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New Milford, CT | reply to SRFireside
Re: Neither Luxury nor Necessity Read this article, for a hint:
»charlottecapitalist.blogspot.com···lic.html | |
| We've been through this before. Remember? Not everyone can afford to pay for private schools. I'm not talking about home owners here. I'm talking about renters who hardly have enough money to put food on the table. That article does NOT provide a solution for every person. It only provides an alternative for those who can afford private schools.
You have to do MUCH better than that. You have to provide a means for the government to pay for public schools that is an alternative to property tax. Better budget management? Maybe, but that's not enough. Tax something else? That just means they money still comes out of your pocket in form or another. Show me a REAL alternative to property tax. That article nowhere near shows one. | |
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New Milford, CT | The simple fact is, no one has a RIGHT to steal from others just because they are poor.
Fewer people would be poor if we eliminated taxes. Business could afford to hire at much better wages. Jobs would be more plentiful if regulations were lifted. Families could afford private school if they weren't sending the cost of a new car to their town every year.
More people would afford homes if the taxation were removed.
There is NO excuse for armed robbery, under color of law, for the same of income distribution. This is Robin Hood, and government has no business being Robin Hood. Government has a Constitutional duty to protect the citizens from foreign enemies, adjudicate disputes between citizens and provide for the general peace on our soil.
America was never intended to be a welfare state.
I have shown some alternatives to tax over the past year. I mentioned lotteries, among other things. All methods need to be voluntary, so as to prevent the unchecked growth of pork barrel government. Because of the confiscatory nature of taxation, we have much more government than we want, and we cannot control it anymore. We have created a monster.
Teachers unions and the NEA have some of the most dictatorial power in the nation. Teachers get 7 times the percentage of salary increase as those who pay the taxes, per year. They are 60-80% of a town's budget. The education system run by government does not work. It is broken, by political correctness, squabbling over appearances and by the fact that it is used as a tool to indoctrinate our young with Facism, ensureing their rein of dictatorship is a long one.
We MUST bring down this system, before another generation is lost to Facism.
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| Reality check. ALL governments excise taxes from their citizens. This has been going on for thousands of years. You live in a country, you pay the taxes. If you want working roads, street lights, police and fire departments, an infrastructure to supply you water and electricity, a military to keep invaders away, a judicial system to punish criminals, waste management, you need to pay for it. These services don't grow on trees.
This is much more than just public schools, which by the way you seem to really have a hard time with the concept that this country ENCOURAGES giving all of its citizens the benefit of an education. Regardless of their social or financial status in this country. You seem to want to just do away with the educational system altogether just so you can keep your property taxes. Fine. Move to a country that doesn't require an education for every child. The poor stealing your money... indeed.
Apparently you never have been so poor that you have to do without electricity a few months, or eat just beans and bread for dinner, or stand in line at the labor hall (or worse on the street) hoping today you can get an honest day's work. In case it never occurred to you when you are below poverty level you essentially don't pay taxes. Do you see these people rolling in so much extra money that they take their kids to private schools? No. Why? Because the no-taxation brings more money argument is a farce in this instance. Now you want to take away one of the few rights the government gives that would actually give their children a better future?
What information do you have regarding teachers salaries sounding so good? I have a few friends who are teachers. NONE of them say you should go into teaching for the money. Most of the time the salary increases do not even match the inflation rate. Please cite where you get your information here. Fascism in the school system? You have been reading way too many articles and not spending enough time in actual schools.
Yes the government doesn't know how to manage their money and yes they need to get their act together. However by your assessment public education takes a lot of money and that money NEEDS TO COME FROM SOMEWHERE. Hate property taxes? One more time... I say give an alternative. You are complaining. Not proposing solutions. State lotteries don't provide nearly enough money. This is coming from somebody who lives in a lottery state.
A revenue stream needs to be established to pay for schools. There are still schools that are underfunded and understaffed. Maybe you haven't seen them in your nice neighborhoods, but there are plenty of poor communities who are begging for funds. So apparently the current system isn't even enough. So not only do you need to provide a solution to curb property taxes in the current state, but also it would be nice to see an alternative that would give more money to the schools that really, really need it. | |
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New Milford, CT | You continue to insist that children have some government-granted 'right' to an education. First of all, the government cannot grant 'rights'. A right is something that is an existant, by nature of human life. An individual has a right to his own life. Does he have a right to steal from another individual just because he is unable to provide for himself? No.
Governments cannot grant that which is inate to our existence. They can only violate rights.
I happen to live in the US. I don't need to move to another country. Let MY country live up to it's claims of freedom instead of lying about freedoms we don't have, or that are conditional upon our taxes being paid in full.
Government has few valid functions, and the roads would be built by industry, which is the only moral way to build roads, based on people being willing to build them.
The national defense and the military could all be privatized. In a rational society, this could be paid for with an insurance policy.
As for local revenue, if a govenrment is operating within reasonable parameters, a lottery revenue should be ample funding. If it is using more money than that, there is excessive waste.
I got the figures on teachers' salaries from my town's budget. They make over $61,000 to start here. And they're getting 13% raises this year, again. My wife got 2%, which is the company cap. I took a salary cut just to remain in business.
You do not know what I've endured. I have been dirt poor, living without toilets, running water or electricity at one point in my life. I also know what it's like to be homeless. That didn't change my attitude. I still don't think I am entitled to YOUR salary at the barrel of a gun.
The government has been needing to manage their money better for decades. It has failed consistently for the past 70 years, as the deficit has risen by exponential factors each decade. It will only end when civil war erupts. Until then, hang on for a rough ride.
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| said by 91439306:You continue to insist that children have some government-granted 'right' to an education. First of all, the government cannot grant 'rights'. The government grants a lot of rights. You get the right to free speech, freedom of religion, rights to be properly represented in a court of law, rights protecting you from unlawful search and seizures, right to keep and bear arms, the list goes on and on. The constitution and its adjoined amendments are all the proof you need on that. If you want to argue semantics regarding "the only right is life" you are just oversimplifying. I'm sure you will definitely appreciate all the other rights set into law when you need them.
So what you're essentially saying is damn the poor people and don't give them an opportunity for a better life. I'm glad you don't run the country. Our forefathers decided it was best to give every person in America an education. Where not talking about Ivy league here. Just the minimum education needed to function in society. The most selfish, asinine thing I heard is you concluding that taxes paying for schools is like people stealing from you. My wife and step daughter came from very poor means before we met. Currently my step daughter is taking advanced PAP courses in high school. If it weren't for the public school system she would be on the streets never knowing her true potential. I shudder to think the kind of life she would be living without an education. You want an entire country of kids on the streets with no education?
Do you know many countries have public school systems? This isn't some novel idea the U.S. is toying with. It's the standard for any country that wants to develop successfully. Take away the public school system and watch this country run to the ground faster than any current mismanagement you can find. An educated society means a smarter society. A smarter society does better with its resources than otherwise. Maybe you would prefer a feudal system where only noblemen who can afford it get an education and you keep reading and writing away from the serfs so you have cheap slave labor at your beck and call.
said by 91439306:I happen to live in the US. I don't need to move to another country. Let MY country live up to it's claims of freedom instead of lying about freedoms we don't have, or that are conditional upon our taxes being paid in full. Show me the claims that state the U.S.A. gives you freedom from taxes. Taxation without representation doesn't really apply here. You live in America. You play by the rules that have been set. Taxes are part of how the country works. Find me a country that doesn't tax.
said by 91439306:Government has few valid functions, and the roads would be built by industry, which is the only moral way to build roads, based on people being willing to build them. The national defense and the military could all be privatized. In a rational society, this could be paid for with an insurance policy. You gotta be kidding me. Corporations have shown to be MUCH more corrupt than the government. Executives tend to look at the bottom line and only want more money in their coffers, which means less service to their customers while at the same time pushing higher prices. Our roads would fall apart due to cutting costs on material and labor. Our military personnel would be trimmed down to meet investor's cost expectations. On top of that who do you think will pay the bill for all this industry? You will since you want the services. Do you like the costs of insurance lately? That's exactly the kind of situation you'll find privatizing everything. And I say again, find me a country that does what you say successfully and completely (roads, national security, emergency response, everything).
said by 91439306:As for local revenue, if a govenrment is operating within reasonable parameters, a lottery revenue should be ample funding. If it is using more money than that, there is excessive waste. Again. Show me proof this is across the board in some state. It's easy to say the government has mad money and is just spending it so wrong that we would have enough money for everything. However there is a lot to a state budget we don't know about and the savings from proper revenue handling simply might not be enough for all of it. Yes it can help a great deal, but since you have been arguing that there should be no government involvement this is really a moot point to discuss with you.
said by 91439306:I got the figures on teachers' salaries from my town's budget. They make over $61,000 to start here. And they're getting 13% raises this year, again. You said it. In YOUR town. I already stated the well-to-do communities don't have the same problems as poorer communities where that kind of salary just doesn't exist. In my town, which is a major metropolitan city by the way, teachers in HISD make between $32,000 and $40,000. That's not exactly raking in the dough. Of course there are much poorer school districts where teachers are getting $24,000-$27,000 (PISD, SHISD). Now we're talking about a serious deficiency in salary. If you have a problem with your local community's handling of public funds I suggest you talk to your local officials. Don't assume the rest of the country has the same issues as you.
said by 91439306:The government has been needing to manage their money better for decades. It has failed consistently for the past 70 years, as the deficit has risen by exponential factors each decade. It will only end when civil war erupts. Until then, hang on for a rough ride. Now that I agree. We don't need to do away with educational and social welfare programs. We need a better managed government to make sure money is going to the right causes. Better educational funding means lower property taxes, maybe even zero property taxes. Taking away government grants to industries that are already raking in money (like the $50 billion to the oil industry) will definitely bring back a lot of useful funds. Smarter management of how the government contracts out to private industry will take away the government "meal ticket" mentality that causes companies to overcharge. The current system can work. It just needs a major overhaul. | |
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