Re: They will get what they want in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r14915290 en Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:09:35 EDT Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:09:35 EDT Re: They will get what they want http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14917432 Thaler :
said by mr4july See Profile :

What maks these "televangelist's" think that people watch these channels just because they are there......
They don't...it's all for show actually. It wouldn't be impressive to say "We're watched by 5 loyal fans!", but rather, "we're televised to every cable consumer out there!" If anything modern-day broadcasting has shown, is that if you put enough crap out there...eventually, someone's gonna watch some of it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14917432 Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:36:25 EDT Re: They will get what they want http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14916784 mr4july : What maks these "televangelist's" think that people watch these channels just because they are there......]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14916784 Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:19:31 EDT Re: They will get what they want http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14916671 Thaler :
said by Maarvin See Profile :

Cable companies are in the business of making money, and that is all. They will even rob us if they can. No.."a la carte" will never happen.
Or if it does happen, the per-channel-price will be more than well padded out to make sure they're well within their projected profits. For cable companies to tell us that they will be losing profits is like Oprah to tell us she'll run outta Doritos.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14916671 Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:02:36 EDT Re: They will get what they want http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14916576 Maarvin : I agree wholeheartedly. Cable companies are in the business of making money, and that is all. They will even rob us if they can. No.."a la carte" will never happen.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14916576 Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:49:36 EDT Re: They will get what they want http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14916453 Thaler :
said by Zoly See Profile :

I'm very surprised! In such religious country as USA televangelists are worried??? Just relax, a Bible belt will pay as much as needed to keep those channels alive.
Honestly, if these folks are so worried about their message not being spread to the "unchurched" via a-la-carte cable...then why don't they offer their channel services up for free? Sure, they won't turn as much (or any) profit...but if spreading the message is the ultimate concern, surely running the channel non-profit wouldn't be a big concern, right? :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14916453 Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:33:24 EDT Re: They will get what they want http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14916290 SRFireside : Smart idea about the preview channel. I only wish these ideas would actually sink into the heads of the people who actually make these decisions. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14916290 Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:14:07 EDT Re: They will get what they want http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14916217 guitarzan :
said by Zoly See Profile :

What really needs to be done is adding a new TV rating like REL (religion) so customers can block it on their cable or whatever boxes. And then everyone will be happy.
That is a good idea, then the other rating's we can have are SPO (sports) (OUT)outdoors for hunting,fishing and motorsports.FOX for FOX news,where the real news gets reported.

Then we can have HWT (hollywood trash) filter/block for the rest of the cable garbage line up.This way all HWT can be blocked.Better yet make cable ala-carte.This way one does not have to pay for all that gutter grade HWT.And then everyone will be happy.
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In addition, to help promote niche channels, cable companies could include a "Preview Channel" in the default lineup. This channel would take its content from a different non-default channel from week to week. This week it's HBO. Next week, it's Sci-Fi. The week after that it's Oxygen. You never know quite what you'll find on that station. That might help generate interest in niche (or recently added) channels.


* They pay the cable providers for access as opposed to the other channels which require the cable providers to pay them to air their content. That's why I'd add them by default.

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You got kids and want the kid channels, then you have to get all the kid channels, disney, nick, noggin, etc

You want the sports channels, then you have to get all the sports channels, espn, fox, oln, speed, etc. So on and so forth...
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The fringe channels that make cable so interesting still get their support, you get to choose the important channels you want to keep, and you can pay extra for the expensive channels if you WANT to. There. Was that so hard? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14915290 Wed, 30 Nov 2005 11:58:20 EDT Re: They will get what they want http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14915007 CableTool : Like BBC is showing crap? Or Ovation? Or SCI FI? ESPN is showing crap as well because Im not into sports. CNN is also showing crap becasue I dont get my news from tv.
I wouldnt mind if those channels folded and disappeared but I WOULD mind if TLC folded because DAM IF I DONT LOVE ME SOME TRADING SPACES!

Let your cable company only offer the channels the MAJORITY want after the niches have folded and mine will offer everything that everyone wants and we will see at the end of the day which system works and which you wold rather live in.
In a broad way your would rather see cable ran like a communist country. No real choices. You must like what the majority likes.
People arent built that way.

Your comparing genre tv to movie channels in speaking about TW showing the same movies on all channels.
Premium movie channels already ARE ala cart. They wouldnt be affected by this ruling. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14915007 Wed, 30 Nov 2005 11:16:37 EDT Re: They will get what they want http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14914965 Zoly : I'm very surprised! In such religious country as USA televangelists are worried??? Just relax, a Bible belt will pay as much as needed to keep those channels alive.

What really needs to be done is adding a new TV rating like REL (religion) so customers can block it on their cable or whatever boxes. And then everyone will be happy.

Or, like if you want to watch sport channels or Encore channels, you have to pay extra 5 dollars a month. I think that Cable companies shall put all religious channels in one package and sell them in one Inspirational package for let's say 1$ a month and in that case I will be sure that not even 1 cent of my money goes toward those guys. And I will be happy.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14914965 Wed, 30 Nov 2005 11:10:21 EDT Re: They will get what they want http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14914923 Fatal Vector : Then, Like I said previously. If the channel cannot compete and support itself, it will just have to go black and good riddance. There are far too many niche channels as it is, all playing the same crap over and over in rotation, like time warner. If you watch over the period of a couple months, you will see the same movie shown on all the time warner channels one after the other.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14914923 Wed, 30 Nov 2005 11:04:30 EDT Re: They will get what they want http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14914467 Jason Levine : I don't think it'll never happen, but it'll never be cost effective. And not because a la carte is flawed in some way, but because the cable companies will make sure it is not cost effective.

If they are forced into offering a la carte programming, they'll do some studies to find out how many channels the average person would order. Then they'll price the individual channels so that the total price is about the same as (if not higher than) their package prices.

In addition, they may price popular channels higher than unpopular ones. This would mean that it would take fewer channels on average to make a la carte more expensive than packages.

They would run with this for awhile, then do a study on cable costs and find (*surprise* *surprise*) that a la carte households were paying more than package households on average. This study would "prove" that a la carte was fundamentally flawed and they would use it to lobby to remove the requirement to offer an a la carte option.
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With only a minority of people subscribing to these channels and the channels themselves setting their own prices what do you think you will REALLY be paying?
No cable company is going to give you a channel for .99 when it costs them 6.50 per subscribed sub to offer it becasue the subscriber base is so low. They cant make money off of locals either.
Those that like ESPN and OVATION and other niche, genre channels will be paying through the nose for these channels.

Hell if Im going to pay the same Im paying now to receive 10 channles I REALLY REALLY want and not be able to view the other 200 or so channels I used to get for the same price. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14914387 Wed, 30 Nov 2005 09:42:23 EDT Re: They will get what they want http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14914334 jeffs471 :
said by kalphearion See Profile :

Cable CO's will never provide "a-la-carte" service. yes it will save the consume some cash, but it won't profit for the greedy cable exec's.

a la carte will never happen, unless Hell freezes over and cable exec's grow a heart and cater to the end users' wants.
charge 5.00 dollars each for the very popular channels ie tbs, tnt, comedy central and charge 1.00 for the crub like fuse.

Advertise the service with wording such as "channels as low as 99 cents" however when you add up all the channels you actually watch, the popular ones, you end up paying just as much or more than before but are getting less channels. I see the cable company making money anyway it goes, don't worry they will figure out a way. Its people like espn and mtv who are against it because they like to force their crappy second tier channels on us in order to get the popular channel everybody wants. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14914334 Wed, 30 Nov 2005 09:34:36 EDT They will get what they want http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14914302 kalphearion : Cable CO's will never provide "a-la-carte" service. yes it will save the consume some cash, but it won't profit for the greedy cable exec's.

a la carte will never happen, unless Hell freezes over and cable exec's grow a heart and cater to the end users' wants. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14914302 Wed, 30 Nov 2005 09:28:45 EDT