DSL & Cable Not Available - What are Alternatives in Canadian Broadband http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r14971555 en Fri, 27 Nov 2009 21:48:48 EDT Fri, 27 Nov 2009 21:48:48 EDT Re: DSL & Cable Not Available - What are Alternati http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15000370 sbrook : Unfortunately, that sounds about right for cost. First there's the street permit from the municipality, then there's the pavement cutters (2 people for about 2 hours), then there's the cable layer, then there's the paving crew to patch the hole ... and if there are kerbs they have to patch the concrete too. And then you've got somebody standing guard on the traffic with a lollipop stick! Then there's the insurance and bonds to the city and ... the list of costs just goes on and on and on.

The "In a Rogers area?" was a comment to the person who suggested Cogeco fibre.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15000370 Sun, 11 Dec 2005 21:29:48 EDT Re: DSL & Cable Not Available - What are Alternati http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14999256 allanc1 :
said by sbrook See Profile :

In a Rogers area?
Yes, as I mentioned earlier in the thread....
Rogers has service in the next building on the street.
They cannot string cable via aerial as everything is buried.
They want $6,500 to dig and place cable from across the narrow street.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14999256 Sun, 11 Dec 2005 18:28:17 EDT Re: DSL & Cable Not Available - What are Alternatives http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14999245 allanc1 :
said by Bskll See Profile :

ever thought about cogeco fiber?
Approxamately how much $ per month?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14999245 Sun, 11 Dec 2005 18:26:13 EDT Re: DSL & Cable Not Available - What are Alternati http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14998942 sbrook : In a Rogers area?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14998942 Sun, 11 Dec 2005 17:35:14 EDT Re: DSL & Cable Not Available - What are Alternatives http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14993138 Bskll : ever thought about cogeco fiber?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14993138 Sat, 10 Dec 2005 19:55:01 EDT Re: DSL & Cable Not Available - What are Alternati http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14985983 allanc1 :
said by nyt See Profile :

said by allanc1 See Profile :

The reason that I say that is that one building over on his street they already have Rogers.
why not setting up a wireless link with a Rogers customer across the street then? cheap and efficient.
Wireless security would be one reason.
Also, my client wants to retain control as opposed to 'subcontracting'.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14985983 Fri, 09 Dec 2005 19:00:32 EDT Re: DSL & Cable Not Available - What are Alternati http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14982049 nyt :
said by allanc1 See Profile :

The reason that I say that is that one building over on his street they already have Rogers.
why not setting up a wireless link with a Rogers customer across the street then? cheap and efficient.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14982049 Fri, 09 Dec 2005 09:52:41 EDT Re: DSL & Cable Not Available - What are Alternati http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14981516 allanc1 :
said by sbrook See Profile :

There are precious few companies that offer service level agreements until you start paying for T1 type service. (1.5Mbps up / down)
In that sense it looks like he's asking the moon.
Ah, I understand your point now.
Well, he currently does not have any sort of guaranteed uptime with the ISDN. I do not think he is expecting anything in writing with a higher speed at a reasonable cost. He understands that a guarantee would cost more.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14981516 Fri, 09 Dec 2005 08:10:01 EDT Re: DSL & Cable Not Available - What are Alternati http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14976193 sbrook : Even Rogers standard business connection doesn't offer a service level agreement (unless you go for a private contract with Rogers) ... but then you pay more.

Any company is looking at fines for non-availability needs a service with a service level agreement. That is ... some kind of guarantee of service from the provider. There are precious few companies that offer service level agreements until you start paying for T1 type service. (1.5Mbps up / down)

In that sense it looks like he's asking the moon.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14976193 Thu, 08 Dec 2005 14:58:45 EDT Re: DSL & Cable Not Available - What are Alternati http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14975305 allanc1 :
said by sbrook See Profile :

I certainly wouldn't go with a cable solution ... let alone with Rogers ... if he needs high uptime ... and even a DSL solution isn't good for the service level he needs.

I think the problem here is that you have a client that wants the moon and wants to get there with a pair of cheap roller skates! The two are just incompatible. Personally speaking were this my client, I'd be looking for a different client to work with!
Well, he mostly satisfied with the uptime of the Primus ISDN. Would you say that Rogers & DSL are * less * reliable?
I do not think that I agree with you that he wants the moon.
The reason that I say that is that one building over on his street they already have Rogers. It is a short distance away. The problem is that the cables are buried. According to Rogers if they could string an aerial cable there would be no extra charge. The box that they would have to dig from is accross the street and therefore they need to 'dig'.
BTW - he has been a great client for about 17 years and we have a great relationship.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14975305 Thu, 08 Dec 2005 13:08:24 EDT Re: DSL & Cable Not Available - What are Alternati http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14974702 Tikker_LoS :
said by allanc1 See Profile :

I know my client very well.
He would rather pay the $150 for 64k than pay $6,500 up front for multiple mb and $100 a month.
well, He either needs to pay the $$ to upgrade his service, or stop complaining

Like was said before, DSL/Cable aren't really SLA driven, and he should probably be looking at getting a T1 or something similar]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14974702 Thu, 08 Dec 2005 11:48:23 EDT Re: DSL & Cable Not Available - What are Alternati http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14973552 sbrook : I certainly wouldn't go with a cable solution ... let alone with Rogers ... if he needs high uptime ... and even a DSL solution isn't good for the service level he needs.

I think the problem here is that you have a client that wants the moon and wants to get there with a pair of cheap roller skates! The two are just incompatible. Personally speaking were this my client, I'd be looking for a different client to work with!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14973552 Thu, 08 Dec 2005 08:55:24 EDT Re: DSL & Cable Not Available - What are Alternati http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14973265 allanc1 :
said by donoreo See Profile :

Take a look at Terago. They do offer SLA's. We use them at work in Markham and they are quite reliable.
I will call them.
Thank you for the suggestion.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14973265 Thu, 08 Dec 2005 07:27:12 EDT Re: DSL & Cable Not Available - What are Alternati http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14973259 allanc1 :
said by R0CKY See Profile :

You might need to read up on this stuff before diving in to questioning any of the above as I believe there are many flavours available for DS1 type solutions (ie: TDM, etc...).
Will do.
Thank you.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14973259 Thu, 08 Dec 2005 07:26:02 EDT Re: DSL & Cable Not Available - What are Alternati http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14973236 donoreo : Take a look at Terago. They do offer SLA's. We use them at work in Markham and they are quite reliable. You can also try Mipps (now owned by Primus) for wireless. I have used it in the past and it was quite reliable as well.

We got Terago because it is cheaper than a T1 for us.
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Companies like Bell, Sprint, GT, Megatrade (just bumped into them recently) can do this. Pricing for DS1 (approx. 1.5Mbps) can vary from $150/month to $4000/month.... the cost will mostly depend on the distance needed to deliver the service.

You might need to read up on this stuff before diving in to questioning any of the above as I believe there are many flavours available for DS1 type solutions (ie: TDM, etc...). I'm thinking, based on your questioning, you'd probably enjoy the read as it would no doubt broaden your broadband options spectrum.

Regards,

Rocky
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said by R0CKY See Profile :

To be quite frank.... I'd say, if they're looking at thousands of dollars of fines for downtime, they should be looking at an Ethernet (E1/T1, 10Mbps) or ATM solution (DS1/DS3).... If you look around you might be able to spot a few companies that do DS1 solutions for a couple hundred per month.
I have to admit that I am not that familiar with all of these terms such as E1, DS1/DS3 but ...
Wouldn't they use the Bell lines that are already laid down?
If so, and the lines don't support DSL (according to Bell), how would these other technologies be supported?
BTW - what is E1, DS1/DS3?
TIA.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14971797 Wed, 07 Dec 2005 22:59:17 EDT Re: DSL & Cable Not Available - What are Alternati http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14971763 allanc1 :
said by HiVolt See Profile :

Rogers does offer static IP dedicated busines service for about $200/month if I recall.
Actually, I spoke to Rogers several times in the past week.
The prices on their WEB site are outdated.
Their current offering is about $99 per month with no contract and 5 static IP's with another $15 for hosting.
I know my client very well.
He would rather pay the $150 for 64k than pay $6,500 up front for multiple mb and $100 a month.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14971763 Wed, 07 Dec 2005 22:55:36 EDT Re: DSL & Cable Not Available - What are Alternati http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14971727 R0CKY : Thought I heard something about Terago offering SLA type services with their wireless stuff... Might be an avenue but normally I'd tend to agree with HiVolt.... DSL or Cable are pretty much the only options for cost sensitive solutions.

Bell's supposed to be coming out with SLA type DSL services soon (maybe with the coming of DSL2) but it's not going to help you right now unfortunately.

To be quite frank.... I'd say, if they're looking at thousands of dollars of fines for downtime, they should be looking at an Ethernet (E1/T1, 10Mbps) or ATM solution (DS1/DS3).... If you look around you might be able to spot a few companies that do DS1 solutions for a couple hundred per month.

Rocky
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If its such important and critical service, why don't they just pony up and pay Rogers what they want? Its as close as you're gonna get to a reliable connection and more bandwidth.

Rogers does offer static IP dedicated busines service for about $200/month if I recall.
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said by HiVolt See Profile :

Good lord, $150 for 64k ISDN. Try these guys, they offer two way satellite as well as point to point wireless.

»www.broadbandontario.com/
We are running an application that requires almost 100% uptime with the fixed IP. In a nutshell, it is something called 'AS/2 Communication' which is a form of EDI. My client can be fined thousands of dollars if the service is unrealiable.
They would also be using this connection for E-mail (using Microsoft Exchange) and browsing. There would be up to 15 users at a time.
Do you still think that I should contact the above?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14971622 Wed, 07 Dec 2005 22:39:02 EDT Re: DSL & Cable Not Available - What are Alternati http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14971588 HiVolt : Good lord, $150 for 64k ISDN. Try these guys, they offer two way satellite as well as point to point wireless.

»www.broadbandontario.com/
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I have checked with Bell and DSL is not available on their street.
Rogers wants about $6,500 to dig and place cables.
I am out of ideas at this time as to how to make a significant improvement in their bandwith.
They need at least one fixed/static IP address.
What reasonably priced alternatives does my client have to increase their bandwith?
Thank you in advance.
Allan C.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14971555 Wed, 07 Dec 2005 22:29:35 EDT