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'That's right, we all pull over and give them preferential, QoS on our highways. We wait so they can get by unabated.'

It's also the law and it's unsafe to not slow down((edited to be made clear)). If you're on a 6 lane road and 4 lanes over a firetruck is coming from behind do you stop? No, of course not. The people who don't understand what Bell is doing remain steadfast to their initial gut feeling without actually looking at what is going on.

Another analogy with just as much merit as yours. Does Priority Mail slow down regular mail?

"Does Priority Mail slow down regular mail?"

Why, YES, it does, due to large batches of mail recieved in some towns, delivery of NON-Priority/Express mail was delayed, while priority mail continued to be delivered in a timely manner. In fact, the USPS even has their own WEB SITE listing places where the mail delivery is delayed! Why, just look at all destinating 701 ZIP Code. Only the priority mail is delivered, everything else is denied! And until very recently, all periodicals and bulk delivery to the 706 zip codes were SUSPENDED (regular traffic), but not Express Mail.

»www.usps.com/communications/news···ates.htm

Yet another corporate apologists who truly doesn't get it. There's a limited amount of resources available, and those who pay more get more. But the US mail is SUPPOSED to be unbiased, in fact, it's charter is written that way. The ONLY COMPANY that can deliver first class mail is the USPS. It's... gasp... a MONOPOLY. And it's run by the government, and it's STILL the cheapest way to send a package! Goodness Gracious! We can't afford to have that! Quick, Fedex, SUE the government cause the USPS is unfairly competing!

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Sure the internet has lots of porn and piracy, but I'm sure there's a downside to it.

'Why, just look at all destinating 701 ZIP Code. Only the priority mail is delivered, everything else is denied! And until very recently, all periodicals and bulk delivery to the 706 zip codes were SUSPENDED (regular traffic), but not Express Mail.'

Being near those areas, I can attest to the reason being that those areas are devoid of people right now. Mail service is completely shattered in the New Orleans area and they're lucky they're getting mail. Priority mail is only getting through for delivery because they don't have the ability to deliver mail in large volume. I doubt people are missing their "Penny Saver" coupons anyways... especially since they're not living in their house.

Express and priority indicates urgency. So it's either everyone wait months for mail or you let the timely but small portion of mail they're able to handle get through.

I bet you got a real good grasp of what Katrina did down here being from Schenectady and all.

"Priority mail is only getting through for delivery because they don't have the ability to deliver mail in large volume."

And that, of course, is the point. Those who pay more get through, while everyone else gets screwed. I mean, I paid my 2.00 to ship a package there, why doesn't mine get there, but the guy who paid 20.00 get through? Maybe the 2.00 to me represented 10% of my weekly income, while the 20.00 to you represented only 1% of yours. Does that make your package 'more important' than mine? The fact that I couldn't afford to spend more to send a package there make mine 'less important'? Who are you to apply YOUR value system to my package? Don't know about down there, but up here we call your kind of thinking 'racism'.
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Sure the internet has lots of porn and piracy, but I'm sure there's a downside to it.

'I mean, I paid my 2.00 to ship a package there, why doesn't mine get there, but the guy who paid 20.00 get through?'

Don't you get it? They don't have the capability to deliver your 2 dollar package. They'd lose money and everyone would suffer slow service because of the glut of wasteful deliveries. But the goal of communism is to make everyone miserable equally.

'Don't know about down there, but up here we call your kind of thinking 'racism'.'

Holy crap, you're insane. Now it's racism to treat brown envelopes differently from white envelopes? Heh, George Bush doesn't care about brown packages, as they say.

But WAIT..
According to the FIRST post in the thread, umm, "If you're on a 6 lane road and 4 lanes over a firetruck is coming from behind do you stop?"

So, which is it? You need to at least be consistent with your fabrications. I mean, either the firetruck DOESN'T cause anything to slow down when it's congested, or the firetruck DOES cause it to slow down when it's congested.

According to your analogy of course, it shouldn't slow down the regular traffic at all! But, that would make sense now, wouldn't it.. When things get congested (i.e. 4 of the lanes are 'too congested to move traffic', under YOUR proposed system, only the 'super special people who pay more' get through, while everyone else gets the shaft. But isn't that EXACTLY the opposite of what they (the telco's) promised at the hearings today? Why, yes, I do believe it to be so!

So there are only 2 possibilities.
#1: Your analogy is completely wrong and irrelevant.. OR..
#2: You are lying when you say it won't affect regular traffic.

In either case, the consumer looses. And YES, I would MUCH rather see everyone suffer equally, than have 2 classes of service. That would force the telco's to upgrade their network, or lower their guarantees, instead of making more lies. I may have a so called 'communistic' view about it, but it's far worse than the racists/fascist view you have of a world where the size of your wallet determines your value to society.
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Sure the internet has lots of porn and piracy, but I'm sure there's a downside to it.

Yes, the internet slows down because firetrucks flash their lights and blast their sirens. It's well known among the firefighter community.

reply to G_Poobah
G_Poobah "Don't know about down there, but up here we call your kind of thinking 'racism'."

I think you need to read a dictionary. That is not racism. Its called bias-ism or more correctly discrimination. Racism and discrimination are close in definitions, but racism references a persons ethnicity.

»www.m-w.com/dictionary/racism

»www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary

At any rate, what needs to happen is some sort of road map on how broadband is to be placed in our country. It does not need to be an absolute strict map, but something that has decent guidelines. The only way this will happen is if we get some un-biased representatives that haven't been bought. And that will only happen when we as a nation start to change the way we vote.

The longer we have huddled masses of idiots voting for crooks into office the longer we'll have to endure crap from the gov.'t. Now, don't take this to mean I'm anti-government as I am not. What I do want is massive reform in the way our representatives operate when it comes to big business. Once we've got some Dems back into office I think that will balance out. Normally this happens when Republicans get into office. They like take off the strings on big business for growth reasons, but such lovely gems like Verizon like to screw the American people over and that I don't agree with. Same goes for Adelphia & Sprint (my provider). I've got an immensely expensive phone bill due to my dsl connection. One that I think should be lowered by about around $20 bucks. I pay close to $99 a month. I mean getting it down to around $70.00 or so would be fair imo. I hardly use my home phone, but it is required in order to keep the DSL. One item I think should be changed.

The whole issue stems from the way all business has their model setup. We are moving into a completely new era of computerization and the models need to change. What the exact model should be I have no idea. I'm sure this is one reason it hasn't been changed yet, as others probably don't know either. But eventually Big Business will need to change its model. I see our society as a whole going through massive changes, mainly due to the way we are brought together by the internet and computers. Maybe I'm being too idealistic, but that I think 100 years from now this time in our history will be marked as an era of change.

Just my $0.02

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reply to G_Poobah
I agree that this is all a big lie. If a tiered system is implemented then the Bells will be able to get away with this. High congestion occurs - priority packets get through because someone paid extra for it - non-priority packets will time out or suffer from high latency because of all of the *priority* packets getting bandwidth. Now the Bells will insist that they don't need to expand the network or add bandwidth because all of the priority packets are reaching their destinations and everyone else is just SOL.

Its just like adding an IP phone system to a large netowrk. Even though the traffic may be segregated or prioritized, the rest of the network IS affected during peak calling times. I've been there and dealt with it.

If the tiered system passes, the consumer will get screwed along with companies that can't afford to pay the additional fees.

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DING DING DING WE HAVE A WINNER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

reply to bogey780
Last time I checked, Internet pipes whether they are a 56k modem or an OC-192 are one lane (by the traffic example).

There are not 4 lanes, there are not 6. There is only one. So any priority packet would halt other packets until it passes, period.

The only way to avoid that is too build a parallel network and sell end connections directly to content providers who pay the extra costs. Bell is not proposing this, they are proposing people pay more in order to get non-priority status.

One only has to spend five minutes reading about shortest hop routing, QoS routing, and TOS routing to see this Bell propaganda is not feasible.

In addition, things like VoIP are peer-to-peer connections, only using the VoIP providers network when connecting to the PSTN and briefly when setting up a VoIP-to-VoIP call. This is why no VoIP provider charges for VoIP-to-VoIP. End users are using their connections they paid for from their access provider.

Since VoIP-to-VoIP calls are peer-to-peer you can't have any kind of reliable QoS between them unless the other access provider also pays for QoS.

This is just Bell trying to keep the benefits of regulation (Interconnection fees) while removing the negatives (fair competition).
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