 Logan 5Enjoying the CataclysmPremium,MVM
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| Sounds good...but What about those in rural areas or who are unable to otherwise take advantage of this??
All these "Speeds 'N Feeds" look impressive on paper, but when sub 56k dialup is not an option, Satellite unreliable and Cellular Broadband too cost prohibitive....what then?
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| said by Logan 5:What about those in rural areas or who are unable to otherwise take advantage of this?? All these "Speeds 'N Feeds" look impressive on paper, but when sub 56k dialup is not an option, Satellite unreliable and Cellular Broadband too cost prohibitive....what then? Move.
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Richardson, TX | Heh, exactly. I can feel for those who care to move out to the sticks to get away from the suburbs/cities, but wanting Verizon to spend 10s of thousands of dollars in labor and equipment costs to get like a handful of subscribers is awful. Who ends up paying for it? Me with my bills and the associated taxes.
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said by fAcEtIOUs:said by Logan 5:What about those in rural areas or who are unable to otherwise take advantage of this?? All these "Speeds 'N Feeds" look impressive on paper, but when sub 56k dialup is not an option, Satellite unreliable and Cellular Broadband too cost prohibitive....what then? Move. Unfortunately, that is the only solution.
People here on BBR constantly point at Japan and wonder why they have 100 megabit connections and wonder why we don't have anything like that here. A lot of it has to do with population and area. In Japan, there is a huge percentage of people who buy into that fast internet access. Here, broadband adoption is much much less AND we just don't have that kind of population density like Japan has. I think New York may be pretty close though when I last looked at the population figures, but I can't remember to be honest.
The key is those rural areas are going to be without this technology. Its unfortunate, but the companies deploying this technology is looking to make money while doing it. They aren't looking to take a loss while spending tens of thousands of dollars on getting 1-2 subscribers in some area in BFE.
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Logan 5Enjoying the CataclysmPremium,MVM
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Meh.... It's SO easy for those who have the ability to take advantage of this to look down their noses at those who can't...
I also mentioned about those who are otherwise unable to take advantage of this which has nothing to do at all with "living in the sticks".
What makes ANYONE think that all metropolitian areas will have FIOS any decade soon??
I live in the San Francisco Bay Area, in a city of over 350,000 residents. There are 2 CO's in my town. One I am too far away from and the other will only get me 1.5/384 aDSL service because even though my DSL line has been tested out at being able to reliably handle the 3mbps tier, SBC refuses to give me faster service saying that "I am too far away", and they have abandonded their plans of putting a RT in my area (Project Pronto) instead opting for adsl/fiber IPTV with Project Lightspeed.
I should not have to resort to paying for dialup just to keep my email address that I've had since 1999, cancelling my service and going with another provider who can hopefully get me something faster. I do NOT live in a rural or unincorporated area but am caught in the middle of Corporate Greed and as a result, am getting a screwjob... I have the money to afford faster, I WANT faster, but at the same time I do not think I am being unreasonable in wanting SBC to give it to me.
So again, all the Optimum Online's, Verizon's and everyone else scrambling to roll out fiber doen't really mean much to people like me who will likely never be able to take advantage of it anyway.
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Boston, MA | said by Logan 5:Meh.... It's SO easy for those who have the ability to take advantage of this to look down their noses at those who can't... I also mentioned about those who are otherwise unable to take advantage of this which has nothing to do at all with "living in the sticks". What makes ANYONE think that all metropolitian areas will have FIOS any decade soon?? I live in the San Francisco Bay Area, in a city of over 350,000 residents. There are 2 CO's in my town. One I am too far away from and the other will only get me 1.5/384 aDSL service because even though my DSL line has been tested out at being able to reliably handle the 3mbps tier, SBC refuses to give me faster service saying that "I am too far away", and they have abandonded their plans of putting a RT in my area (Project Pronto) instead opting for adsl/fiber IPTV with Project Lightspeed. I should not have to resort to paying for dialup just to keep my email address that I've had since 1999, cancelling my service and going with another provider who can hopefully get me something faster. I do NOT live in a rural or unincorporated area but am caught in the middle of Corporate Greed and as a result, am getting a screwjob... I have the money to afford faster, I WANT faster, but at the same time I do not think I am being unreasonable in wanting SBC to give it to me. So again, all the Optimum Online's, Verizon's and everyone else scrambling to roll out fiber doen't really mean much to people like me who will likely never be able to take advantage of it anyway. Must be nice for those who can eh? So are you saying that Verizon should bite the bullet and spend trillions of dollars to wire the entire country at once? |
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Japan gets fast broadband access because of 1) high population density and 2) unbundling which forces the incumbent to compete with the newcomers.
In the US, we have large areas with high population density but the FCC all but killed unbundling... |
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said by vpoko:So are you saying that Verizon should bite the bullet and spend trillions of dollars to wire the entire country at once? No, not at all. I am not asking for the whole country to be wired up for fiber just so I can have access to it. I am saying that instead of rolling out services that only a small percentage of the installed userbase will be able to initially utilize, why not instead give those in situations like myself, the ability to get something better first.
I want SBC to finish the original buildout of RT's that were promised under the name of Project Pronto before my DSL rates are raised to subsidize their "Project Lightspeed" IPTV so I can get a faster DSL connection instead of SBC deciding that people in my situation can "take it or leave it" and are forced to pay for something we'll never be able to use. It would be a helluva lot cheaper for SBC to implement a few dozen more RT's then rolling out the fiber that I won't be able to get anyway. At least with the RT's I'd likely see some benefit and SBC can make MORE money from the existing users first rather then wooing shareholders/investors with grandiose promises for the future. |
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said by Logan 5:Meh.... It's SO easy for those who have the ability to take advantage of this to look down their noses at those who can't... I also mentioned about those who are otherwise unable to take advantage of this which has nothing to do at all with "living in the sticks". What makes ANYONE think that all metropolitian areas will have FIOS any decade soon?? I live in the San Francisco Bay Area, in a city of over 350,000 residents. There are 2 CO's in my town. One I am too far away from and the other will only get me 1.5/384 aDSL service because even though my DSL line has been tested out at being able to reliably handle the 3mbps tier, SBC refuses to give me faster service saying that "I am too far away", and they have abandonded their plans of putting a RT in my area (Project Pronto) instead opting for adsl/fiber IPTV with Project Lightspeed. I should not have to resort to paying for dialup just to keep my email address that I've had since 1999, cancelling my service and going with another provider who can hopefully get me something faster. I do NOT live in a rural or unincorporated area but am caught in the middle of Corporate Greed and as a result, am getting a screwjob... I have the money to afford faster, I WANT faster, but at the same time I do not think I am being unreasonable in wanting SBC to give it to me. So again, all the Optimum Online's, Verizon's and everyone else scrambling to roll out fiber doen't really mean much to people like me who will likely never be able to take advantage of it anyway. Must be nice for those who can eh? Well, you don't live in Verizon territory so you'll never see FIOS. You'll have to wait until AT&T rolls out lightspeed in the city, which they eventually will... and San Fran has at least 8 CO's that I'm aware of, probably more...
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If I was a betting man, I would wager one would the same rural towns without broadband in Japan. I can not see some Japanese outfit laying fiber to some small village or rice farm outside Nagano or Sadoshima. |
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Richardson, TX | reply to ptrowski
hehe, it's not that bad. And I'm from the north too! (Maryland)
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Logan 5Enjoying the CataclysmPremium,MVM
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said by aztecnology:Well, you don't live in Verizon territory so you'll never see FIOS. You'll have to wait until AT&T rolls out lightspeed in the city, which they eventually will... and San Fran has at least 8 CO's that I'm aware of, probably more... Never said I live *IN* San Francisco, just that I lived in the San Francisco Bay area. SF has over 2,000,000 residents. My town has only 350,000 and yes....only 2 CO's.
Yea, I know that "Project Lightspeed" will cure all the ills of mankind but if SBC won't even give me better then basic aDSL service, I hold zero hope of ever being able to use their 'next gen' offering(s). |
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move
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Logan 5Enjoying the CataclysmPremium,MVM
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| said by Pathfinder:Who is being redlined? What areas are being redlined? Blasterbator may be refering to this: »Qwest Broadband, IPTV Redlining |
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said by Logan 5:What about those in rural areas or who are unable to otherwise take advantage of this??? Over the long run FIOS should facilitate delivering high speed Internet to rural areas. Current PON is spec'ed to 20 Km, GPON goes out to 60.
Once Verizon has wired up the more densely populated areas rural America should not be too far behind.
Most likely fiber will be a transforming event like other technology that dramatically improved performance or reduce cost.
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said by Logan 5:said by aztecnology:Well, you don't live in Verizon territory so you'll never see FIOS. You'll have to wait until AT&T rolls out lightspeed in the city, which they eventually will... and San Fran has at least 8 CO's that I'm aware of, probably more... Never said I live *IN* San Francisco, just that I lived in the San Francisco Bay area. SF has over 2,000,000 residents. My town has only 350,000 and yes....only 2 CO's. Yea, I know that "Project Lightspeed" will cure all the ills of mankind but if SBC won't even give me better then basic aDSL service, I hold zero hope of ever being able to use their 'next gen' offering(s). SBC/ATT has to make a decision. Waste money on expanding an outdated technology, knowing full well that they'll just tear it up 3 years down the road, or shift the focus to the new technology, and use that as the new base like ADSL was 8 years ago. If you want both, then your feels will be increased to pay for both, but in the end, even though lightspeed is probably a waste of money, it's better than building out more ADSL connections. Can you not get cable?
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