Re: 15 customers is hardly a good test in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r14889523 en Sat, 28 Nov 2009 06:48:06 EDT Sat, 28 Nov 2009 06:48:06 EDT Re: BPL rollout data map in U.S. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14894573 moonpuppy : Thanks Ed. I was hoping you would chime in.

73's de KA3UQQ

;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14894573 Sun, 27 Nov 2005 18:35:54 EDT Re: BPL rollout data map in U.S. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14891525 W1RFI : A number of them, actually, although UPLC has removed a few of the shut down systems from its map.

A more complete description of the status of various on-line and failed BPL trials is at:

»www.arrl.org/~ehare/bpl/ex2.html

I am in the process of updating the Status: lines in the entries, so look to the table for the current status of the system.

Many of the reported BPL systems were not entered into the UPLC database, so it looks as if the map is more hope than reality.

Ed Hare, ARRL Lab
W1RFI@arrl.org]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14891525 Sun, 27 Nov 2005 09:42:29 EDT Re: BPL rollout data map in U.S. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14891156 moonpuppy : And how old is that map?

How many of those "trials" have been shut down? ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14891156 Sun, 27 Nov 2005 08:00:01 EDT Re: 15 customers is hardly a good test http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14889523 LilYoda :
said by John Galt See Profile :

Hmmmm...none of those reasons is sufficient to incur a $190k loss...right?
Probably not. Was more responding to your question about why the local government was getting involved instead of a private company]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14889523 Sat, 26 Nov 2005 22:14:52 EDT Re: 15 customers is hardly a good test http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14888521 sporkme :
said by John Galt See Profile :

I realize that this is OT but it just struck me as odd when I looked at the budget...
It's a microcosm of the state and federal budgets. Municipalities have pork too!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14888521 Sat, 26 Nov 2005 18:57:53 EDT Re: 15 customers is hardly a good test http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14888259 John Galt :
said by LilYoda See Profile :

What about families that can't afford what a private industry charges for burying you? Or if you're the last one in your family and you got no money left? Society would have to find a place to put those bodies in the ground, no?
Hmmmm...none of those reasons is sufficient to incur a $190k loss...right?

They could pay a private owner on a per-case basis...

This is a town with a population of just over 7,000...how many people die here each year?

I realize that this is OT but it just struck me as odd when I looked at the budget...
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A is A]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14888259 Sat, 26 Nov 2005 18:08:02 EDT Re: 15 customers is hardly a good test http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14887669 LilYoda : What about families that can't afford what a private industry charges for burying you? Or if you're the last one in your family and you got no money left? Society would have to find a place to put those bodies in the ground, no?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14887669 Sat, 26 Nov 2005 16:16:36 EDT Re: 15 customers is hardly a good test http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14886818 John Galt : Why is the cemetery operating at a $190,175 per year loss?

Why does the city provide cemetery services? Can't this function be provided by private industry?
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said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

The electric company spokesman is happy that a 15 person test proves his BPL service is ready for deployment. It will be interesting to see if that evaluation holds up when the number of subscribers starts getting into the thousands - if it does indeed get that many people to sign on. Especially since the competitors have dropped their prices:»www.chicagotribune.com/business/···ness-hed
Since the city installed fiber and started testing BPL the local cable and phone operators upgraded their systems and cut service rates, he said.
»princeton-il.com/pdf/budget2005.pdf
Municipal Utilities Budget in the amount of $12,462,962 (including $3,855,342 in capital expenditures)...
The Utilities Budget, which consists of the water, sewer, and electric operations,includes funding for several large capital projects including the new 1.5 million gallon water tower, the 12-mile fiber-optic backbone, and an update of the City’s comprehensive sanitary sewer plan.
Now that the cable and telco have dropped prices, the muni BPL may never get the # of customers they need to pay off the capital expenditures for the BPL system.
Which is why this type of predatory pricing these competitors engage in is illegal...not like anything will ever happen to them though.
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Since the city installed fiber and started testing BPL the local cable and phone operators upgraded their systems and cut service rates, he said.
»princeton-il.com/pdf/budget2005.pdf
Municipal Utilities Budget in the amount of $12,462,962 (including $3,855,342 in capital expenditures)...
The Utilities Budget, which consists of the water, sewer, and electric operations,includes funding for several large capital projects including the new 1.5 million gallon water tower, the 12-mile fiber-optic backbone, and an update of the City’s comprehensive sanitary sewer plan.
Now that the cable and telco have dropped prices, the muni BPL may never get the # of customers they need to pay off the capital expenditures for the BPL system.
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