 CableToolPoorly Representing MYSELF.Premium
join:2004-11-12 | Low Uploads = Bandwidth control Low uploads are pretty much the only thing keeping people from becoming a server.... |
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 kba4
join:2001-10-23
Canton, OH
 ·RoadRunner Cable
 ·AT&T U-Verse
| i got news for you, we're all operating servers. the scale is all you're specifying and why shouldn't i be allowed to UL fast if the technology exists and i'm willing to pay? i want more than 1Mbps up though or it's not worth it.
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illegal wars, prisoners with no trials, and state controlled media. welcome to the land of the free! |
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RadioDoc58ef2c0Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11 | reply to CableTool
said by CableTool:Low uploads are pretty much the only thing keeping people from becoming a server.... Well then, how about building the network so it doesn't unravel when people do run servers? SBC (for instance) doesn't seem to have any problem with that--it's even in the TOS that servers are permitted. How 'come cable is so scared of them?
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What do you mean we all are? I'm not running a server. |
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kba4
join:2001-10-23
Canton, OH Reviews:
·RoadRunner Cable
·AT&T U-Verse
| did you post here or not? you do send email with attachments right? ok maybe not mail but you've uploaded something in the past month right? the point is upload=server, download=servee. the future most definitely holds a bounty of media across trusted machines. we'll be swapping more than simple 3MB mp3's... home videos, real CD .wav audio, digital pics for example. on a petty 512 connection this stuff can take hours.
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illegal wars, prisoners with no trials, and state controlled media. welcome to the land of the free! |
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 ArchAngel21xWaiting For iPhone 5Premium
join:2001-10-28
Lincoln, NE
 ·Internet Nebraska
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From what I understand, it is a combination of limitations with the current DOCSIS and the fact that cable is a shared medium. There is a fear that people will try to max their upload potential 24/7 if we are allowed to use it any way we want.
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RadioDoc58ef2c0Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11 | Precisely. But you'll never get any of them to admit that it's the real reason. They just keep on making excuses and blaming this design defect on their customers.
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TomaTO ToMAto.
Just posting here does not make a server. A server 'serves' as in web pages for people connecting to your 'server'
Sending mail and uploading stuff is just that - uploading.
Not really a server. |
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kba4
join:2001-10-23
Canton, OH Reviews:
·RoadRunner Cable
·AT&T U-Verse
| it's serving with a middleman- the 'legal server' between. i agree, it's not a warez ftp box but your PC is still serving files to another remote location, and utilizing most if not all your UL capacity.
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illegal wars, prisoners with no trials, and state controlled media. welcome to the land of the free! |
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 japPremium
join:2003-08-10
038xx | You're fabricating meaning. A 'server' is a program or device designed to accept connections initiated by others for the purpose of supplying the requester with data of some sort. Technically, BitTorrent and several other p2p apps are functioning as servers. Other common residential traffic - mail, ftp puts, web-posts, etc. - are all client-based because they are initiating the request. The fact that requests for service involves upstream traffic means nothing.
It's the restaurant model: the customer (client) dictates what transactions occur and when. The server may refuse certain items, may set fixed terms of transaction, may kick you out of the restaurant, but never gets to decide what the client eats. One is in the proactive role (client), the other a reactive role (server). |
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kba4
join:2001-10-23
Canton, OH Reviews:
·RoadRunner Cable
·AT&T U-Verse
| point taken. but the original point here is that we need more UL, not DL. i don't know what it is with US ISP's but most all of them just don't get it- all the consumer technology i've described (music, photos, movies) is pretty much useless with poor upstream to share it with others.
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illegal wars, prisoners with no trials, and state controlled media. welcome to the land of the free! |
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 DeeCPremium
join:2000-09-01
the world
kudos:1 | reply to RadioDoc
said by RadioDoc:said by CableTool:Low uploads are pretty much the only thing keeping people from becoming a server.... Well then, how about building the network so it doesn't unravel when people do run servers? SBC (for instance) doesn't seem to have any problem with that--it's even in the TOS that servers are permitted. How 'come cable is so scared of them? Well said  |
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 CheesePremium
join:2003-10-26
Naples, FL
kudos:1 | reply to kba4
said by kba4:point taken. but the original point here is that we need more UL, not DL. i don't know what it is with US ISP's but most all of them just don't get it- all the consumer technology i've described (music, photos, movies) is pretty much useless with poor upstream to share it with others. And if it's warez, it's illegal to begin with. Most specifically, movie and music. Yes, people upload home made movies, but really, how often? No where near the amount of pirated material. And how big are photos the average human sends? Not very big. While fast uploads would be great, the only thing I really do is upload files to a game server, some of the files are big, not to big as to take hours to upload. |
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kba4
join:2001-10-23
Canton, OH Reviews:
·RoadRunner Cable
·AT&T U-Verse
| old thread time...lol
so should i take it you fall into the camp that agrees if you have nothing to hide, let the NSA (odd how that sounds like 'nazi' when spoken as a word heh) tap your conversations, etc.?
my point from the beginning is this: if we had higher UL, we'd send more movies and pics (legitimate and pirated, who cares if you're willing to be held accountable). the low capacity if our 'broadband' UL does inspire better compression algorithms, however, and i suppose that is one positive outcome of it all. but in the end i'd rather listen to full CD-quality 1440Kbps audio from the CD than a 320Kbps mp3 if i have the right to do so and our current broadband offerings in non-FIOS communities simply do not allow this reality.
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CheesePremium
join:2003-10-26
Naples, FL
kudos:1 | said by kba4:old thread time...lol so should i take it you fall into the camp that agrees if you have nothing to hide, let the NSA (odd how that sounds like 'nazi' when spoken as a word heh) tap your conversations, etc.? my point from the beginning is this: if we had higher UL, we'd send more movies and pics (legitimate and pirated, who cares if you're willing to be held accountable). the low capacity if our 'broadband' UL does inspire better compression algorithms, however, and i suppose that is one positive outcome of it all. but in the end i'd rather listen to full CD-quality 1440Kbps audio from the CD than a 320Kbps mp3 if i have the right to do so and our current broadband offerings in non-FIOS communities simply do not allow this reality. No, I don't fall into that camp, I used to download and so forth, I don't anymore. It's not worth the hassle. And as far as the government spying, I am totally against that, if they feel they have something, they should have to get a search warranty just like anyone else. If they can prove it, great, if not, GTFO. |
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