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MxxCon

join:1999-11-19
Brooklyn, NY

So WTF am *I* paying for?

if those greedy bustards will demand money from content providers to have access to their network, WHERE DO MY $50/MONTH GO?
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if I'm starting a new website and i want my users to have NORMAL access to my website, I'll have to CONTACT EVERY SINGLE ISP IN THE WORLD and negotiate deals with them?
how much is it going to cost me?
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if I'm a NPO running a website/service, it's impossible for me to pay for NORMAL network access, am i supposed to charge my users to recoup those costs?
so in the end consumer will endup PAYING TWICE FOR THE SAME INTERNET.

GRR!! this drives me beyond mad!
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amungus
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join:2004-11-26
America
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I've wondered this too.

I've got a band site. So what if there isn't much content, a few songs, a few pictures. What, am I supposed to ask EVERYBODY to pay up another 'access' or 'quality' fee just so some random fan out in nowhereville can look/listen? Should that same nowhereville person get more 'quality' from google, which displays mostly text, instead of just wanting to listen to a song or two?

I'm really confused by this.

What the heck did I just pay for hosting for?
Where does that monthly bill go for my isp?

Answer: To connect people. Straight up. If I want to host video's, I'd probably have to get a dedicated server, and pay more, and more for more bandwidth. This would be for the fans, not me, but guess what, I (yes I, Me, Myself) would PAY FOR THAT!
Those fans also pay for their link to the WORLD wide Web.

I fail to see where this imaginary "QUALITY" comes into play ANYWHERE!

If they're so bent that they just spent a load of money on fancy new routers/fibers/what the heck ever, TOO BAD! Just raise rates by $.25 for everyone and be done with it! Explain that it's to cover upgrades, and people will understand.

Why did they "upgrade" to begin with? To provide FASTER more RELIABLE, QUALITY, HIGH SPEED INTERNET! Otherwise, yeah, we'd all be stuck on dial up I guess.
Really, would ANY competent network engineer like to explain this one clearly to an average user? To an average owner of a website? To any company that hosts websites? To anyone besides greedy telco's???

This is getting really tired.



Michieru2
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join:2005-01-28
Miami, FL

reply to MxxCon
Well what you expect really from someone who has there head up there ass?

The internet will soon become like phone plans.

1. It does not cost anything to send data through your own private network. So if a bellsouth customer wanted to send a file to another bellsouth customer and the route is all down through bellsouth's systems then consider it like a local call.

2. It does cost to send data from one provider to another without the bounds of your network. So if a bellsouth customer wanted to send data to a verizon customer it would be like a domestic call.

3. It costs money to send data from one provider to another provider across the ocean because more equipment/cabling/satellites need to be used.
So it would be like a international call.

Now if they plan to do it on a hourly or data bases is up to them. But frankly I think they would prefer the data base option because that way they can limit how much data a broadband user can use.

There priority is not you or the content but there profit. The only problem is that without content the internet is just a bunch of apache servers saying index.html cannot be found. So in return fighting with content providers is going to hurt your profits. But now they want to roll out IPTV and other such services. They want to not just dominate the telecommunication industry but the content industry as well. They want complete dominance so you are forced into just one option, and wether you like it or not that's there decision and one person simply crying out won't do you any good. If Directv plans to make there own wimax network that would be a threat to them.

You really don't need to use the telco's to route data when you can do it wirelessly and with a satellite communications that Directv has therefore bypassing the land lines.

When you look at it close the only thing they do is allow the bridge from point A to point B and access to this huge network called the internet.

The problem is that most of us are scared of monopolies because they eventually become greedy bastards beyond belief.

But that's how the ball rolls. I too prefer competition but once the telco's are broken again or actually go bankrupt (I can dream can't I?) who will be the person to stop the successor? (Directv)

Directv provides content and now wants to provide delivery.
Telco's provide delivery and now wants to provide content.

Each want there own type of setup
Both don't agree.

Conclusion = Battle against each other.

So basically they want to create a private network for I dunno maybe content delivery and instead of saying "we gonna increase your bill because we wanna build our own network" they just put it up as a "Qos tariff" so instead of you yelling at them you are yelling at the government for the ridiculous tariff.



Jason Levine
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join:2001-07-13
USA

reply to amungus

said by amungus:

I fail to see where this imaginary "QUALITY" comes into play ANYWHERE!
Just think of it this way:

"Dat's a nice website youse got dere. Would be a shame if something happened to slow it down."

Now you're getting close to the teleco's plan. They ignore the fact that Yahoo, Google, your band site, etc all pay for their pipe access. Instead they start by assuming that you're somehow getting online for free. After all, you're not paying them. They don't care if you're paying someone else. You "need" to be paying them or else you're just using their network for free.

Of course, it could be argued that the teleco's need the content providers or else their shiny new networks are useless. ("You'll have 10mbps access, but can't access any websites. Care to sign up?") So perhaps Yahoo, Google, and your band site should charge the telecos for accessing the respective web site content without paying for the privilege?
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moonpuppy

join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD

DING DING DING!!!! WE HAVE A WINNER!!!!!!!!

Nothing but simple extortion.

My guess is their TOS will STILL read that there is no guarantee but we will try harder if you pay more.


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