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rgillis70
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reply to Cyron

Re: Once a tax...

Nope not adjusted.
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II

"It is estimated to have cost about 1 trillion US dollars in 1945 (adjusted for inflation; roughly 10.5 trillion in 2005, not including subsequent reconstruction."

Considering current costs include reconstruction it becomes very hard to compare.

rgillis70
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reply to Karl Bode
Though the estimates have went up - the overall cost is still small by comparison to total GDP.

»news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4201812.stm

"the relative cost of operations in Iraq, at 2% of America's annual GDP, was less than either the Vietnam conflict at 12% or World War II at 40%.

"Although the costs of war have grown... the American economy is exponentially larger than it was in the Vietnam War years," Mr Donnelly said.

"When it [the Iraq war] is compared to the overall size of the American economy, it's really a drop in the bucket, certainly by historical standards."



mikef1
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join:2004-10-28
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reply to pnh102

said by pnh102:

It's not lies:

»www.csmonitor.com/2006/0110/dailyUpdate.html
The report is still based on a few key assumptions (e.g. that our troops would remain till 2010 and such). These ssumptions are not guaranteed to be true.
Very correct, it is extremely hard to know what will be going on anywhere 4 years from now.
And for the guy quoting the costs of all the previous wars you are forgetting a few things.
We are STILL in Germany and I think still in Japan, that might have changed recently. The cost associated with keeping a presents there needs to be add to the WW2 cost.
Same goes for the Korea, a war that has NOT ended. How much more added to that $111 Billion does it cost the US to have kept the troops there for the past 53 years?
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smcallah

join:2004-08-05
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reply to n2jtx
Then why would the cellphone companies not give up collecting it if the IRS says to stop?

The cellphone companies aren't keeping the tax they collect.

Did you think they were profiting from it?



kamm

join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY

reply to pnh102

said by pnh102:

said by maartena:

(yeah, you Americans have no idea how CHEAP fuel is here)
You seem to be saying this as if its a bad thing. Is it wrong to want a cheap, stable, non-terrorist supporting source of fuel?
Umm, yes, it is wrong to want a not-so-cheap oil, supporting not only the crazy rich oil industry but totalitarian, supressive, medieval-age styled emirates and half-retarded princesses' dictatorships, especially licking their Arab @sses by our lunatic and/or corrupt Presidents and calling them friends of us.


pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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Mount Airy, MD

reply to Karl Bode

said by Karl Bode:

I'm not planning on deconstructing the work of nobel prize winning economists with my liberal arts degree
LOL if I could do successfully pop that nobel prize-winning analysis, I am sure you can as well.
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mykey2k

join:2001-11-19
Aurora, IL

reply to fAcEtIOUs

Re: Write your congresscritter

I did write my Senators. I'll include their responses here because it shows their stances...

said by IL Senator Durbin :

Thank you for contacting me about repealing the federal telephone excise
tax. I appreciate hearing from you.

The telephone tax, which was originally imposed to cover short-term
revenue needs, first appeared as a temporary tax to finance the
Spanish-American war. Telephone taxes have been continuously collected
since the Great Depression. The tax is assessed at a rate of three
percent on local and long-distance telephone services.

I have voted to repeal the telephone tax. However, such legislation has
not been passed by the full Senate. A repeal of this tax will ultimately
reduce the telephone bills of Illinoisans and reduce the cost of access to
the Internet. I will be sure to keep your views on this matter in mind in
case Congress debates changes to the tax code this year.

Thank you once again for contacting me. Please feel free to stay in
touch.

Sincerely,

Richard J. Durbin
United States Senator




said by IL Senator Obama :

Thank you for contacting me regarding the excise tax on long-distance
telephone service. You raise some important concerns, and I am glad you
wrote.

This tax, first imposed in 1898 because of the revenue needs of a military
conflict, is levied at a 3 percent rate and is a permanent part of our
revenue structure. For years the tax was set at 10 percent, but the Excise
Tax Reduction Act of 1965 reduce the tax to 3 percent, and provided for its
eventual elimination. However, the revenue requirements of the Vietnam War
prompted Congress to extend the tax. It has remained between 2 percent and
10 percent since that time.

There has been renewed interest in the telephone excise tax during the
current 109th Congress. New marketing practices and technologies have
blurred the line between which telecommunications activities are taxable
and which are not. For instance, in the case of VOIP (voice over internet
protocol) voice transmissions are sent in the form of packets of
information and are indistinguishable from text messages or e-mails which
are tax-exempt. Further, companies now offer "bundles" of service which
can include communication services which are subject to the excise tax and
other services (such as cable television, high speed internet access, and
text messaging) not subject to tax. These factors have caused consumers
and businesses to scrutinize the telephone service excise tax, and have led
to calls to repeal the tax.

Revenue from this excise tax goes directly into our government???s General
Revenues, which is used to fund an expansive range of federal services.
The case that continued imposition of the excise tax on long-distance
telephone service can no longer be justified is strong. However, with the
cost of the ongoing conflict in Iraq and predictions that the Federal price
tag of Hurricane Katrina could be as much as $200 billion, it may, as a
practical matter, be difficult to eliminate current sources of revenue at
this time.

I am not on the Senate Finance Committee which is considering this issue.
However, your views deserve a place in this debate, and I will keep them in
mind as the discussions on this matter continue. If strategies arise that
allow the government to reduce or eliminate the telephone service excise
tax without sacrificing services to those who need them most, I will
certainly keep your letter in mind.

Again, thank you for contacting me. I appreciate your comments, and I hope
you will share your views with me again in the future.

Sincerely,

Barack Obama
United States Senator
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old wolf

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Good job!

Any others?



kamm

join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY

reply to pnh102

Re: Once a tax...

said by pnh102:

The report is still based on a few key assumptions (e.g. that our troops would remain till 2010 and such). These assumptions are not guaranteed to be true. Furthermore, the article points out that Dr. Stiglitz is a vocal critic of the war in Iraq, so we cannot be sure that his analysis is completely unbiased. I'm not rejecting what the fellow writes simply because of this, but just as it would be hard for many opposed to the President to believe the President when he says we are making progress, its hard for most people to believe those who vocally oppose the President to believe research that magically appears to advance their own agendas.

I'd like to see if Dr. Stiglitz did any research into the costs of the Kosovo, Bosnia or Somalia conflicts. Heck, as we're still in Kosovo and Bosnia with no end in sight, it would probably stand to say that these conflicts will eventually cost us more than a "temporary" stay in Iraq.
Are you really this clueless? US never had any kind of large-scale operation neither in Kosovo nor Bosnia.

Stop this pathetic wishy-washy talk to downplay the Iraqi War, based on lies and its tragic outcome and astronomical costs.

FYI: exactly Rumsfeld is one of the war criminals. I know it'll take some time but he won't escape - he will be tried and sentenced, mark my word.


pnh102
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said by kamm:

Are you really this clueless? US never had any kind of large-scale operation neither in Kosovo nor Bosnia.
Um... what planet are you on? Were you really born yesterday? Because that would be the only explanation of why you could make such a stupid statement. The US has been involved in large scale operations in the Former Yugoslavia since at least 1995. It is our continued troop deployment in this region which helps to keep the peace.

There's this website, its called Google, and unless you're using Bell South as an ISP, I suggest you go and search for this conflict, and learn a little more about it.

Are we still at war with Eurasia too?
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Rove / Rumsfeld 2008!


pnh102
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reply to rgillis70

said by rgillis70:

Considering current costs include reconstruction it becomes very hard to compare.
It would only be fair then to add the inflation-adjusted costs of post WW2 programs like the Marshall Plan and other significant defense spending needed to keep the Soviets in check till the end of the Cold War as well.
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pnh102
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reply to mikef1

said by mikef1:

We are STILL in Germany and I think still in Japan, that might have changed recently.
We still have a base in Okinawa.

As for Germany, that reminded me of a monologue Jimmy Kimmel delivered to our troops at the Wiesbaden AFB: Why are we still here? Didn't we beat these guys?
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rgillis70
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Herndon, VA

reply to pnh102
Absolutely.

As I showed in the comparison quote - I think a better view is the percentage of GDP - which shows how cheap (comparatively) that the Iraq war has been.

I am not saying anything good or bad about the war itself, just that the 2% of GDP for Iraq is not very big compared to 12% for Vietnam or 40% for WW2.

People really need to look at the overall cost involved here, remember this article from Newsweek a couple years back:

"Washington announced that it would increase its defense budget by almost $50 billion, a sum greater than the total annual defense budget of Britain or Germany. ...the United States will spend as much next year on defense as the rest of the world put together (yes, all 191 countries). And it will do so devoting 4 percent of its GDP, a low level by postwar standards."



n2jtx

join:2001-01-13
Glen Head, NY
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reply to smcallah

said by smcallah:

Then why would the cellphone companies not give up collecting it if the IRS says to stop?

The cellphone companies aren't keeping the tax they collect.

Did you think they were profiting from it?
No I do not think they are keeping it or profiting from it. However, since customers are used to paying it already, it would not be a stretch for the cell phone companies to simply keep collecting an amount of money equivalent to the tax but pocket it instead.

Several years ago, the state of Connecticut cut its gas tax. For some strange reason (hah) in the days after the tax was lowered, the gas prices did not drop by the same amount per gallon. Turns out the gas stations kept the money as extra profit. How many people would really know that the price was supposed to drop?
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smcallah

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With gas, the tax is not listed as a separate line item in the price. So no one notices the tax is there.

On a cell phone bill, the taxes are all separate line items.

So in order for a cell phone company to keep collecting a tax that has been repealed, they would have to raise their rates, and not have a separate line item that said it was a tax, since it is not a tax.

So instead of a cell phone company saying you can buy their 1000 minute night and weekend plan for $39.99, they'd say it is now $42.73 on their ads? I don't think so.



n2jtx

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said by smcallah:

So instead of a cell phone company saying you can buy their 1000 minute night and weekend plan for $39.99, they'd say it is now $42.73 on their ads? I don't think so.
Of course not. It will still be $39.99* as it advertised now with the "*" covering all the additional charges as it does now.

If I were the cell company, I would simply add the new increase to "regulatory compliance fee" line item.
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