Hot. in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r15310859 en Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:38:42 EDT Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:38:42 EDT Re: Hot. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15324363 rf_engineer :
said by ctceo See Profile :

Baseless rants? It seems that BPL is finally rolling out is key areas, and gaining momentum. Not as much as it could be due to companies with smaller pockets having to fight against big lobby, but it's gaining none the less. If it were so disastrous to emergency communications, it's strange that I haven't heard a bad word from any law enforcement agencies that I've e-mailed about such interference in there areas.
Again, you pull this "I haven't heard anything from {insert public safety agency}", but you always fail to note whether the BPL system in question is actually operating in the spectrum the public agency uses. BPL doesn't use high band VHF and UHF frequencies that a lot of public safety uses. Emergency communications isn't just local public safety, it's also long distance HF communications.

The "big lobby" is on the BPL side, my friend. BPL has the UPLC/UTC, APPA, and the PLCA. Even the FCC could be added to this list. There's other consorsiums like HomePlug. All of these organizations (minus the FCC) are funded by their members who are power utilities with millions of customers and revenue in the billions. The so-called ARRL "big lobby" is funded by maybe 80,000 radio amateurs that go to work everyday and pay the rent each month just like you.

If this amateur radio "big lobby" is so powerful, where has it prevented BPL from rolling out? Also, why is it that a BPL system like Cinergy's in Cincinnati which hasn't had interference issues isn't impeded by the ham lobby who according to Comtek wants to deny businesses and families of BPL broadband?

The fact is any BPL company can roll out BPL anywhere they want today. All they need to do is get buy-in from a utility or municipality, release a press release, and do it. If interference becomes an issue and they can't fix it, release another press release portraying hams as the bad guys and say everything is fixed. Even with documented evidence of measurements showing maps, signal levels, and recorded interference emissions, bozos on BBR will still say there's no evidence and side with BPL companies. The general public can easily be misled into thinking BPL is a viable rural solution, or that it's better than cable or DSL because most people don't have a technical clue. Rest assured, BPL companies are not at a disadvantage in all of this.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15324363 Wed, 25 Jan 2006 08:39:41 EDT Re: Hot. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15323376 ctceo : Baseless rants? It seems that BPL is finally rolling out is key areas, and gaining momentum. Not as much as it could be due to companies with smaller pockets having to fight against big lobby, but it's gaining none the less. If it were so disastrous to emergency communications, it's strange that I haven't heard a bad word from any law enforcement agencies that I've e-mailed about such interference in there areas.
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The facts be damned, the proof be damned, an honest assessment be shunned- if BPL isn't universally accepted as the best thing in the world, its only because of some conspiracy against it.

(For those who have tried to offer ctceo credible information and are still waiting for his responses and proof of his MANY claims, I think I summed up ctceo's baseless rants pretty well, eh?)

Rob

said by ctceo See Profile :

After Many successful trials, and a few bad deployments, with a few premature cancellations. The technology is finally ready for the mainstream application.

IMO this expert is crumbling with pressure (or bribes) from agencies against it's deployment.

Essentially the agencies against it's deployment are trying to get the momentum to stop, by forcing a(n) (illegitimate) prophecy to come to fruition. Don't forget that there are more than just this person on the panel.
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15316484 Tue, 24 Jan 2006 09:55:48 EDT Re: Hot. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15316082 rf_engineer : Hot? It's tough to even classify BPL as lukewarm at the moment. After about nine years of development and four years of lobbying and extreme promotion in the US, BPL is in only 0.1% of the zip codes in the US. This figure counts both commercial deployments and trial systems, and most of the systems don't cover a majority or even a large portion of the zip code they are registered in.

A lot of the public is misled into thinking BPL is faster and better than DSL, cable, and even fiber and they have been told BPL can be deployed essentially anywhere there are power lines and that it is a viable rural solution. Despite this non-factual hype and a demand for broadband that is greater than ever in a society that considers Internet a necessity, BPL deployment is still back at the starting gate.

Note that the two paragraphs above don't even mention interference, presumably the "illegitimate prophecy" you allude to.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15316082 Tue, 24 Jan 2006 08:27:10 EDT Owned. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15313203 Vvian Kalyss : Some of those visionaries are high on the fumes blowing out of their rear ends. As gwion mentions above, BPL was always a middling solution at best. I don't see any successful trials resulting in deployments bringing broadband to those who don't already have access in the form of cable, dsl, fios, etc. I don't see them rushing to fill in the rural niches neglected by mainstream cable and dsl deployments, to those who are supposedly yet unserved and need it.

They want to bring a "choice" which is not even as competitive, economical, nor efficient as the existing ones already in place. BPL is and always has been a broadband bandwagon jumper. Not a good solution by any stretch of the imagination either, judging by FACTS like their track record and not fiction like their PR.

BPL = complex nonsolution to simple nonproblem.
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Really, under what criteria is something "premature cancelled"? The places it got cancelled were due to it being financially unsound.

Essentially the agencies against it's deployment are trying to get the momentum to stop, by forcing a(n) (illegitimate) prophecy to come to fruition. Don't forget that there are more than just this person on the panel.

What illegitimate prophecy is that?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15311329 Mon, 23 Jan 2006 16:47:40 EDT Hot. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15310859 ctceo : After Many successful trials, and a few bad deployments, with a few premature cancellations. The technology is finally ready for the mainstream application.

IMO this expert is crumbling with pressure (or bribes) from agencies against it's deployment.

Essentially the agencies against it's deployment are trying to get the momentum to stop, by forcing a(n) (illegitimate) prophecy to come to fruition. Don't forget that there are more than just this person on the panel.
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