[iO] Why do people complain about IO pricing? in OptimumOnline http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r14886061 en Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:47:05 EDT Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:47:05 EDT Re: [iO] Why do people complain about IO pricing? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14923002 TheWiseGuy : Digital TV is High Fixed cost business, where a large infrastructure is needed to support the customers, no matter how many customers there are subscribed. CV was losing customers to Sat. prior to iO. Since iO they have been adding customers. New customers are profitable to add as long as the revenue they provide covers the marginal cost of their addition. :)

By moving analog customers to iO they free up bandwidth and allow the addition of new or improved services allowing them to compete more effectively. ;)
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said by Bobcat See Profile :

Why would I want to increase my bill by 33%?
You wouldn't unless you were going to get additional value from making the change. It would be the same as someone coming to YOU and say I pay $20 for basic TV, why would I pat $46/mo which is 100%+ increase?

If they offered foreign language channels, you might be interested (based on past posts). Let's say it was $10/mo more. You might be interested since you'd get value from adding that package and that cost. I wouldn't. Doesn't mean it's wrong that you're increasing your cost 20%.

No added value to you, no reason to change.
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said by rickonline See Profile :

I was visiting some relatives in Brooklyn on Thanksgiving and the Cablevision analog box was working perfectly. I was told that some Brooklyn neighborhoods are now all digital but not where my relatives live.
Same here. I still have analog Cablevision and it works fine. I'm happy with it but I want Fox Soccer and maybe checkout the HD stuff as well.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14919237 Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:08:00 EDT Re: [iO] Why do people complain about IO pricing? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14899511 Dirtyping : Where I live the Cablevision analog signal is far superior than the IO digital service. With IO video and audio quality are horrible, way too much compression at times. Which is not saying much because the analog is pretty crappy to begin with. I also lose all the I/O HBO channels for half a minute at 5 past the hour at 9pm, 10pm and 11pm for some reason but the rest of the hour it is fine.

I have had Dish Network and Directv which were far superior in audio/video quality than that of Cablevision I/O. The only problem with that was I got sick of cutting my neighbors trees and imposing on them to get a clear shot at the satellites.

Hopeful for FIOS TV in 2006, if we ever get it here.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14899511 Mon, 28 Nov 2005 13:19:15 EDT Re: [iO] Why do people complain about IO pricing? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14898468 rickonline : I was visiting some relatives in Brooklyn on Thanksgiving and the Cablevision analog box was working perfectly. I was told that some Brooklyn neighborhoods are now all digital but not where my relatives live.
I have the IO Silver package and it is a very good deal. I was considering switching to satellite, but I like some of the On Demand services of Cablevision. I will keep researching the price differences since I have a private home with plenty of room for the dish on my roof.
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said by uroberto See Profile :

GeekNJ,
His digital tuner must also have a QAM tuner built-in. One of my TV comes with HD tuner built-in, but it doesn't have QAM. I can't get the digital channels without Cablevision's box.
Thanks. Didn't know there were additional criteria. All the folks I know that have a built-in tuner could get the signal if they wanted to. Anyway, thanks for the additional info.
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His digital tuner must also have a QAM tuner built-in. One of my TV comes with HD tuner built-in, but it doesn't have QAM. I can't get the digital channels without Cablevision's box.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14891666 Sun, 27 Nov 2005 10:14:47 EDT Re: [iO] Why do people complain about IO pricing? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14891602 GeekNJ :
said by schdy37 See Profile :

I have Cablevision and I have a HDTV. All I watch are the HD channels so I asked to subscribe to IO only. Not a chance. I'm forced to purchase the Family package at$50 and add IO plus the HD box for another $20. So I,m paying $70 for 10 HD channels. I think Sattelite TV is going to have a HDTV package only. I'm looking into it but the cost of the receiver is prohibitive.
Do you have a HDTV tuner built in? You don't even need io, I don't think, and you'd get some channels by directly plugging in the cable line to your HDTV tuner. In order to get certain channels, you would need to subscribe to a level of io service.
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Anyways, those prices are for fios tv in "test" areas in Texas, at this point there is no real reason to believe the prices will be the same for ny/nj/ct. Especially since providing tv service very well may involve different programming costs in different areas even for Verizon (thats how it is with all the cable companies, licensing fees and agreements are different depending on the area being serviced, even though it its the same exact service from the same exact company)
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However, it does appear FIOS tv will be slightly cheaper. The highest FIOS package, comparable to iO Gold, will come in at under $80. Plus, I the set top boxes are $1 cheaper. So you figure a family with 3 boxes and the top tier of service will save about $10/mo with FIOS...now only if it would be made available. :huh:

Also, just glancing at what will be made, it appears FIOS will be offering greater programming than iO.
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said by trinibwoy See Profile :

Also, if anyone can confirm whether IO is all digital in brooklyn
Yes it is.
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said by trinibwoy See Profile :

Also, if anyone can confirm whether IO is all digital in brooklyn I'd really appreciate it :) Thanks!
I think although I could be wrong that everything in Bklyn is transmitted digitally except for broadcast basic. I say that because CV mandates a box period. So if their going to mandate a box it might as well be a digital box so they can transmit digitally and generate revenue from On Demand features from the box.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14888238 Sat, 26 Nov 2005 18:03:49 EDT Re: [iO] Why do people complain about IO pricing? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14887920 trinibwoy : Thanks for the responses guys, they were very helpful. Yossisiegel, your situation is very different from mine - I only have a single tv and no need for a DVR. But I can see that based on your needs, the comparison between cable and satellite can differ greatly.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14887920 Sat, 26 Nov 2005 17:04:50 EDT Re: [iO] Why do people complain about IO pricing? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14887637 yossisiegel : my io silver with 3 dvrs after taxes/fees is costing me $100 a month, , switching to dish 120 with 3 room dvr, total monthly cost $61]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14887637 Sat, 26 Nov 2005 16:10:55 EDT Re: [iO] Why do people complain about IO pricing? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14886499 Jmartz : Both satellite companies have a much better selection of programming. Cablevision does not, and once you start going into iO gold and then end up paying $5 a month on top of the iO gold to get HBO on Demand, etc... it starts becoming expensive.

iO gold would be a killer package if they made it include all of the Video On Demand and interactive stuff for the same price... or if they made the sports pack "free" with iO gold. People would then have incentives to upgrade.... kind of like DirecTV... if you subscribe to their most expensive package, they will not charge you the 4.99 DVR fee. They also don't charge per DVR on your account either... so if you have their minimum package, you will pay the DVR fee, but you can have 10 DVR's and they will only charge you the mirroring fee... they wont charge you for the DVR service... ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14886499 Sat, 26 Nov 2005 13:12:14 EDT Re: [iO] Why do people complain about IO pricing? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14886199 Bichon : It's programming, not pricing, that sends most people to satellite. If you are a football nut, NFL Sunday ticket is exclusive to DirecTV. If you want Urdu, Farsi, Tagalog, Armenian and other International programming, Dish Network is the place. For me, some of the Dish Network channels I like that are not available on Cablevision include the 10 Voom high definition channels, HDNet and HDNet movies, BBC America, and the Sirius satellite radio music channels.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14886199 Sat, 26 Nov 2005 12:23:47 EDT [iO] Why do people complain about IO pricing? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14886061 trinibwoy : I know this has been a much debated topic and I have done some research on this site and others. I see a lot of people complaining about IO pricing compared to Dish/DirecTV. Now, I'm looking to upgrade to digital cable so I've been shopping around and what I found was that IO's silver and gold packages are actually very competitive with the satellite offerings.

Am I missing something? I have a single TV setup and no need for a DVR.

Also, if anyone can confirm whether IO is all digital in brooklyn I'd really appreciate it :) Thanks!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14886061 Sat, 26 Nov 2005 12:01:00 EDT