Re: Its more expensive than that..... in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r15497050 en Sun, 06 Dec 2009 13:24:56 EDT Sun, 06 Dec 2009 13:24:56 EDT Re: Its more expensive than that..... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15503581 91439306 : The wife and I switched from Nextel to Boost Mobile. Our monthly cost dropped from $96 to $14. One need only put in $20 every 3 months, per phone, to keep the numbers active. Same coverage, better phone. We're happy.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15503581 Sat, 18 Feb 2006 00:59:06 EDT Re: Its more expensive than that..... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15501074 voyager6868 : Couldn't you get some kind of pre-paid cell phone that would cover you for emergencies, or don't they have that kind of thing where you live? Here I can get a cell phone, just for emergencies for $10/month and it gives me about 40 minutes/month.

And the odds of both VOIP and cell phone going down at the same time are quite remote I think, assuming you have reliable providers.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15501074 Fri, 17 Feb 2006 18:35:00 EDT Re: Its more expensive than that..... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15498925 en102 : My cell phone costs the same no matter if I pick AT&T or Comcast.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15498925 Fri, 17 Feb 2006 13:35:56 EDT Re: Its more expensive than that..... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15497050 N3OGH : Wow, I'm paying about $12/mo + fake taxes for just dial tone and an unpublished number (no caller ID, no LD service, etc).

$45/mo is more than I pay for my cell phone.....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15497050 Fri, 17 Feb 2006 08:33:01 EDT Re: Its more expensive than that..... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15495781 anon : Ah, you forgot to add your cell phone cost? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15495781 Fri, 17 Feb 2006 00:59:31 EDT Re: Its more expensive than that..... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15495068 LooseCannon :
said by Heterman See Profile :

said by wifi4milez See Profile :

I knew it wouldn't take long for this to be brought up. Who would have thought so soon though? Anyhow, $44.61 is what I pay for landline and 1.5/384 DSL service monthly. This price could probably be reduced by going with measured service. I understand people in different places pay different prices, but the blanket statement that DSL is more expensive because you have to have a landline is just false. Period.
damn you guys pay alot over on the east cost. I pay 17 for a landline with 3 cents a minute long distance and 15 after taxes on AT&T DSL. My bill is usually around 35-40 a month.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15495068 Thu, 16 Feb 2006 22:38:32 EDT Re: Its more expensive than that..... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15493634 vinnie97 : SBC with all the frills (unlimited long distance, caller ID + 2 other features) with DSL Express came to $67 last month. I upgraded to Pro for $3 more, so it looks like my bill be the equivalent of his with a better service plan. The Earthlink VoIP plus 8Mbit offer (available in a few metro areas) for $70 looks pretty sweet, comparatively speaking.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15493634 Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:40:48 EDT Re: Its more expensive than that..... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15493401 91439306 : Oh, that's a tier we don't have here.
There is Expert Plus, which is the same speed, but with 5 static IPs.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15493401 Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:09:04 EDT Re: Its more expensive than that..... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15492328 RadioDoc : It's the $44.95 "grandfathered mistake" dynamic deal from late 2003. They've got it available again for $49.99 though. I have it at the office and at home, and it's sweet.

And yes, my local POTS bill before usage is ~$17 including all the ups and extras:
said by my latest bill :

Monthly Service - Jan 28 thru Feb 27 
  
Line Charge          9.00    
Federal Access Charge          4.50    
Total Monthly Service         13.50    
                                                                         
Local Calls 
  
Direct Dialed Calls 
0-8 Miles 
     22    Call(s) at Day Rate           .66    
     34    Call(s) at 10% Evening Discount Applied           .68    
     71    Call(s) at 40% Night/Wknd Discount Applied          1.42    
Total for Direct Dialed Calls          2.76    
                                                                         
Day Rate:   Mon-Fri, 9am-11am, 2pm-8pm 
Evening Rate:   Mon-Fri, 8am-9am, 11am-2pm, 8pm-9pm - 10% Discount 
Night/Wknd Rate:   9pm-8am, Sat/Sun/Holidays - 40% Discount 
                                                                         
    127    Call(s) made this month averaged $.0212 per call 
Volume Discount Savings applied to calls made this month           .06 CR 
Total Local Calls          2.70    
                                                                         
Surcharges and Other Fees 
  
9-1-1 Emergency System                  
Billed for Western Springs          1.00    
State Infrastructure Maintenance Fee           .08    
State Additional Charges           .01    
Infrastructure Maintenance Credit           .79 CR 
Federal Universal Service Fee           .45    
IL Universal Service Fee           .05    
IL Telecom Relay Svc and Eqp           .08    
Total Surcharges and Other Fees           .88    
                                                                         
Taxes 
  
Federal at 3%           .48    
Illinois at 7%          1.11    
Municipal Telecommunications Tax           .95    
Total Taxes          2.54    
                                                                           
Total Plans and Services         19.62

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said by TelecomJunky See Profile :

In that $17 price are you including all the taxes and fees? Because the fees alone on a local line here are in the range of $10-15.
It's just about $17 in my neck of the woods as well including taxes...so for my DSL plus phone I'm paying a total of $50. Usually my phone bill ends up at about $60 with my long distance calls to Europe.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15492307 Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:53:14 EDT What package is this? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15492245 JoeSchmoe007 : I am not sure what OP is talking about. My total Verizon landline phone bill in Brooklyn is $32-35/month, this includes call waiting and I do use this line for regular local calls too. 3.0 Mbit DSL adds another $32.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15492245 Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:45:04 EDT Re: Its more expensive than that..... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15491889 91439306 :
said by RadioDoc See Profile :

For the record: Landline ($17 including fees, taxes and Big Ed's Slush Fund) + 6016/608 DSL ($45) still beats the crap out of what Comcast charges for comparable cable modem service in these parts, and my rate has not changed in over two years.
THat must be the Expert Plus package, which, around CT is $79/mo. You're getting a great deal. Is that with 5 static IPs?
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Lets compare both Cable and Telco where I live...

Cable (Comcr@p)
Basic TV $50.45 or Digital $60.40 (+ taxes and franchise fees)
Cable Internet: $42.95 + cablemodem rental $3 (+taxes and franchise fees)
Comcast Digital Voice service is not yet available at the address you entered
Vonage = $24.95

= $130 + taxes/fees

DSL/Telco/Satellite
Telephone Service (incl long distance + local + packages + taxes and fees)
$48/month
Satellilte: DirecTv w/3 sets: $52.16 including taxes/fees
DSL Extreme: 3Mbps/512kbps $32.16/month including all fees

= $132.32 including all the fees/taxes !!!

I'd pay at least another $10/month for franchise fees and taxes to Commiecast.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15491395 Thu, 16 Feb 2006 14:48:55 EDT Re: Its more expensive than that..... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15491362 kamm :
said by wifi4milez See Profile :

said by voyager6868 See Profile :

You pay $45/month just for a dial tone and still have to pay 10 cents per minute for Local calls??? That's just crazy.

Why don't you get VOIP? I have zipglobal and it's 2 cents a minute for anywhere in US/Canada and $3/month. It's gone out like once in the past year.
Trust me I have VoIP! I use Broadvoice as my primary phone and it never runs me more than $20. The landline is just there for emergencies.
LAMO... you're the favourite type of the telcos... :D
Seriously, nobody in NYC would do the same - this is the place where you can choose between 3-4 DSL package, at least one cable but in many areas two and countless of VoIP...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15491362 Thu, 16 Feb 2006 14:44:51 EDT Re: Its more expensive than that..... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15491224 TelecomJunky : First, I never said cable was free from monopolistic tactics. Far from it.

However, much like elections on the federal level, we must choose the lesser of too evils. And quite honestly, the Bells have been defrauding consumers and blackmailing government far longer than cable has.

$17 for a local phone line? I wish I lived where you did. Here the cheapest line you can get runs around $25-30 depending on which part of the state line you are on and forget about LD or other bells and whistles like call waiting and caller ID.

In that $17 price are you including all the taxes and fees? Because the fees alone on a local line here are in the range of $10-15.
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For the record: Landline ($17 including fees, taxes and Big Ed's Slush Fund) + 6016/608 DSL ($45) still beats the crap out of what Comcast charges for comparable cable modem service in these parts, and my rate has not changed in over two years.
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said by wifi4milez See Profile :

said by maverick215 See Profile :

said by wifi4milez See Profile :

Dont forget to add the cost of the landline also. I have the cheapest package Verizon offers and the phone bill is $45 per month. Add any DSL package and I would be paying almost $70. DSL? FORGET IT, GET CABLE!!!!
maybe if you weren't buying a 'package' try a local exchange plan. usually about 1/8th the price of your 'package'
That is incorrect. I literally have dial tone ONLY. 10 cents per minute for LOCAL, plus a varying LD rate. The worst part is that I only have this landline as a backup in case the power goes out (or 911 is needed), it has never once even had a call placed on it.
I would say it is quite correct. like I said 'usually'; on another note I find your situation absurd, hmmm... now that I think about it, isn't the phone company required to maintain 911 ability on every line, 'current' or not? atleast that is what a phone company in my state told me, when I worked for them.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15490588 Thu, 16 Feb 2006 12:59:38 EDT Re: Its more expensive than that..... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15490567 tscoccol : I think he's including the cost of DSL. I have a similar bare-bones line which costs under $7 a month.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15490567 Thu, 16 Feb 2006 12:57:05 EDT Re: Its more expensive than that..... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15490249 Toadman : I am in the same boat as you are with Verizon. My Cable Modem plus Voicepulse is less expensive than $40 for a landline with caller id/ voicemail and 29.99 for DSL.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15490249 Thu, 16 Feb 2006 12:11:20 EDT Re: Its more expensive than that..... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15490175 wifi4milez :
said by Dezbend See Profile :
I am just pointing out that independent research of local options is necessary before coming to a decision.
I concur with your statement. :)
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said by voyager6868 See Profile :

You pay $45/month just for a dial tone and still have to pay 10 cents per minute for Local calls??? That's just crazy.

Why don't you get VOIP? I have zipglobal and it's 2 cents a minute for anywhere in US/Canada and $3/month. It's gone out like once in the past year.
Trust me I have VoIP! I use Broadvoice as my primary phone and it never runs me more than $20. The landline is just there for emergencies.
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said by Dezbend See Profile :

As with most of the cable versus DSL debates; this must be looked at at the local level - making sweeping claims about which is better/cheaper is narrow.
I cant speak for every market, however there is a strong reason I mention it particular to my situation. Here in NYC, you cant get basic phone service for less than around $40. In this same market however, the difference in price for cable internet with TV versus without is only around $10 (or less). So in my case (and the millions who live around here), there is truly no comparison between cable and DSL.
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said by voyager6868 See Profile :

You pay $45/month just for a dial tone and still have to pay 10 cents per minute for Local calls??? That's just crazy.
That's local service in NYC for you!
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said by wifi4milez See Profile :

Dont forget to add the cost of the landline also. I have the cheapest package Verizon offers and the phone bill is $45 per month. Add any DSL package and I would be paying almost $70. DSL? FORGET IT, GET CABLE!!!!
I knew it wouldn't take long for this to be brought up. Who would have thought so soon though? Anyhow, $44.61 is what I pay for landline and 1.5/384 DSL service monthly. This price could probably be reduced by going with measured service. I understand people in different places pay different prices, but the blanket statement that DSL is more expensive because you have to have a landline is just false. Period.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15490044 Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:45:59 EDT Re: Its more expensive than that..... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15490027 voyager6868 : You pay $45/month just for a dial tone and still have to pay 10 cents per minute for Local calls??? That's just crazy.

Why don't you get VOIP? I have zipglobal and it's 2 cents a minute for anywhere in US/Canada and $3/month. It's gone out like once in the past year.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15490027 Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:43:29 EDT Re: Its more expensive than that..... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15490015 Eek2121 : Then $45 isn't a bad deal, Comcast charges $60/mo for cable internet without TV.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15490015 Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:41:25 EDT Re: Its more expensive than that..... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15489984 wifi4milez :
said by maverick215 See Profile :

said by wifi4milez See Profile :

Dont forget to add the cost of the landline also. I have the cheapest package Verizon offers and the phone bill is $45 per month. Add any DSL package and I would be paying almost $70. DSL? FORGET IT, GET CABLE!!!!
maybe if you weren't buying a 'package' try a local exchange plan. usually about 1/8th the price of your 'package'
That is incorrect. I literally have dial tone ONLY. 10 cents per minute for LOCAL, plus a varying LD rate. The worst part is that I only have this landline as a backup in case the power goes out (or 911 is needed), it has never once even had a call placed on it.
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I live in QWest territory, who offers naked DSL - sure to get the best rate I need a bundle of services with QWest, but the same is true of the cable (charter) in my area.

So the landline cost argument does not apply to me.
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said by wifi4milez See Profile :

Dont forget to add the cost of the landline also. I have the cheapest package Verizon offers and the phone bill is $45 per month. Add any DSL package and I would be paying almost $70. DSL? FORGET IT, GET CABLE!!!!
maybe if you weren't buying a 'package' try a local exchange plan. usually about 1/8th the price of your 'package']]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15489834 Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:20:14 EDT Its more expensive than that..... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15489791 wifi4milez : Dont forget to add the cost of the landline also. I have the cheapest package Verizon offers and the phone bill is $45 per month. Add any DSL package and I would be paying almost $70. DSL? FORGET IT, GET CABLE!!!!
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