

said by ackman

said by Rob

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FPL's failure to properly maintain their wood poles have caused many residents to be without power. I hope they get slammed with some hefty fees.

Andrew: Cat5
Wilma: Cat1-2

Nuff said.
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RR.CX My Blog.. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14767528 Wed, 09 Nov 2005 13:10:49 EDT Re: [General] Some Wilma Shots http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14767499 Zoder : Andrew was a Cat 5 in South Dade. They are saying Wilma's sustained winds barely hit Cat 2. That's a huge difference. The poles are supposed to be able to withstand 118+ sustained winds according to FP&L.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14767499 Wed, 09 Nov 2005 13:06:46 EDT Re: [General] Some Wilma Shots http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14767411 ackman :

said by Rob

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FPL's failure to properly maintain their wood poles have caused many residents to be without power. I hope they get slammed with some hefty fees.

That's the most ridiculous and uninformed statement I've ever read. I experienced Hurricane Andrew back in 1992, and all of our healthy and good condition power poles snapped like toothpicks in my neighborhood's back yards with the winds that hit us in Cutler Ridge, just north of Homestead. Bear in mind that the wires being held up by these poles are extremely heavy, so there's not much chance that they would stand up too long under a 100mph wind onslaught. I have to give props to the boys from Georgia Power, who came down to help with reconstruction. They had our new poles up and electricity turned on just 3 weeks after the storm. It was absolutely amazing and we were grateful for their efforts.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14767411 Wed, 09 Nov 2005 12:56:26 EDT Re: [General] Some Wilma Shots http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14767300 lordfly : I partially believe the old pole theory, but I saw plenty of new poles snapped. I had a 30 foot palm tree that snapped in half. Remember that the wind speed increases the higher you go up. What we saw at ground level is not what the poles saw.

I am 50/50 when it comes to burying utility lines. The big issue there is floods/excessive rain, which happens a lot down here in S. Florida.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14767300 Wed, 09 Nov 2005 12:41:06 EDT Re: [General] Some Wilma Shots http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14765093 FLECOM : man if you want to talk about light shows with power lines, during wilma about 3 miles of the 500kv lines that brings power from port st lucy to the rest of south florida got hit by a tornado... thats what took out all of dade county at around 6~6:30am that monday morning...

of course all of bellsouth's T1's died shortly after and everyone was having hissyfits at the EOC because of it...

especially the fire department guys since they do all their rip-and-runs (dispatches) over their T1's and their radio system is linked via T1's... every time a T1 would cycle their crappy motorola voters would freak out and they would have multiple sites transmitting at the same time which makes horrible intermod and sounds terrible to boot

oh boy much angry phone calls to bellsouth too cause of all these RT's lead to the "sorry there is no commercial power in that area" response, and these are to fire stations?!

well that takes away one of the VoIP is less reliable in case of an emergency excuse... as long as my RT had power i had dsl... when i lost phone, i lost dsl :(

although cable is just a joke, i had just gotten it back a few days earlier from katrina :mad:

also for whoever said that FPL corporate should do something about it...

FPL is the STRANGEST company ever... FPL corporate has very little to do with FPL distribution, which has little to do with FPL generation... the company is very segmented... and in response the constant threat of de-regulation for the past 15 years they have a $0/yr preventitive maintenance budget...

but then again most utilities are like this... i just panic when i see people stacking debries next to cross connects and RT's... i can just see the bulldozer coming to clear it all out and taking the crossconnect/rt with it, which ive seen happen! :o

also bellsouth got a few generators stolen down in south dade which isnt very cool imho but whatever there are crappy people in the world

although FPL has been pretty quick about restoring power, i agree with everyone that a lot of the outages could have been prevented... but thats for later review...

bellsouth came out pretty good also, hopefully all these hurricanes will just encourage more underground utilities...

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I couldn't stomach working in St. Bernard after Katrina. The smell was just too awful in some places. The dust and such burned up my sinuses.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14763083 Tue, 08 Nov 2005 20:58:58 EDT Re: [General] Some Wilma Shots http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14762515 TipRing2 : I also have some pics from Katrina. All are from around my parent's house in St. Bernard parish. They had 10 ft. of water in the house. The kitchen chairs floated up and got tangled up in the light fixture.

I remember back in my "rookie" days I was replacing a drop from a pole in someone's back yard. I was on my hooks and ready to cut the old drop. I thought the pole was leaning toward the house. It turns out the the drop was pulling the pole towards the house. When I cut it I went on the wildest ride of my life. It went from a 7 to 10 degree lean towards the house to a 7 - 10 degree lean away from the house. The only reason it didn't go all the way down was the power drop.

Car on roof
Cell site
Kitchen

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14762515 Tue, 08 Nov 2005 19:41:35 EDT Re: [General] Some Wilma Shots http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14760410 RJ44 :

said by LightSpan

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Before i used to climb i would take my long straight blade screw and jab the pole below ground level,and if it went all the way down to the handle thats bad,but i use to climb it anyway cause you couldnt get a ladder to it,or a bucket truck.

::shaking my head:: Bad move, very bad. I always took the safety motto very literally, ain't nothing getting me up a rotten pole on hooks, sorry. There's always some other way to get the job done that doesn't involve you ending up in the ER. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14760410 Tue, 08 Nov 2005 14:54:24 EDT Re: [General] Some Wilma Shots http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14759640 LightSpan : I have seen it first hand,all the poles i used to have to climb(one of the few who did:D).Shell rot was terrible on most of the poles.Most of the pole's look okay but are rotten below the ground,as in the pics Splitpair showed.Before i used to climb i would take my long straight blade screw and jab the pole below ground level,and if it went all the way down to the handle thats bad,but i use to climb it anyway cause you couldnt get a ladder to it,or a bucket truck.Remember those days in the ranches Wanye:D.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14759640 Tue, 08 Nov 2005 12:57:31 EDT Re: [General] Some Wilma Shots http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14759638 Zoder :

said by mikes60

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By the way, here's the one from a woman:»www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/···eadlines

Forget the woman. What about the other person in that article who said that a tree has been growing out of a pole and they've been reporting it for 3 years? Or the contractors FP&L hired to remove the downed polls that said they were some of the most rotten polls they have ever seen? There were several more examples, but you get the point. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14759638 Tue, 08 Nov 2005 12:56:55 EDT Re: [General] Some Wilma Shots http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14759406 normat : Up here I've noticed most of the polls that came down were north/south runs. I was thinking the added force across the lines helped bring them down.
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Did anyone else read the Miami Herald today? There was a front page article about FPL seeking a 16% fuel charge increase. »www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/13107471.htm

It sounds like the PSC chairman is in FPLs pocket.

quote:
Technically, the fuel-increase surcharge is not a ''rate increase'' -- a point that PSC Chairman Braulio Baez emphasized Monday, saying that the improper use of rate-related terms is a ''pet peeve'' of his. Baez helped lead the charge in July to tack a $1.68 monthly surcharge on FPL customers' bills to help pay for storm damage last year. That charge, to last through February 2008, includes $34 million to reimburse FPL for ''lost revenue'' -- money it lost out on because it wasn't providing electricity to blacked-out homes after storms.

What the h**l is that? Maybe if corporate paid to keep their plant in better condition customers wouldn't have been without power for so long.

quote:
The group is also protesting FPL's decision to use $25 million in fuel-recovery money to repair steam-generator pipes for one of its nuclear generators in Port St. Lucie.

''It doesn't make sense. What they're basically asking for is a tune-up, and they're claiming it should be paid with gas money,'' Twomey said. ``They should pay this out of their base rates, not take even more from the consumer's pockets. People are paying enough already.''

FPL's Swank said the pipe-fixing expense is fuel-related because, if left unfixed, the nuclear plant will become less efficient, forcing the company to buy more power on the open market.

This goes along with their philosophy of plant maintenance. Why have the repair cut into our profits when we can get the PSC to add a surcharge to customers?

quote:
Baez said he wasn't sure if the PSC would consider another such fee, pegged to Hurricane Wilma's damage. ''I don't know what to foresee,'' he said.

How much do we want to bet there will be?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14758330 Tue, 08 Nov 2005 09:40:03 EDT Re: [General] Some Wilma Shots http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14754499 joako : All I know is that the only time in the past few years that my phone service has gone down was about 3 years ago when a crew dug up a wire. Bellsouth fixed it within a few hours the same day.

Every time a hurricane passes through here we are wtihout power. Between coral way and bird road east of SW 57 ave there is a massive power problem, their power goes out even with a heavy thunderstorm, our power isnt as bad because they restore it quickly, only because the same mains feeds a hospital.
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said by Splitpair

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From the trenches.

Nice, wayne. I bet they gave you about 2 hours of tech time to fix it, eh? I knew those untangling skills would come in handy when I grew up!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14751340 Mon, 07 Nov 2005 13:00:39 EDT Re: Poles 101 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14746319 bogey780 : I have a picture of what's left of a CO out in Lake Catherine, La. It's completely gone except for the support beams.

I have some pics of the storm damage in the New Orleans area but haven't gotten around to uploading them.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14746319 Sun, 06 Nov 2005 18:49:22 EDT Poles 101 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14745127 Splitpair : Todays lesson.

A failed defective pole that was supporting a transformer.
How a good pole should fail when over stressed.
More like a tornado than a hurricane

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14745127 Sun, 06 Nov 2005 15:06:53 EDT Re: [General] Some Wilma Shots http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14745118 lazsheriff : I first hand believe FPL has not inspected their wooden poles. My neighborhood is filled with old rotten wooden poles that always get knocked down and not necessarily in the strongest of winds.

A couple of tropical storms ago a wooden pole on my lawn fell onto my driveway, not during the winds but about 4 days later causing my block to go without power for 2 days and me without power for about 2 weeks. The replacement pole looks it was picked up on the street on the way here.

I agree that politicians and newspapers aren't always credible but CEO's aren't any better.
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said by mikes60

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And I'm sure you have all the proper documentation of their failure.

No but I have seen it.

The picture of a concrete pole broken in half shows how powerful the winds actually were.

Not when it was pulled over by a defective wood pole supporting a transformer bank.

This is the base of a failed pole that was supporting 235 Kv transmission lines. Nice eh?

Wayne
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14745023 Sun, 06 Nov 2005 14:47:59 EDT Re: [General] Some Wilma Shots http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14744989 Rob :

said by mikes60

said by Rob

said by mikes60

said by Rob

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FPL's failure to properly maintain their wood poles have caused many residents to be without power. I hope they get slammed with some hefty fees.

Well not a woman. But a man...

»www.sun-sentinel.com/news/column···news-col

If it's true, then my comment stands.

Whether I said "if it's true" or not, means nothing.
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said by Rob

said by mikes60

said by Rob

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FPL's failure to properly maintain their wood poles have caused many residents to be without power. I hope they get slammed with some hefty fees.

Well not a woman. But a man...

»www.sun-sentinel.com/news/column···news-col

If it's true, then my comment stands.

In your original comment, you failed to say, "if it's true"

I have one personal rule- never assume newspaper columnists and politicians are telling the story accurately. One has to sell papers, the other has to get re-elected.

Not exactly the best reason for unbiased comments.

By the way, here's the one from a woman:»www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/···eadlines
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said by mikes60

said by Rob

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FPL's failure to properly maintain their wood poles have caused many residents to be without power. I hope they get slammed with some hefty fees.

Well not a woman. But a man...

»www.sun-sentinel.com/news/column···news-col

If it's true, then my comment stands.
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said by Rob

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FPL's failure to properly maintain their wood poles have caused many residents to be without power. I hope they get slammed with some hefty fees.

And I'm sure you have all the proper documentation of their failure.

Besides what one woman "claimed" in a Sun-Sentinal article I aw today.

The picture of a concrete pole broken in half shows how powerful the winds actually were.
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Thanks for the shots.
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3phase xformer bank dropped and wiped out all below.
The result.
On the ground.
The other end.
Lookin open about 600 feet out.
What was now is down.
In with the power sweet!
CATV into BST
Now thats ready access. ;-)
Your DSL is on BP 12.
Not easy to break these.
Bet this made one heck of a light show.
235 Kv lines
Eh Bob I found something of yours.

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