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JoshNJ
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Re: Motorola Surfboard Hack Allows for Uncapping.

said by tired_runner:

Not unless you can continue on unbrick and uncap a modem that's never been registered with CV, and was purchased on eBay from someone out in West Bubblefuck Arkansas or whatever.
Which isn't possible, and even if it was they can track down where modems are connected from. Even unregistered ones.

Tzale
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Tzale

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said by JoshNJ:

said by tired_runner:

Not unless you can continue on unbrick and uncap a modem that's never been registered with CV, and was purchased on eBay from someone out in West Bubblefuck Arkansas or whatever.
Which isn't possible, and even if it was they can track down where modems are connected from. Even unregistered ones.
It used to be, but now if it isn't registered it just forwards you to the registration page.
tired_runner
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said by JoshNJ:

they can track down where modems are connected from. Even unregistered ones.
They can? Really?

Other than knowing which UBR is coming in from, how can they possibly trace it down?

JoshNJ
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JoshNJ

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said by tired_runner:

how can they possibly trace it down?
They can hook their equipment up at each connection on their lines and follow where the signal is coming from. Same as if someone hooked up an rf modulator and starting sending out signals back out the cable lines. It is a lot of work, but they can do it.

(btw they don't have to start the the ubr, they would start from the node, which would limit their range they have to look at down to around 500 homes or less, and depending on the area, that could easily narrow it down between 2 or 3 apartment buildings.)
tired_runner
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When you're talking The Bronx, this is not just two apartment buildings but more like five of them between a bunch of private houses.

Not to mention, a good portion of the Bronx comprises of utility poles running along the back of private houses, and to get there they'd need someone home to let them in.

My point being is not getting away with it, but rather them wanting to bother. In West Bubble Fuck Long Island it probably is cake. Here someone has to be home to let the tech in and take a look.

JoshNJ
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said by tired_runner:

When you're talking The Bronx, this is not just two apartment buildings but more like five of them between a bunch of private houses.
I don't know what that is supposed to mean. A single node only passes so many homes/apartments. It is not like they have to check 20 blocks, with a 500 home max passed per node, especially where there apartments, that narrows it down very quickly. Not to mention the more likely candidates for doing such things would probably not be paying for any cable modem service, cross existing ool customers off the list and it gets to be a very small amount of connections they need to check.
said by tired_runner:

Not to mention, a good portion of the Bronx comprises of utility poles running along the back of private houses, and to get there they'd need someone home to let them in.
I didn't know we were talking about the bronx, but that doesn't make a difference. CV can get access to their equipment on poles anytime they wish. They do it all the time everywhere. Homeowners cannot deny them access to poles in their backyards.
said by tired_runner:

Here someone has to be home to let the tech in and take a look.
They would either come back or hop the fence from one of the neighbors, you think if the line broke and nobody was home in that one house they would just walk away and say nevermind. Of course not.
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said by tired_runner:

When you're talking The Bronx, this is not just two apartment buildings but more like five of them between a bunch of private houses.
The location really makes no difference. The number of customer premises does (be it private homes or individual units in a multi-unit structure such as an apartment in a building).
Not to mention, a good portion of the Bronx comprises of utility poles running along the back of private houses, and to get there they'd need someone home to let them in.
The "utilities" with infrastructure on those poles has a legal right-of-way to enter private property to reach those poles. Nobody needs to be home to "let them in".

In fact, the poles themselves are most likely not on private property but rather on a right-of-way owned by the owner of the poles, even if it is only three feet wide.
My point being is not getting away with it, but rather them wanting to bother. In West Bubble Fuck Long Island it probably is cake. Here someone has to be home to let the tech in and take a look.
Theft-of-service is a major deal for MSOs (such as Cablevision). They don't take it likely and will go to extents to prevent theft, even if it is for a single individual. Unauthorized use of cable is a federal offense and the fines typically levied more than cover the MSO expenses in identifying the thieves.

MSOs could also block a "recurring" illegal modem at the node. Remember that the cable modem gets its "pool" (typically only one) of addresses for attached CPE devices (NICs) from the node. Similarly, the cable-modem itself has a unique MAC. Based on this there are multiple methods that may be used to prevent theft-of-service if it came down to it.
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said by Shady Bimmer:

The "utilities" with infrastructure on those poles has a legal right-of-way to enter private property to reach those poles. Nobody needs to be home to "let them in".
I understand that. Like I said, the layout of houses around here makes it physically impossible for them to gain access. No such thing as gaps between houses or buildings. I don't know how the poles were erected in the first place unless they were in place before the real estate was built.

Someone needs to be home to get to the poles, either at the residence where they seek to investigate or a neighboring one.

This is why in places like Long Island this isn't an issue. The poles either run along the back or along the side. All they'd need to do is walk around someone else's backyard.