Re: WTF? in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r15425002 en Sat, 05 Dec 2009 07:26:49 EDT Sat, 05 Dec 2009 07:26:49 EDT Re: WTF? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15426379 KrK :
said by moonpuppy See Profile :

What they (the telco execs) are saying, is that they want to have their own toll road on the information superhighway. They want to "upgrade" their networks and have someone else pay for it. People can cry all they want about having a separate highway but this is all about who is going to pay for the upgrade.
Here's the problem. The customers already pay for it. The Telcos want to have their cake and eat it too. What they want to do is have a business where they own all the infrastructure, and keep all the profits, but never have to do any capital investment or take any risk or expense in building infrastruture!

They want someone else to pay for them to build this upgraded network, but they want to keep ownership of the network and control usage of it, and of course, keep all profits reaped from it.

In other words, they are saying "We refuse to upgrade OUR OWN EQUIPMENT AND SERVICE unless we can make third parties, competitors, tax-payers or space aliens pay for our upgrades for us-- and we'll make our customers keep paying us too."

It's RETARDED. It's like saying "Hey I'll buy a new house, but everyone else must make the payments for me."

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said by kapil See Profile :

What I don't get, and I mean REALLY don't get, is how these telco execs are confused about the fact that their customers are already paying them for the use of their network. But these are also the geniuses that think we're going to keep paying $50-$100 per month for dial tone...so nothing that comes out of the mouths of these fools surprises me anymore
What it really is isn't confusion on the part of the whining Baby Bells, but their effort to confuse policymakers.

Additionally, they want to create a payment stream that continues whether or not they lose individual customers.

At the same time, this "under the table kickback" from the content providers enables the Bells to keep their costs to end users artificially low, thereby depriving cheaper broadband technologies (especially small wireless providers) of the cost advantages they would otherwise enjoy.

calvoiper
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said by moonpuppy See Profile :

said by kapil See Profile :

What I don't get, and I mean REALLY don't get, is how these telco execs are confused about the fact that their customers are already paying them for the use of their network.
What they (the telco execs) are saying, is that they want to have their own toll road on the information superhighway. They want to "upgrade" their networks and have someone else pay for it. People can cry all they want about having a separate highway but this is all about who is going to pay for the upgrade. Soon, the older network will be retired in favor of better methods of delivery and there will not be 2 "physical" tiers.

We will all suffer in the end for this. No more 3rd party choices since the telcos do not want competition. The ONLY way for this system to be beaten is for EVERYONE to come together and tell ATT, Verizon, and everyone else that we (content providers) will not pay and let the consumers know what is going on.
I agree, this is ridiculous idea.

We HAVE to protest, to show them the exit if they want to push further this outrageous, greedy shit.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15422404 Tue, 07 Feb 2006 12:00:24 EDT Re: WTF? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15422342 TelecomJunky :
said by kapil See Profile :

What I don't get, and I mean REALLY don't get, is how these telco execs are confused about the fact that their customers are already paying them for the use of their network. But these are also the geniuses that think we're going to keep paying $50-$100 per month for dial tone...so nothing that comes out of the mouths of these fools surprises me anymore
That's just it, they don't think you will continue to pay that much for dial tone. So they are doing what they have always done and that's insure they get a chunk of every competing services' revenue through access tariffs.
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said by kapil See Profile :

What I don't get, and I mean REALLY don't get, is how these telco execs are confused about the fact that their customers are already paying them for the use of their network.
What they (the telco execs) are saying, is that they want to have their own toll road on the information superhighway. They want to "upgrade" their networks and have someone else pay for it. People can cry all they want about having a separate highway but this is all about who is going to pay for the upgrade. Soon, the older network will be retired in favor of better methods of delivery and there will not be 2 "physical" tiers.

We will all suffer in the end for this. No more 3rd party choices since the telcos do not want competition. The ONLY way for this system to be beaten is for EVERYONE to come together and tell ATT, Verizon, and everyone else that we (content providers) will not pay and let the consumers know what is going on. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15421429 Tue, 07 Feb 2006 09:33:03 EDT WTF? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15421350 kapil : What I don't get, and I mean REALLY don't get, is how these telco execs are confused about the fact that their customers are already paying them for the use of their network. But these are also the geniuses that think we're going to keep paying $50-$100 per month for dial tone...so nothing that comes out of the mouths of these fools surprises me anymore]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15421350 Tue, 07 Feb 2006 09:18:51 EDT