Re: What? in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r15073247 en Sun, 29 Nov 2009 06:32:54 EDT Sun, 29 Nov 2009 06:32:54 EDT Re: What? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15077353 Eek2121 : REGARDLESS of if it drives up the price, that makes no difference, prices have still come down. 2 years ago 1.5 mbit speeds were $60 or more, AND you needed phone service. With cable you need cable TV or you pay a premium. The absolute cheapest you can get a cable internet connection for through comcast for instance, is $60. 42.95 (plus tax) for the internet, $15.00 or cable TV OR 57.95 for internet (plus tax).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15077353 Wed, 21 Dec 2005 23:15:05 EDT Re: What? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15076843 psychomf : i think the connection here to telephone services that this person is making is the fact that you have to purchase a home phone line BEFORE you can sign up for DSL....that way the cost of the phone line factors into the cost for the broadband since you cant get it without that.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15076843 Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:55:28 EDT Re: What? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15074861 packetscan : First you start out talking about pricing on Verizon fios which is POTs independent.

Then you mention SBC dsl which requires a POTS line.
However you don't state the price. So your comparison is Flawed.

Then when JonR800 makes a valid comment that sbc doesn't count and you correct him by saying "We weren't discussing telephone service. We're talking about broadband price decreases"

I was surprised that you corrected him even though you still fail to see the Link between Fios and SBC and the Pots requirement that Drives up the price.

Frankly You need to stop correct people when you are not providing a valid or correct argument/statement.
Lastly i will ignore no one.
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said by packetscan See Profile :

WOW.

when you mentioned SBC that brought telephone into the picture.

Sadly in most areas Verizon doesn't compete against SBC.
What the hell are you talking about? This thread is about price decreases. Where did I ever say Verizon competes with SBC??? They don't compete in any areas as far as residental service goes. Man, your posts never make sense.

Oh, I thought you added me to your ignore list...Please do.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15074464 Wed, 21 Dec 2005 16:37:16 EDT Re: What? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15074380 Cod :
said by nasadude See Profile :

The telcos have rolled out "incentive" pricing, like 29.95 for first 3 months, then up to 39.95 or whatever. When you look at these rates over 2-3years there is very little saving over paying full rate for the whole time. And, the only reason the telcos are giving these temporary discounts is because they're getting scared of falling behind the cablecos. Just not scared enough to permanently lower prices.
If you look at the first post of mine with the three telco examples, they are not promotional rates but regular pricing. BellSouth has come down over 50% in price since introduced (from $69.99 to $32.95) and I'd estimate SBC somewhere in the same neighborhood percentage wise. FIOS hasn't been out long enough to see substantial price decreases but they have had some decreases on their 30mb/5mb product. I'd say this is a very large price decrease on the telco side of broadband as a whole.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15074380 Wed, 21 Dec 2005 16:28:30 EDT Re: What? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15074302 nasadude : I agree, what decreases in prices?

Comcast hasn't budged for me in 3-4 years, except when they started charging me the "non-bundling" fee. Used to be $45/mo, then they said "get CATV or your price will go up anyway", price went to $60/mo and there it has stayed.

The telcos have rolled out "incentive" pricing, like 29.95 for first 3 months, then up to 39.95 or whatever. When you look at these rates over 2-3years there is very little saving over paying full rate for the whole time. And, the only reason the telcos are giving these temporary discounts is because they're getting scared of falling behind the cablecos. Just not scared enough to permanently lower prices.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15074302 Wed, 21 Dec 2005 16:21:28 EDT Re: What? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15073773 cdru :
said by JonR800 See Profile :

SBC doesn't count, I'd be tied to phone service that I wouldn't use for another $20-$25/month.
The majority of homes still have some form of POTS service. While cellphone-only, VoIP, and/or cableco provided telco services are increasing in popularity, I think they are still in minority. Also don't forgot to treat the competion fairly as well. Many cablecos charge extra for HSI if you don't subscribe to cable as well. Same deal.

Even if you take that into account, Verizon's $15 plan plus basic POTS service is still about $15 cheaper in my neck of the woods then the cheapest Comcast offering (standard list prices are presumed for everything).

If you don't want to go the cheap route and FiOS is available, a 5/2 plan is available with no phone service for $35/month with a 1 year commitment.
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when you mentioned SBC that brought telephone into the picture.

Sadly in most areas Verizon doesn't compete against SBC.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15073620 Wed, 21 Dec 2005 15:13:03 EDT Re: What? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15073520 n2jtx :
said by Anonymous See Profile :

Dramatic decreases in prices?

Where?
Agreed. WTF? Decrease in price? Optimum Online is still $49.95/mo for me though I have to say they did upgrade my speeds recently to 15/2 from 10/1. Kind of like the cellphone companies; they will keep throwing in more minutes but they don't reduce the price. I can only talk so much or download so much.

Personally I would be willing to take 5/1 or 3/512K for $29.95/mo. I am hard pressed to use the extra speeds I am getting too many servers out there that do not have uploads capable of feeding a 15Mbit download.
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said by JonR800 See Profile :

SBC doesn't count, I'd be tied to phone service that I wouldn't use for another $20-$25/month.
We weren't discussing telephone service. We're talking about broadband price decreases which have steadily declined in the last 5-6 years, atleast in the Telco/DSL world. And I would attribute that decline directly to cable company competition. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15073247 Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:22:13 EDT Re: What? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15073230 Cod :
said by JonR800 See Profile :

One more thing. "back in 1998", which is where speed packages like 1.5/256 should stay.
Your way off base here and are comparing apples and oranges.

said by Anonymous See Profile :

Dramatic decreases in prices?

Where?
That was the initial question. I gave an answer in the example of 3 products that have decreased in price or are cheaper then would have been 5 years ago.

Argue all you want about speed packages, etc. Were talking about price decreases. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15073230 Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:19:09 EDT Re: What? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15073202 JonR800 : One more thing. "back in 1998", which is where speed packages like 1.5/256 should stay.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15073202 Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:13:22 EDT Re: What? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15073200 CyberTrip :
said by Cod See Profile :

said by Anonymous See Profile :

Dramatic decreases in prices?

Where?
How about Verizon Fios:
Up to 5 Mbps/2 Mbps $34.95 - $39.95
Up to 15 Mbps/2 Mbps $44.95 - $49.95

BellSouth's Ultra tier (1.5mb/256k) for $32.95/month when back in 1998 when it was initially rolled out at $69.99/month.

SBC Yahoo "DSL Express" for $16.99/month

Just a few examples....
What about cable internet? Prices aren't budging on that. Prices from what I've seen still average between $39.95 - $59.95 not counting multi-package discounts.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15073200 Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:13:06 EDT Re: What? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15073190 JonR800 : Ahh.. so by HERE you really mean.. NOT HERE.

SBC doesn't count, I'd be tied to phone service that I wouldn't use for another $20-$25/month.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15073190 Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:11:47 EDT Re: What? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15073168 Cod :
said by Anonymous See Profile :

Dramatic decreases in prices?

Where?
How about Verizon Fios:
Up to 5 Mbps/2 Mbps $34.95 - $39.95
Up to 15 Mbps/2 Mbps $44.95 - $49.95

BellSouth's Ultra tier (1.5mb/256k) for $32.95/month when back in 1998 when it was initially rolled out at $69.99/month.

SBC Yahoo "DSL Express" for $16.99/month

Just a few examples....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15073168 Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:07:09 EDT Re: What? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15073016 yzerman : I don't think he will ever get it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15073016 Wed, 21 Dec 2005 13:46:23 EDT What? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15072875 Anonymous : Dramatic decreases in prices?

Where?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15072875 Wed, 21 Dec 2005 13:27:07 EDT