Qwest: 10-15Mbps 'Plenty for Foreseeable Future' > if that's plenty...

reply to superht1

Re: if that's plenty...

Is it 5/.8 for half the price? I want to drop BS 6.0/512 over 3.0/896 any days of the week for a lot less pay say 29.99 or less. The .512 upload is barely enough for 6.0, more like 4.0 even when I'm not uploading anything. More of a marketing gimmicks then a practical use for high download speed, low upload.

reply to Pete_64
Newsgroups are my thing. A paid for Usenet provider can fill even a 20Mbit pipe all day long. I've been going the opposite way as you and upgrading my connection the very moment my provider dishes out a bit more (soon to be 8meg).

reply to superht1
Try being on 5/384 then you will know the horror. Who cares if x country surpasses us in broadband. There is a point at this time where the bandwidth is just wasted. Sure we all want bigger pipes, but it is a small minority. The rest will just continue to web surf only. What we need are upload improvements because people really like to exchange digital media like pictures these days. I am so sick and tired of hearing how we are falling behind. It isn't that we are falling behind it is just that we don't have big enough pipes to do alot of the things we want to do. I could care less if Japan's broadband is 1000 times faster. Give me 30/5 and I will be happy for a few years. 100/100 would be awesome, but I don't even know what I would do with all that bandwidth at that point. At least not in the present. Everyone also always forgets that Japan's broadband means nothing if the only place they can get those awesome speeds are to Japanese servers. I don't know about the rest of you, but most of the servers that matter to me are in the U.S. so Japan's gigabit pipes mean nothing.

reply to grandpinaple
I completly agree, we have large enough download pipes, GIVE US MORE UPLOAD, doesn't have to be a huge upload, just more than 896kb/sec would be better. If verizon was here with their ftth service I would switch to that and be happy. 5Mb/sec upload is plenty (for now). I do send a lot of large files, and the more upload the better, not to mention I run my own server. I've even looked into Qwests business side for more upload, but it isn't there. I'm willing to pay more if someone will provide it, but they don't care enough for my money....

I know its not economical to run lots of cable out to 1 customer, but I think that they should do something about it.

Can't wait for DOCSIS 3.0 and see what kind of speeds they offer with Comcast. If they have more than 2Mb/sec upload on any plan I will switch in a heartbeat.

reply to grandpinaple

reply to fiberguy
How do you figure Broadband has not been around for five years? I have had it for 8 years with 1.5mb on up. I could careless what Qwest does the company is one the worst ones in the nation. They don't service the customer and cant get your bill straight. I speak from experience. When then ATT Broadband launch digital phone in Minnesota I signed up the first day. I took the opportunity to ditch Qwest. That was the last time I have had Qwest. When I moved I found a different local phone company. Qwest is so bad that when I built my townhouse I had to wait 4 weeks to get a phone line because Qwest didn't pull lines to my house. Qwest failed to go to any of the planning meetings which Charter and Xcel did. Qwest had to give out free cell phones because of the big screw up. I passed because the cell service is horrible. They just launch 1.5mb DSL in my area in the last 9 months. I wish someone like Verizon of AT&T would buy portion of the network. Unfortunately I live in a state owned by Qworst. So them saying in 10-15mbps means nothing to me. Because most will not see it.

reply to fiberguy
It seems like you have nothing of value to add to the discussion and are just being a tard. I have no idea wtf you are talking about with this drama queen BS, broadband has been around since the 90's it is already 2006 so there goes your five years theory. I am so sick and tired of you idiots that go be happy with that your not stuck on dial up it is that kind of backwards thinking that is keeping this country from progressing. You can go ahead and live with 384 upload. As for me I think we deserve the speeds that we paid for with subsidies that you claim will bankrupt the industry. If they go bankrupt too bad that's capitalism get rid of all the retarded franchising laws and you will have yourselves new competition in days. Bottom line is they could give you 1Mbit upload now they just don't want to.

reply to Big Dawg 23
You don't read very well, do you? Sadly, I agree and have experienced many of the same things you did from qwest - but at the same time, you have gone on to expose just how much you really don't know.

1) I didn't say it has only been around for 5 years.. there were other words. Broadband didn't spark and take off in ernest until about the 2000/2001 period. There were still MANY homes that were on dial up or simply not availablet o broadband. Now, it's pretty much typical to see people with broadband in their homes.

2) Qwest does not own the majority of MN - what does make them big is that they have a good portion of the twin cities. Frontier and SPrint have a very large portion of the metro as well and then outside the state, Qwest is still not the major provider. I read somewhere recently how much territory Qwest serves and they were not the majority. They may be where you live though and yes, they suck.

3) You are right, they cant get their billing correct and they are one of the worse for having held orders for service. I was there when I moved from Eden Prairie to the Brooklyns area. It took them 2 months to get plant to my premise and when they did, they never 'did' the install. They were, however, nice to leave a drop for 100' on my yeard for a year before I burried it myself. US West was just as good so I can't say 100% that it was Qwest alone.

4) Qwest just started recently (in terms of broadband time) launching faster DSL speeds - but I got news for you, so are all the other telcos out there. Can't single Qwest out for that.

5) Waiting 4 weeks to get a phone line in your area in not uncommon. If your area is new, sometimes the builder tends to release a home to a buyer earlier or ahead of schedule. I've seen this happen many times as it will also be the case with Cable as well. Sorry to hear you were without, but the fact remains that there is a symbiotic relationship between the builder and the utilities and it's not always the fault of the utility.

6) If someone from Verizon or AT&T bought up your area how would things improve? You think SBC/AT&T or Verizon are saints? You don't think that they don't have issues as well? Verizon, in many areas, charges much more for their service than others. They are even WAY off the board as far as their own prices. Their unlimited freedom plan has a spread of $30.00+ across it's own foot print. Yes, tarrifs have some to do with that but it's usually not a spread that large. Greed maybe?

Again, thogh I agree with much of what you say, there is still much of it which is the 'customer perception' and without more understanding, much of this is not 100% accurate.

reply to grandpinaple
My post made perfect sense, and you too can't read. Broadband hasn't been a MAJOR player except for about 5 years, idiot. Just because you had it didn't mean that MOST or MUC of the nation did and it doens't mean that it was popular. It wasn't about the last 5 years that the players made a push to get people to migrate over to braodband. Even when it WAS available to people, many people stayed on dial up for price alone. You can't advance a network when people aren't adopting it.

There was a major study performed in 2002 that showed that less than half the nation cared to embrace broadband even though it was available to them.

For the record, I enjoy my 1MB up DSL, thank you and my 768 upload on my cable modem as well. Thanks and keep paying your taxes as if they have anything to do with that here. Broadband is not a regulated utility - get your facts straight.

As for 'getting the speeds you deserve for what you pay' - you are! You are paying for 384,. you are getting it. YOU may think you are SUPPOSED to get more upload, but where on your price plan does it say that? get real.

The reason *I* am not stuck on dial up? I don't live in areas where barod band is not being served. *I* made choices in life that are important to me. Unless you are outside a major city (and even then that's not always the case) you have broadband. There are VERY FEW places where a major population area isn't served. Where is it stated that everyone is guaranteed broadband? Sounds like you have 384 upload - so does most of the nation so I fail to see your point how you are being ripped off or not getting what you deserve.

You obviously are emotional in your post and not thinking logically or you have not taken any economics cources in school so there is no arguing with you.

Providing broadband speeds is not a service without a cost attached to it. It's been stated on this site over and over and over again. It's not as simple as flipping a switch in a head end and it's not about just even having hard line equipment - there are also many other players involved in providing speed and traffic on the internet. Many of the POPS out there have to upgrade as well and that equipment isn't cheap either. So, if you don't think that deployment deicions cna't bankrupt a company? Read the news bud - many have died trying to git your model of what you deserve.

So give me a break, sit down, shut up, and be patient! Our way of life in this country takes time. Things don't happen over night. The consumer plays a major role in the economic structure of our country - it's not just big business. Most consumers don't care about upload - tard. They care about monthly cost and can they get their web page and email to load relatively quick. Since most of the nation feels that way, ofr broadband proividers to do more than they are now is a farse and they know it. The other alternative is to upload as the technology comes cheap so they can meet the demand of the consumer. If the consumer will buy, they will delploy. I like our economic model in the US, sounds like you don't - and that's fine. Enjoy standing in line, like they did in the Soviet Union, for all your services and handouts. At least I know what you do for a living - your occupation is 'to be angy' like many other unreasonable people do.

So tell me, when you get 1MB upload speeds, like many people in the Qwest and Comcast territory have, then what? You going to be back here bitchin' that you "deserve 2MB?" When does it end?

For the record too, I had 384/384 from PacBell in 1997 - for a cost of $85.00 a month and I was damn happy to pay that over dial up. Now that the masses have moved over to these technologies, people are suddenly realizing that they don't want to pay these prices - and that's fine and good as well. But because of this, I no longer have descent technical support, I don't have as good of service as I used to and everything else that I had when I was willing to pay the price - so thank you for that. You guys should be thanking us, the pioneers that took the plunge into $85.00 broadband services becuase it was people like me and us that were willing to pay the price that allowed them to deploy more services to the rest - not taxes!

Grow up!

Thank you for paying more then necessary for a luxury that is as useless as watching television??? You got ripped off. You got money to burn good for ya but the majority are on budget, low income family don't need to pay excessive amount just to have broadband connection that are still dinosaur compared to some 3rd world country.