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Re: And this is suprising why? said by pnh102:No, the correct solution is to find another ISP that better caters to your needs. Why anyone would pay for service that doesn't suit their needs is totally beyond me. Problem here... When Verizon comes and cuts the copper to your home and says they won't put it back up, its a bit hard to chose someone like a local ISP or Speakeasy since Verizon is intent on keeping them from leasing their networks for as long as possible.
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Mount Airy, MD | said by bmn:Problem here... When Verizon comes and cuts the copper to your home and says they won't put it back up That's not Verizon's fault. If Verizon tells them this and they agree... well tough!
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hiatus | said by pnh102:said by bmn:Problem here... When Verizon comes and cuts the copper to your home and says they won't put it back up That's not Verizon's fault. If Verizon tells them this and they agree... well tough! Do you know of any instances where Verizon has allowed people to keep the copper running to their home when they have FIOS installed ? If Verizon says that they can't, then yes, it is Verizon's fault.
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 PathfinderDazed ConfusedPremium
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Mount Vernon, NY
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| said by bmn:said by pnh102:said by bmn:Problem here... When Verizon comes and cuts the copper to your home and says they won't put it back up That's not Verizon's fault. If Verizon tells them this and they agree... well tough! Do you know of any instances where Verizon has allowed people to keep the copper running to their home when they have FIOS installed ? If Verizon says that they can't, then yes, it is Verizon's fault. If you stop by the FIOS forum you would see that it is by no means a set policy. Some keep it and others don't.
Besides, it is Verizon's copper and to expect them to maintain 2 separate different plants to your house so you could decide which to use is ridiculous.
If they do leave the copper, customers should be told that NO maintenance will be performed and all service delivered over it is best effort.
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hiatus | said by Pathfinder:If you stop by the FIOS forum you would see that it is by no means a set policy. Some keep it and others don't. Besides, it is Verizon's copper and to expect them to maintain 2 separate different plants to your house so you could decide which to use is ridiculous. If they do leave the copper, customers should be told that NO maintenance will be performed and all service delivered over it is best effort. That's the thing... People who get FIOS are essentially locked into using Verizon at that point... So saying "Choose another provider" isn't really an option in some cases because once you have the fibre, you don't have another choice but Verizon.
And there is no expectation that Verizon would maintain that loop to the house. until it was activated again by the customer. Hell, Verizon would even be free to use it with another customer until the person asked to get it back. So its not that big of a deal for Verizon to leave the copper in place.
And hell, if a customer is willing to pay a little bit extra, Verizon should be willing to keep the copper to their home. But that would make too much sense.
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said by Pathfinder:Besides, it is Verizon's copper and to expect them to maintain 2 separate different plants to your house so you could decide which to use is ridiculous. If they do leave the copper, customers should be told that NO maintenance will be performed and all service delivered over it is best effort. Does that mean they will stop raking in USF fees?
Do you think that removing the uunet backbone from use by its existing subscribers is a fair business practice?
I am a customer of two former MCI resellers, Cyberonic and Digizip. We are currently being rudely dumped by MCI with almost no notice. Got a postcard Tuesday from Cyberonic re the switch to Covad, but with no definitive information. Got cut off without further notice today. Unable to contact Cyberonic because their phone lines are constantly busy due to their having done this to the majority of their MCI customers. My choice, as I understand it, is to remain a Cyberonic customer at a higher rate than new Cyberonic customers, and accept being forced to switch from month to month to a one year contract with high termination fees to remain a Cyberonic/Covad customer, or go elsewhere. In the meantime, I have no internet connection and the line won't be released until I can contact/cancel Cyberonic. I can't even try out the Covad service without the IP and subnet info that I can't get from Cyberonic due to their constantly busy phone. BTW, they do not return calls or e-mails anyway. On the otherhand, Verizon hasn't screwed Digizip yet, but it's coming.
DirecTV had a somewhat orderly demise by contrast.
Verizon DSL service isn't available in my area, neither is their Fios optical service.
Covads PPPOE, or PPPOA, is not equivalent to a true static IP.
I think the Telco's well documented callous disregard for their customers, and their effort to constrain competition begs for government regulation of the industry in order to guarantee these abuses cease.
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1 edit | said by ross:Does that mean they will stop raking in USF fees? Do you think that removing the uunet backbone from use by its existing subscribers is a fair business practice? USF fees as far as I know have nothing to do with the plant. And if they are tied to the copper and you don't have copper, then no fee.
As far as your other dilemna, if UUNET gave the reseller proper lead time and there are alternatives, then it should be no problem.
Sounds to me, after reading a long thread about it, that your problem is with Cyberonic, not UUNET.
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