nozzer
join:2004-06-25
Waltham, MA | Can we be clear on something here? As an RCN customer, I think its fair to point out why I think what RCN is doing is commendable. NOTHING is being down to throttle torrents being downloaded. Even the upstream. This is completely unlike the Rogers/Shaw debacle where many users are lucky to see even dialup speeds when they DOWNLOAD torrents. Unlike Comcast RCN do not send rude letters to high bandwidth users, and unlike OOL they don't massively throttle the whole connection of high upstream users.
ONLY seeds are being throttled, and ONLY when RCN is seeing peak numbers of upstream seeds on their network. RCN is trying to limit the effect on their customers of people who leave their P2P application on full share at peak times. Often these folks don't even realise these apps are still running - for those of us who need to seed for ratio purposes - use a client with a scheduler that limits the upstream bandwidth you are using at peak times so you aren't being greedy.
Also the poster suggests "ISP's shouldn't advertise speeds they can't support" - in this case RCN are trying to ensure the vast majority of us get these speeds when we really need them. Everyone of those in the minority know full well that their residential connection is using a shared resource. |
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Yea sure the company has the right to do what they want with their network, but we as the customer ALSO have the right to do WHAT WE WANT WITH OUR CONNECTION! That we pay for!
The question remains and as yet is still unanswered in this thread (rcnman), if everyone tomorrow decided to send massive amounts of say email traffic instead of "EVIL" p2p traffic, would the company be justified in throttling that traffic??
It is fairly clear, you are selling an 'X'mb upload connection so whether I use that for p2p, email, or whatever is completely irrelevant. If you the company can't handle that sort of traffic then you should charge for it to pay for the extra equipment necessary to sustan that traffic otherwise you invite someone else (read: competition) that CAN supply that sort of bandwidth to walk right in and take over your customers. |
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AJ023
join:2001-12-25
Forest Hills, NY | reply to nozzer
Interesting discussion but as this was going on all of you missed something even more important:
Gates of Microsoft AND Schmidt of Google and the CEO of Skype and CISCO all in the same room at the World Economic Forum online in video.
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Shared??? SHARED??? what the hell is "SHARED"?????
All this time I was convinced the connection was mine.. All mine!!
And I'm a Glom... you know what that is right??:D:D:D:D:D
So can I kindly ask that you all promptly disconnect any and all network connections so I can get the speeds that I believe I should be receiving(which is all of it)... without regard to what I am contracted to receive.... |
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 rcnmanJason NealisPremium,VIP
join:2003-05-02
Herndon, VA
kudos:10 | reply to Jamuka
said by Jamuka:The question remains and as yet is still unanswered in this thread (rcnman), if everyone tomorrow decided to send massive amounts of say email traffic instead of "EVIL" p2p traffic, would the company be justified in throttling that traffic?? I don't think we can compare email to p2p, The default behavior of Outlook / Mutt / Outlook Express (insert favorite email client here) isn't to start up on boot and continuously send out emails until you shut it down. The typical user knows when his system is sending out emails.
I would believe that a large part of the average consumers don't really understand that their P2P program is sharing their libraries continuously when running. The majority of P2P users want to get their content and don't focus on the fact that the program is also sharing that content. But again, that does make P2P attractive as there are many sources for distribution of your favorite content.
This doesn't apply to everyone obviously, as there are small groups of people who do care about seeding and sharing. And those we have to work with to find a solution that fits.
Again, this is a topic that people have a firm religion about and we understand that.
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 MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | reply to Jamuka
said by Jamuka:Yea sure the company has the right to do what they want with their network, but we as the customer ALSO have the right to do WHAT WE WANT WITH OUR CONNECTION! That we pay for! It's not your connection, you LEASE it, your provider OWNS it.
Therefore, you don't have the right to do what you want with it, but you DO have the right to take your business elsewhere. |
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torrents suck anyway. I never get anything quick. No matter what client I used.
I use newsgroups...Pay a little extra, but i dont have to worry about up/down ratio. I max out my down connection.
Torrents suck |
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You still didn't answer his question. You just danced around it for all to see. But you knew that. Good try anyway. |
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said by Jamuka:Yea sure the company has the right to do what they want with their network, but we as the customer ALSO have the right to do WHAT WE WANT WITH OUR CONNECTION! That we pay for! The question remains and as yet is still unanswered in this thread (rcnman), if everyone tomorrow decided to send massive amounts of say email traffic instead of "EVIL" p2p traffic, would the company be justified in throttling that traffic?? It is fairly clear, you are selling an 'X'mb upload connection so whether I use that for p2p, email, or whatever is completely irrelevant. If you the company can't handle that sort of traffic then you should charge for it to pay for the extra equipment necessary to sustan that traffic otherwise you invite someone else (read: competition) that CAN supply that sort of bandwidth to walk right in and take over your customers. There have been cases where ISPs have closed Customer's connections because of heavy outgoing email (spam virus, etc).
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Yeah and usenet has 1% of the content on torrents. Not to mention it is packaged like shit. |
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nozzer
join:2004-06-25
Waltham, MA | reply to AJ023
How is a wankfest of the worlds richest CEOs more important than my RCN connection?  |
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