 Dominokat"Hi"Premium
join:2002-08-06
Boothbay, ME
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| Good bye to our rights With this administration, our rights to privacy and everything else will cease to exist, more and more. (Using the cloak of terrorist activity) Especially now that this Alito is now on the Supreme Court.
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 DaveDudeNo Fear
join:1999-09-01
New Jersey
kudos:1 | under Clinton, there was echelon, and a roaring silence. Plus if you read the consitution its clearly states they can..so whats your point ? |
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bmn? ? ?Premium,ExMod 2003-06
join:2001-03-15
hiatus | said by DaveDude:Plus if you read the consitution its clearly states they can.. Where in the Constitution does it say that the government can spy on its citizens without a warrant or checks? Anyone who would interpret the Constitution to give the government that power clearly is out of touch with what the framers were thinking.
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Too logical to be a conservative... Too practical to be a liberal... Too realistic to be a Libertarian. |
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The Government can do whatever it damn well pleases since it writes, as well as enforces, the laws. Who is going to stop them? You? Who is going to catch them? The FBI? The Homeland Security agency? Get real. They all work for the executive which is, naturally, not going to allow the grunts to investigate, let alone charge and try their bosses.
Why is it, do you think, thay you are not allowed to sue the Federal Government unless they LET you? They are the real power. As I said earlier: THEY can break the contract (laws)with YOU, but YOU had better not break the contract with them, pilgrim. If you do you will find that they will use ANY amount of power needed to make you bow and kiss their ring. And, no matter what, they will have a law that justifies their doing it. |
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hiatus | said by Fatal Vector:The Government can do whatever it damn well pleases since it writes, as well as enforces, the laws. Who is going to stop them? You? Who is going to catch them? The FBI? The Homeland Security agency? Get real. They all work for the executive which is, naturally, not going to allow the grunts to investigate, let alone charge and try their bosses. The Constitution says otherwise...
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State constitutions say otherwise also.
Power in America is distributed among may different individuals: federal, state, local and the people (voting, Second Amendment). The executive branch does not have that much power. Whenever a judge makes a ruling that President Bush dislikes, he cries, "liberal activist judge." The point is that judges make rulings that he does not like. President Bush is a conservative making a power-grab (with lots of success). We, the people, need to stop him. I know which box I marked on the ballot in 2004. If he had lost, I think he would have stepped down from power.
A drill instructor once said, "You're in the Army now: you're no longer covered by the Constitution." |
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WHO, pray tell is going to enforce the constitution? You? No, it's enforced by the federal courts, isn't it? That means they have to be caught first, or, have a case brought before the federal courts.
State constitutions are subject to being overruled by fedral courts if they are deemed by said courts to violate the federal constitution. Guess what? That means they mean diddly to the federal executive and we are back to my original statement, aren't we?
When was the last time you heard of ANY federal agent of ANY kind being arrested by local or state law enforcement and then prosecuted in state courts? It doesn't happen because federal law enforcement allway overrides the local/state jurisdictions and takes them into federal custody and prosecutes them in federal courts. Once they disappear into the maw of the feds, you likely never hear of them again, except by chance.
This is why the Federal Supreme Court overruled the Florida Supreme Court in 200 because their actions were unlawfull in the state of florida and the florida supreme court exceeded their authority.
The bottm line fact is that in america ALL the laws, local and state are subordinant to federal laws and rulings. While normally, the federal government will not interfere in state matters, the fact is that it CAN whenever it wants to. What? You thought the really rich and powerfull that actually run things would give the states any ability to bring them down? |
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