[ Express] sending in outlook express... in Rogers http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r14918645 en Fri, 04 Dec 2009 14:24:07 EDT Fri, 04 Dec 2009 14:24:07 EDT Re: [ Express] sending in outlook express... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14937773 sbrook : I am surprised that UofT has NOT yet implemented alternate port SMTP submission being that the MSA approach is becoming so highly recommended AND that UofT Computing is supposedly at the forefront!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14937773 Sat, 03 Dec 2005 11:03:50 EDT Re: [ Express] sending in outlook express... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14937260 mordin :
said by courtvb See Profile :

What is worse with sympatico is that their newer smtp servers, smtph.sympatico.ca prevent even this workaround and reject any outgoing email that does NOT include a return address containing @sympatico.ca so people who use that smtp server are pooched.
For the outgoing server turn on SSL and checkmark 'My server requires authentication' and enter the email address & password.
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said by sbrook See Profile :

And you'll find that it won't be long before Sympatico does the same thing. This is becoming common practice by most ISPs because they need to block the outbound spam and viruses being sent through these bot nets ... for every trojan'ed machine, there are thousands of new machines getting infected and joining these botnets daily. This is one of the only ways to stop it.

Try changing the port for your SMTP mailer to 587 ... that should probably work ... or ask your UofT admin if they have an alternate port.
I work at the UofT help desk and we deal with this issue almost every day it seems. We don't offer an alternate port for email. However as we tell everyone, which has been posted here, it is no big deal. Just change your smtp server to use rogers, and make sure you authenticate the outgoing connection with your Rogers username and password and your all set, still looks like the message is coming from your UofT account, unless someone feels the need to actually go through the message headers, which would be not be the norm.

As for Sympatico, they also do this, and actually to some extent it is worse. Sympatico also blocks the standard outgoing smtp port for all 3rd party servers, however they do not require outgoing server authentication with a sympatico username and password. What is worse with sympatico is that their newer smtp servers, smtph.sympatico.ca prevent even this workaround and reject any outgoing email that does NOT include a return address containing @sympatico.ca so people who use that smtp server are pooched.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14937125 Sat, 03 Dec 2005 01:49:47 EDT Re: [ Express] sending in outlook express... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14932016 NormanS : I know nothing about how Outlook 2003 handles secure log ins. I have only tested MSOE. It will only do STARTTLS on port 25.
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said by geestring See Profile :

yea.. 587 should work.. in telnet i make contact with my mailservers...

something in outlookk...
Definitely something in MS Outlook Express. Some mail providers giving access to port 587 are requiring STARTTLS for authentication. MSOE can only do STARTTLS on port 25; I have not found a way to enable STARTTLS on any other port in MSOE.

Also, if smtp.broadband.rogers.com is a Yahoo! server, it should require authenticated log in. When you set up MSOE, do check "My server requires authentication" on the server properties tab. Do not check "Log on using Secure Password Authentication". That is some kind of proprietary MSFT thingy. Shows you where MSFT wants you to go; giving you a little used MSFT-only secure password protocol, but not a more widely used generic secure password protocol!
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said by spyre99 :

I'm switching over to Sympatico as soon as xmas break starts.
Don't bother...Sympatico blocks port 25 too.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14928107 Thu, 01 Dec 2005 21:28:06 EDT Re: [ Express] sending in outlook express... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14924637 geestring : oh i did change the port.... I didnt add :587 though... should try that as well...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14924637 Thu, 01 Dec 2005 13:49:41 EDT Re: [ Express] sending in outlook express... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14924586 sbrook : Probably the way you're specifying the port number.

I don't use LookOut, so I can't speak from experience but this looks like it should help you to change the port ... it's not simply adding a :587 after the server name like some servers.

»products.secureserver.net/email/···look.htm]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14924586 Thu, 01 Dec 2005 13:41:04 EDT Re: [ Express] sending in outlook express... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14924553 geestring : yea.. 587 should work.. in telnet i make contact with my mailservers...

something in outlookk...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14924553 Thu, 01 Dec 2005 13:36:54 EDT Re: [ Express] sending in outlook express... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14924355 sbrook : geestring ... you didn't set something up right.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14924355 Thu, 01 Dec 2005 13:06:33 EDT Re: [ Express] sending in outlook express... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14924351 sbrook : And you'll find that it won't be long before Sympatico does the same thing. This is becoming common practice by most ISPs because they need to block the outbound spam and viruses being sent through these bot nets ... for every trojan'ed machine, there are thousands of new machines getting infected and joining these botnets daily. This is one of the only ways to stop it.

Try changing the port for your SMTP mailer to 587 ... that should probably work ... or ask your UofT admin if they have an alternate port.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14924351 Thu, 01 Dec 2005 13:05:58 EDT Re: [ Express] sending in outlook express... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14923759 anon : I just want to say that this is really upsetting me.

I'm a student and I can't send emails through my University of Toronto account anymore because of Rogers.

Its pretty much the straw that broke my back, I'm switching over to Sympatico as soon as xmas break starts.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14923759 Thu, 01 Dec 2005 11:40:41 EDT Re: [ Express] sending in outlook express... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14923077 geestring : I used that smtp and it says the server rejected my email address... which is my own email...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14923077 Thu, 01 Dec 2005 09:51:21 EDT Re: [ Express] sending in outlook express... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14922839 sbrook : smtp.broadband.rogers.com]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14922839 Thu, 01 Dec 2005 09:12:46 EDT Re: [ Express] sending in outlook express... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14922438 geestring : k whats the smtp address for rogers then?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14922438 Thu, 01 Dec 2005 07:26:23 EDT Re: [ Express] sending in outlook express... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14920626 mordin :
said by geestring See Profile :

supposedly my servers use an alternate port as well 587... I still get an error though... does rogers block 587 as well?
What outgoing error are you getting? Should be something like 0x800CCC--. Are the outgoing server settings correct? Are you required to use authentication - username/password? Do you need to turn on Secure Socket Layer - SSL?
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1) User Rogers servers ... and who cares if it has a rogers yahoo server in the headers? What matters is that the From: gets it back to you@yourdomain. (There are actually SOME issues that I have with using Rogers Yahoo! servers but that's another matter).

2) Use a Mail host or web host offering mail and host your mail servers out there ... but the domain host must allow connection on a port other than 25. I used Canaca ... they don't, so for now, I use Rogers servers for outbound mail, but it still LOOKS like it comes from me@mydomain

You cannot use mail servers hosted on your own system which is connected to Rogers ... and that's to stop the spread of spam and viruses and is a good thing, even if a nuisance. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14919711 Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:04:00 EDT Re: [ Express] sending in outlook express... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14919595 geestring : but I wouldnt want to do that if Im running abusiness... having some yahoo rogers crap being shown...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14919595 Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:51:13 EDT Re: [ Express] sending in outlook express... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14919577 sbrook : That works if your servers are OUTSIDE Rogers network ... i.e. not on machined connected via your cable modem.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14919577 Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:49:15 EDT Re: [ Express] sending in outlook express... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14919523 geestring : so I can still send using my own email... it just wont be using my own server?

err that sucks...

let me see if my servers have a alternate port...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14919523 Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:43:31 EDT Re: [ Express] sending in outlook express... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14919408 sbrook : You don't have to use Rogers email ... You can *receive* mail on your system, but you cannot SEND email through it, even with your own domain name in the From: address or Reply To: address.

E.G.

User name: JohnSmith@myowndomain.ca
SMTP server: smtp.broadband.rogers.com
POP server: pop.myowndomain.ca

Any mail you send will look something like ...

From: JohnSmith@myowndomain.ca
Received: from smtp.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com by
       someserver.somedomain.com
Received: from unknown (HELO mycomputer) 
        (yourusername@rogers.com@70.26.xxx.xxx with login)
        by smtp102.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2005 01:31:03 -0000


So, when they reply, it goes to JohnSmith@myowndomain.ca not to rogers.com
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14919408 Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:30:41 EDT Re: [ Express] sending in outlook express... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14919320 geestring : so basically either I use rogers email... or my servers must have an alternate way out?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14919320 Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:19:04 EDT Re: [ Express] sending in outlook express... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14919299 sbrook : Correct. You must send mail out through Rogers Yahoo! SMTP servers, OR if you have external hosting, it must be capable of using an alternate "Submission port" as an Mail Submission Agent(MSA), as opposed to a Mail Transport Agent(MTA)

This is to stop spam, especially from zombie bot nets.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14919299 Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:15:52 EDT [ Express] sending in outlook express... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14918645 geestring : I know people have posted about this... I haven't found any real solutions?

apparently rogers blocks port 25?

I'm using my own email on my own servers...

i cant send anything through outlook....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14918645 Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:55:24 EDT