 gheezerCompooters R UsPremium
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Henrietta, NY
2 edits | There's a lot of misunderstanding possible P2P Traffic shaping only affects those who blatantly trade large volumes 24/7/365.
Many P2P file traders are relatively young (college/high school) and inexperienced in regards to Network Infrastructure. They don't undertsand that Bit Torrent and E Donkey, by default, allow UNLIMITED download requests from their machine.
This unlimited download requests causes thousands and thousands of simultaneous TCP connections attempts to make it's way through the Providers backbone to the relatively small devices the user connects through. Chewing up memory and CPU of even a Big Honking Router like a Cisco 6500.
What traffic shaping does, is, if the user won't limit their incoming download requests themselves, then the traffic shaping will do it for them. Thus saving CPU and memory of their connecting router for the rest of the users that connect through it. Saving resources for all that Pr0n and gaming and VoIP and streaming audio that everyone else likes to do.
If done correctly, the ONLY ones who would notice, would be the HEAVIEST of file traders.
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| said by gheezer:P2P Traffic shaping only affects those who blatantly trade large volumes 24/7/365. I agree. Throttle the abusers and let the rest of us get our work done. However, I think it inevitable that the P2P crowd will find a way around this in a few months. 
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boltz
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Guelph, ON | reply to gheezer
said by gheezer:If done correctly, the ONLY ones who would notice, would be the HEAVIEST of file traders. The key here is if done correctly.
Rogers targets whole nodes not individuals. |
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Typical bandwidth shaping is going to impact speeds as well as requests, meaning that all bittorrent users will notice. Want that brand new linux distro? Sorry, have to either download it from the super slow ftp site or even slower through BT. |
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gheezerCompooters R UsPremium
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Henrietta, NY | said by Necronomikro:Typical bandwidth shaping is going to impact speeds as well as requests, meaning that all bittorrent users will notice. Want that brand new linux distro? Sorry, have to either download it from the super slow ftp site or even slower through BT. not if you limit the maximum number of connections, but leave the bandwidth alone.
it's the number of protocol requests that kill your upstream router's resources, so...limit the connection requests, you can still share the same bandwidth, just with fewer outside hosts.
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Right, because the majority of p2p traffic are from the fine law abiding folks who are downloading Linux distros. Please tell me another story. |
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said by gheezer:P2P Traffic shaping only affects those who blatantly trade large volumes 24/7/365. Which is probably less then 1% of their customers. If you are like me, who downloads maybe 1 movie in a month (if even that), a few mp3's here and there, and maybe a new game every now and then using p2p you aren't a strain on their network.
If I transfer more then 10 Gb of data in a month its a lot.
They should just make it easier on us: Only that 1% downloads more then say... 50 Gb a month. Set a traffic limit of 50 Gb a month, and then charge $1 for every Gb over that.
This won't affect about 95% of the customers, if not more. Of course no one like the idea of being "limited" all over sudden. Because that doesn't sound good.
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Typically, they are doing this being bandwidth misers. They could care less about you if you are 'Downloading items via Peer 2 Peer', you're just a customer using the bandwidth to the max. They're not going to stop at throttling connection requests, they're going to slow down your P2P traffic. |
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gheezerCompooters R UsPremium
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Henrietta, NY | Aaah, it's that whole conspiracy thing, Yes...no doubt.
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gheezerCompooters R UsPremium
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Henrietta, NY | reply to maartena
Again, it's not about the bandwidth...it's all about the number of TCP port connection requests.
A Very Popular file (Paris Hilton Sex Video maybe?) can generate thousands and thousands of connection requests, which can deplete a router's CPU and memory very quickly, degrading service for everyone.
If the user limits the Max # of connection requests themselves, they wouldn't even notice.
(that's how it SHOULD be done, I cannot speak for Shaw or Rogers, if they choose other ways to throttle, then they deserve ALL the bad press they get)
Another great feature of this, is traffic pattern recognition, and using said traffic patterns to mitigate the spread of those damned pesky worms and trojans and virii.
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said by maartena:said by gheezer:. Set a traffic limit of 50 Gb a month, and then charge $1 for every Gb over that. ummm... actually the limits are 60Gb/month for most users, 100Gb/month for users who upgraded to a higher tier of service |
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vannyxPremium
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Bronx, NY | reply to maartena
then they cant call it unlimited anymore and they would need to offer higher tiers for people to go over. Not to mention , i download almost 1TB a month of various Japanese and Asian TV programs that i will never see living inthe US. and about 10GB of Anime a month. Now that plan will serious screw me over. I self throttle my BT upload to about 30kb at any given time and i do straigh downloading from usenet but i still get told that i am running servers and that they will take away my service if i dont stop. And that no one needs to be downloading that much. Ive asked how much is the higher tier plan and they told me there was business cable. I asked how much a month, they said 100 a month , i said kool sign me up if the restrictions get lifted, they said they dont , you just pay more. So then i said isnt their any plan you have that would make this work for both of us. They said yes , we can install a high speed dedicated line for you, its 10,000 to setup and 1000 a month. I hung up the phone. |
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